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Walls help, or the Vatican wouldnt have one.

You answered your own question.

For me it's a very simple concept. How would you feel if the clean cut neighbor kid just decided to move into your house uninvited? Even if he mows the grass and washes your dishes? Now he also wants you to pay his medical bills and feed him. After all, he just wants to better himself.

How many hundreds of US citizens, including boys and girls, have been raped or killed by these good, hard working family folks, much less tens of thousands burgled or robbed.

Their criminality is staggering. 312,000 booked into jail means probably there were 3-4 times that many crimes committed against Texans from June 2011 to Jan 2020. How many billions did this cost Texans? How much suffering and misery?

https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm

Quak,
for the same reason you have a lock on your door. So you can control who dies and dies not come into your house. Otherwise it’s just a house full of squatters

"The Wall", as a concept and as a structure, will be a monument; nothing more and nothing less. It will add to the already out-of control debt while accomplishing nothing. The population of Mexico will continue to increase and spill over into the US because nobody was able to see the problem coming eighty or even fifty years ago. The wall is the equivalent of all those heads on Easter Island; a monument which is impressive but ineffectual. GD

A nation without borders isn't a nation. We have the right to decide who enters our country. Just since Trump started cracking down (as far as the courts have allowed) wages for Americans in the lower strata have risen, unemployment is effectively zero.

Illegal immigrants swamp our healthcare system, our schools, and our justice system. Diseases once eradicated here like TB
have re-appeared. Real Americans are being murdered, raped, killed and crippled by drunk illegal alien drivers. It just goes on and on. Besides the human cost, the cost to taxpayers is in the billions. All this has been common knowledge for years. Have you been living under a rock, or are you really a troll, because I can't see how anyone could be unaware of this.

I worked with contractors from all over the world. Hard workers, nice guys as far as I could tell. Still don't want to pay for their healthcare or to educate their children, or have them living 20 to a house in my neighborhood. I'm married to a legal immigrant who jumped through all the hoops, paid a big price, and waited a long time to get here. Never took a dime in government aid and worked two low-end jobs even though she's college educated. Why should we take in a bunch of third-worlders with different values, who knows what diseases, and no respect for our laws, just because they manage to make it across our border?

perfect post...….even though its been along time since I lived in az...…..you could see what was coming down the pike even then...…

and I was born and raised there...….bob

you obviously miss the point of having a border and laws and a regulated immigration system.

or you are a troll looking for some ignorant posts that you can link to in some liberal forum you belong to that shows how ignorant gun owning, white christian republican males are.

From this morning's Albuquerque Journal:

About 30 miles of the Trump administration’s wall on the Mexican border has been completed in southern New Mexico, according to a Customs and Border Protection official.

And 36 more miles of the project through Doña Ana and Luna counties is expected to be completed in the coming months, CBP spokesman Roger Maier told the Journal.

All 66 miles of the 18- to 30-foot tall bollard wall are replacing vehicle barriers and other barriers that were already in place.

But that will not be the case with another 90 miles of wall in the state in the pre-construction phase.

“It’s actually a combination of both – in place of existing, and in locations where no barriers currently exist,” Maier said of the future construction.

It’s all part of the Trump administration’s plan to build 753 miles of border wall to replace existing barriers or be placed in areas where there are no barriers. The administration expects construction to cost $15 billion and plans to have 291 miles of new primary wall and 57 miles of new secondary wall in areas where no barriers currently exist. It also plans 380 miles of new primary wall and 25 miles of new secondary wall where barriers are dilapidated and outdated.

According to a CBP-U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Report last week, 126 miles of wall has been completed, but only a mile of primary wall and one mile of secondary wall in an area where no barriers existed.

The construction and the diversion of Department of Defense funds for the projects have been under fire from Democratic lawmakers, immigration advocates and environmental groups and has been the subject of lawsuits, including two challenging the diversion of $3.6 billion in Defense Department funds meant for military projects. The money included $125 million for projects in New Mexico. Department of Homeland Security funding is also being used for the construction.

But Maier said funding for wall projects in the state and currently underway did not come from the $3.6 billion diversion. A 20-mile bollard wall system extending from the Santa Teresa port of entry west is among the 30 miles completed, as is almost 10 miles of the 46-mile project extending west past Columbus. He said the 46-mile project is being funded by fiscal 2019 Defense Department counternarcotics funding.

SLSCO Ltd., a Texas company, is working on the 46-mile project. It was awarded a $789 million contract by the Army Corps of Engineers in Albuquerque.

