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I'm sure the title will get a lot of attention.  I asked this months ago but I'm hoping there might be new information. Anybody heard any date for the release of a production run yet?
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I haven't yet but will try and see what i can find out.
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I'm waiting for a reply as well. I want one of these rifles in a bad way. Can't wait 'til they hit the stores.
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I'll have the first one I can get my hands on! Good luck.
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i heard they should get here about the same time they arrive (lol) im just messin,i too would love to have one.should be a great varmint round..... ok ok i;ll stop
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There really doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info out there. I know some of it is because Ruger is a public company. (N: RGR)
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Talked with my source in Newport this morn.
Situation is unchanged since early May: to wit, they have made a pile of 450/400s, they are waiting to be fired for proof and function, still no ammo from Hornady.
NB; No rifle will leave the plant without proof and function fire.
The answer to our question "When will the 450/400s be out?" is in the hands of the production folks in Grand Island.
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Thanks SavutiOneShot So, I guess the next topic should be 'when will hornady have ammo?' Thanks again for posting; seems to be very few who know what the timeline is. Glad you have a source there.
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Forgot to mention above: If you want to order one, tell your dealer to get you product code # 11324.
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thanks, again. 
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If you are ging to call Hornady for ammo availability ask for Doug Derner @ 1-800-338-3220.
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Great, I might just do that! Thanks.
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Too late I guess. Same info I found out regarding the proof ammo. Not that I have ANY need for such a chambering but... have to wait and see.
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Fine line between want and need sometimes!
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I'm just trying to actually figure out how to post an image. The above post is the buttstock on my #1 .458 Lott.
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I can't get it resized!!! 
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I'm getting better!! The above is the same #1 .458 lott with a .416 Rigby from the first year of production. The Rigby actually has better wood that the pic shows.
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Was informed today that they have started to ship!
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Thanks. Good to know! I can't wait to get mine.
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Now for the long wait for them to come to Australia!
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Did a search in rifles on Gunbroker the other day. It came up with several hits on the #1, mostly from some guy in PA.
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Having seen some video clips of this being shot in a #1 I'm curious as to what you buyer are gonna use this combo for? It's surely a bit too much for most any game in North America and not exactly a plinking round. Are that many of you heading to the Dark Continant?
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Here in Australia I will be using mine on pigs, goats, Kangaroos and Water Buffalo. The 450/400 might be considered a bit large or heavy for a lot of game but I enjoy shooting heavy rifles and the game mostly stays down when hit right.
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I have used a double in the 3 1/4" version in Africa.
I want the No 1 to take next time as I love the round and want the versatility of a scope. I am loathe to start drilling holes in a beautiful 100 yr old double.
By reproducing the original nitro for black express load you have a honey of a deer rifle (250 gr 41 mag Cast Perf FN, 40-45 gr H4198 for 1800-2000 fps).
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Let us not forget the "Gun-Nut" issue. The need for a particular target doesn't come into play. I want one just because!!! Plus, it's just a really cool old round to have around. Not every Joe is going bring a 450/400 to the deer camp. That's a real conversation starter.
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Yahoo, I just bought one off gunbroker.com.
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Having seen some video clips of this being shot in a #1 I'm curious as to what you buyer are gonna use this combo for? It's surely a bit too much for most any game in North America and not exactly a plinking round. Are that many of you heading to the Dark Continant? I'd like to take it to Africa but I'll use it for bears in the meantime. My purchase, however, is not based on 'need'. If I based everything on need , I'd own a .375, a .25-06, a shotgun and a .22 lr.
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Yep, there is still two on there. A third from another guy but he has the factory pic. Should be a good match to my .458 Lott. ![[Linked Image]](http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/sakoalberta/IMG_0190.jpg)
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Thanks, I can't wait to get it and try it. It takes a while to get it imported to Canada.
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I see another one sold on gunbroker. Looks like he has only one left. There is another one without a pic still there.
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All gone now except the one posted without pics. I wonder how many Ruger had in the first batch?
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Looks like seven sold on gunbroker during the last few days.
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Not surprising. There's been a lot of talk about them. If I'd had all my s**t in one sock a couple days ago, I'd be one of those buyers. Just give me a few weeks though. I mean to have one of them old Nitros.
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Not surprising. There's been a lot of talk about them. If I'd had all my s**t in one sock a couple days ago, I'd be one of those buyers. Just give me a few weeks though. I mean to have one of them old Nitros.
Priced brass lately? Ouch. There is still the one showing on gunbroker. Nope, but I see cabelas is selling the Hornadys loaded $79.99.
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Where did you price the brass?
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I see on the hornady site, they want about $2 each for brass.
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The '07 Grafs catalog arrived yesterday.
Hornady brass is $28.99/20 delivered in US.
They also show Horn 416 Rigby brass at the same price.
Loaded rounds in both calibers are 71.99/20.
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Think I was looking at it at Midway. Yeah, I just checked. Hornady for about $1.50 each. A-Square for about $5.20 each. Unfortunately the Hornady is listed as "coming soon". OOOHHHH! Dies are gonna be fun too. On Midway, RCBS 2-die set for $265. OUCHHHHH! That's kind of painful. Man, we're gonna have to do a bunch of shooting to recoup the cost of materials. But, as obscure as these rounds are, it's probably a worthy investment. Maybe once all the Ruger/Hornady stuff hits the shelves, things will moderate some. Let's hope.
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Wow, that's a lot for dies! Hopefully, as you said, once this stuff hits the shelves, things will moderate some.
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Let's hope. I'm headed to Nashville this weekend. Going to the deer expo and I think maybe there's somewhat of a gun show there as well. I hope I don't run across a 450/400. It might get ugly.
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Gotta love it... Good luck, hope it gets ugly for ya!!!
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I've noted that there has been much anticipation concering the .450/.400. And being that I am a certified #1 Slut, I expected to have one myself. Last week my dealer told me that he had been talking to the Customer Service Dealer Rep @ Ruger and was informed that a production date had not yet been set. Then, yesterday he informed me that he would have one this week. I have 1st chance at it. However, he also informed me that Hornady will not be offering components for the handloader until their quota of factory ammo has been satisfied. And at $70+ for a box of unprimed brass, that makes it fairly pricey. He also told me that the price of dies from Huntingdon's is over $200, dealer cost.  (And Redding doesn't even offer them) (Hornady's website say's: "coming soon") Mentally adding up the costs sums up that dies + 50 pcs of brass + bullets + in excess of $800 for the rifle, tells me that it will be over $1K just to fire the first shot.  I think I'm going to pass....  Grasshopper
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GH, That was a very rational decision. I'm glad I bought mine before I read your post!!
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It's just money. I'll make some more next week. As for brass, if there's any Hornady ammo available, I'll be buying 4 or 5 boxes to get me started. That ought to be enough brass to play with for a while. I really hope I don't find one of these this weekend. I've got enough load work/shooting to do for now. Another gun to work on might put me into overload.
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I'll be doing the same. Get a few boxes of factory to start.
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I didn't know they had shipped the rifles. First I see, I'll buy!!!
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+ bullets + in excess of $800 for the rifle, tells me that it will be over $1K just to fire the first shot. I think I'm going to pass.... Grasshopper No guts, no glory! It's all relative, as the popularity rises, the cost of components and dies should fall. I had occasion to talk to Redding on another subject and enquired if they would be offering 450-400 dies. The reply, "If there's sufficient interest." I did my bit, all you other guys need to let them know you'd like to see Redding offer dies. SOS
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Did my part. Just sent Redding an email.
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Hopefully, these dies and brass sell much lower now that they aren't 'special order'.
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Dies are $270 on the RCBS site.
https://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/,DanaInfo=shop.rcbs.com+MainServlet?storeId=webconnect&catalogId=webconnect&langId=en_US&action=ProductDisplay&screenlabel=index&productId=1753
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Looks like the 8 or so on Gunbroker are all gone now.
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How is the calibre marked on the rifle .450/400 or 400Jeffrey? thanks
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Also please give us the weight when you get it. I'm guessing 9 lbs or so, with a barrel profile much like the 416s.