But a 36-mile segment of the 90-mile project will be funded from the $3.6 billion diversion. The other 54 miles will be funded by fiscal 2020 Defense Department counternarcotics funds.

According to U.S. Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott, 213 miles of wall is now under construction, with 414 miles under pre-construction.

A million unvettet possible caronavirus carriers.

#1 Who is punching the ballot for these idiots?

#2 Why is the American Communist party so damned determined to prevent any slowing of the flow of illegal aliens across our southern border?

#3 Why does the American Communist party fight voter ID laws whenever they come up?

Hint: The answers are connected.

This^^^^ and to top it off the leftist welcome it as it equates to a Democrap voter!

The wall is already working according to the BP. Limiting how they get is only sensible. Regulating who comes and stays is called immigration. All the rich folks have walls. Ed k

The 1986 Amnesty law that Reagan signed included a border fence and more stringent provisions to the immigration laws. It was supposed to stop the invasion that had become more virulent with each year that passed. Congress was supposed to stop the migration and manage it. Even before that during the Eisenhower administration all immigration was shut down for 27 years in order to let those here assimilate into our culture. All that has changed.

Late in the Obama administration Kerry visited Guatemala and shortly thereafter the invasion began. Huge caravans of illegals from not just Mexico but from South America began making their way across Mexico and walking into our country unchallenged overwhelming our border patrol and disobeying our laws. Obama welcomed it and helped all he could. The democrats view it as their path to control via the voting booth. Thousands of Americans have been raped, murdered and abused by these criminal elements coming along in the crowd. These caravans were paid for and managed by leftist groups intent on overthrowing our government. La Raza has a huge network assisting them in getting welfare benefits and avoiding capture by ICE. The Cartels make huge amounts of money trafficking drugs and humans across the border and will kill anyone that gets in their way.

This has become a death struggle for our country to keep our identity and culture. I invite you to come to any border state with Mexico and look for yourself. You can go to just about any grocery chain in Texas and in no time witness the abuse of our food stamp programs especially by non English speaking people. Our laws have changed over time helped by La Raza and we spend billions teaching school to kids in their native language and all our paperwork by law must be printed in Spanish. It is a huge drain on our already overburdened economy and must be stopped.

Make no mistake about it we are being invaded.

Caveat. Read no other responses.

You are wrong about them being good. Controlled immigration brought the good. Illegal brought the bad. I worked around them every day for 17 years. All they are doing is bringing their way of 3rd world life to us. They didn't come here to become better. They came for the money. Most of them. Make them go through the process and you'll get the good ones again though.

What they might give positive is well outweighed by the negative and the COST...

Do it legally like our ancestors did. Control the numbers. Don't give anything away free, you have to work for it all.

Open borders. Nope, another liberal pipe dream to constantly be in my wallet without my permission.

That saddest thing about this whole thread, and the thought process behind it, is that people are damned stupid/ignorant to know who the enemy really is.


These wonderful wetbacks only looking to better themselves are joining forces with the commies that are already here to take over our country and make it a globalist, totalitarian country without borders.

It seems that the men and women actually protecting the border disagree with you.

The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/

"They're all just good, hard-working Christians".....except they break the law to do it. They are blatant hypocrites from a Christian perspective. Every Christian pastor in the country should be calling them out on their disregard of the commands of Scripture.

The wall is just a piece of the answer to illegal immigration but the first before the other pieces become effectual.

These people didn't come here in one day and the solution won't happen in one day. It's percentage. Just because the wall won't stop 100% of the illegal crossings doesn't mean it isn't worth it or a solution... liberals and even alleged conservatives on this site have said... you can't stop all illegals, you can't remove all illegals... no chit, so let's just do nothing while the problem escalates.

Estimates of up to 300 billion per year is the cost of illegal immigration to the american tax payer... let's say that number is 200 billion.

The first year the wall is finished 20% of crossers don't because the wall is a physical and psychological barrier they don't want to attempt. That's 40 billion a year, The percentage will creep up over the years until 50% don't cross over, 60%, 75%.

Illegals commit crimes 5 to 1 compared to citizens, use those same numbers to figure reduced crime.

Once the wall is built then start roundups in country... you can't deport 20 million people... no chit... but aggressive roundups will cause the rats to flee, if there's no safe sanctuary they will self deport... all of them? no but percentages, same as above.

If someone said we could reduce illegal immigration and it's effects by 40% in 10 years we would gladly take that and consider it a win.

We are on the right track thanks to Trump.

Kent