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Well; My local gun pimp sold the one he had today. But not to me. (I passed on it.) He slugged the bore before he sold it. He said it slugged @ .410-.4105. It was stamped .450/400 3" .By way of comparison, he also slugged a .405 Win. that he had in stock. It slugged: .412-.4125. I couldn't believe that Ruger used two different bore sizes for .40 caliber. (Actually three, counting the .416s.) Grasshopper
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Also please give us the weight when you get it. I'm guessing 9 lbs or so, with a barrel profile much like the 416s.
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Thanks for the info, I can not wait to get mine here in Australia the wait may be another year or so.
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SOS, Sorry I didn't even think to put the .400/450 on the scales. The barrel contour is the same as the .375 H&H and .405 Win. Which makes it a bit lighter than the various .416's. My SS Laminated .405 weighs in at 9.15 lbs with 2x7 Leuppie mounted. Since laminated generally is heavier than walnut, I'm guessing that the .450/400 will go between 8 and 8.5 lbs. However, that's just a guess. Grasshopper
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Its going to have a bit of kick.
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Hi guys, first post here. I came on looking for any info on brass, bullets and loaded ammo availability for the .450-400 3". I just got one yesterday. It was the first one I laid eyes on. Asking price was $750. The dealer didn't think to, or wasn't able to get ammo for it right away. Mine is stamped 450/400 N.E. 3". I'm patiently waiting for Hornady to release the hounds! If it weren't for the fact that I really wanted this caliber to be made available in the No.1, I'd have probably went with a .458 Win. Mag. for the wider availabilty of components as well as loaded ammo, not to mention dies! Yikes! I had no idea that ANY dies cost that much! I can see .700 N.E.
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As you know, the Hornady components aren't out yet.
Woodleigh bullets (400 soft and solid) are available at Miidway.
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I saw one of these at a local dealer, while there to pick up a .45-70 No. 1 I'd had on layaway. There were no other Tropicals in stock with which to compare barrel contour. Much as I like the idea of a #1 in .450/.400, I doubt I will be able to afford one before this run is all sold out, having just paid out my .45-70, and with less available overtime to work.
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The one I passed on, a buddy of mine bought. He paid just over $1K for the rifle, new set of dies and 40 pcs of Bertram brass. However, he hasn't shot it as yet, because he has no bullets. But I just might order some in for him. (That way I get to shoot it, too!) (Nothing devious about me.... ) Looks like they are leaking out of the factory. I'd have wagered a goodly sum that we'd not see them 'til 2008. Good thing I didn't, 'cause I'd have been wrong. Grasshopper
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Hey, thanks guys. Be sure to post when you first see the hornadys hit the shelf? Otherwise, up here in Canada, we might not find out for quite a while!
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This is my first post on this site though I have been reading almost daily for a couple of years. I have been following all of the posts regarding the Ruger No. 1 in 9.3x74 and .450/400 with keen interest. I picked up a 9.3 a couple of months ago at my local dealer, and he just received his first .450/400 last week. Needless to say, that one followed me home also. The 9.3 has pretty decent wood, but the .450/400 was very plain compared to most No.1's that I see. As it worked out, I was trading a No. 1 in 375 H&H that had very nice wood and was able to talk them into swapping the wood out as part of the trade. The wood swap worked great, and I had them install a brown Declerator pad while fitting the wood. I will try and post pictures of the pair when I get that part figured out. The 9.3 shoots great by the way--three shots touching at 100 yds with RL-15 and 250 Accubonds. I haven't experimented further (yet) since it shot so well with the first load tried. Now, to find components to load for the .450/400--I should have 10 rounds of Kynoch ammo arriving tomorrow, so may be able to at least sight it in this week.
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JGray - I know you have been reading here for a while and this is your first post, but WELCOME TO THE 'FIRE ANYWAY! You have great taste in firearms and cartridges and I hope you enjoy your new toy. Let us know how it handles and have fun.
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JGray, Welcome to a great place for #1 rifle looneys... (er...Afictionados...) Always room for one more. BTW... Where are you from? G.H.
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Welcome to the fire and good luck with the .450/400. I look forward to the pics!
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BTW, you've come to the right place if you need info. There are some on this thread that can usually answer any #1 questions you might have(I'm not one of them) They are authorities on all things #1.
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Grasshopper: I just added more information to my profile, but in answer to your question, I am in Helena, MT. The "local dealer" I referred to is the same one that JB (Mule Deer) spends a lot of time at and mentions often in his writings.
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Nice wood. Quite the pair. I'll have the same plus a .458 Lott when they get here!!!
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P.S. Thanks for the pics!!
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JG,
Capital Sports sounds like a hell of a store! Hope to see it some day.
If you have access to a reasonably accurate scale, would you mind putting those 2 beauties on (one at a time) and telling us the results?
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The .450/400 ammo arrived this morning: 2 boxes w/ 5 rounds each @ $120 total for 10 rounds ($12 per trigger pull). I ran out at lunch to give it a go--only fired 5 rounds though. Seemed like more recoil than the same rifle in 375 H&H, though very tolerable. The 375 seemed to stay down on the sand bags, where this one tends to come up completely off the bags at the shot. After a quick bore sight and 1 round at 50 yds, I moved to 100 and fired the remaining 4. Rounds 2 and 3 printed about 3/4" apart which was encouraging, but round 4 dropped 3" lower and 2" left, and round 5 dropped 2" lower and 2" right of the initial two which was a little disappointing. I'm definitely anxious to try handloads. There is a very noticeable difference in the shape of the shoulder after firing--the shoulder definitely gets blown out to match the chamber (9.3x74 shown for comparison): ![[Linked Image]](http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa241/JWGray/07-25-07_1312.jpg) Looks like I got this photo resizing figured out. Jerry
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Anytime Sako--I'm kind of having fun with it. I've had a camera on my cel phone for some time now, but never found a use for it until now!
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It is quite the store--it gets me in trouble frequently. They are not large with lots of inventory, but they seem to get their share of unique/interesting rifles. They always seem to have a couple of Shiloh Sharps, and sometimes a Ballard. I have had a couple of Shiloh's from them and currently have a Ballard.
I found a nice Pre64 Model 70 in 300 H&H there after looking/waiting for one for several years, then a Savage 99EG in .300 Sav. showed up and followed me home. It turns out the 300 H&H belonged to the father of a friend of mine that I just started hunting with last year. He recognized it as his Dad's old rifle as soon as he saw it. They have a CZ 550 full stock in 9.3x62 on consignment right now. If I didn't already have the same in the Lux model, plus the No.1 in 9.3x74, I'd be all over that one.
I had a digital fish scale that I used to use for weighing rifles, but it croaked and I haven't replace it. I do have a digital bathroom scale and will try that though not sure how accurate it will be.
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Jerry.....prolly a good thing i didnt have to go through Helena to get to Polson last week......had i seen the 450-400 i might have been walking the 500 miles home due to an unhappy wife  might have been worth it though
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Hey rattler, you would have been safe--it never made it to the showroom floor so you wouldn't have seen it had you stopped in. They have had two on order for some time and I had my name down to reserve one. When I read on here that they were starting to ship, I went in and asked Dave if he had heard when they might see theirs. He said it just so happens one just showed up without any paperwork and they didn't know where it came from. They hadn't even taken it out of the box to look at it--it was just sitting in the back room. He brought it out, opened the box and it was a done deal. We just needed the gunsmith to confirm he could swap the wood from my 375 which just took some minor fitting.
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lol. very cool. my next trip to Helena i might have to see if your free so i can actually handle one....dont expect the few that hit shelves in state to stick around long......if i could just get my dang car sold i would see if my local shop would try getting one in for me
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How often are you in Helena? Definitely look me up next time you come through--I'll make time to meet with you. Hopefully I can track down loading components and get some load work done, and if you are going over McDonald pass, maybe meet at the range there and shoot it.
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varies......sometimes quite often. not sure when my next trip up is. my wifes meeting that would normally be there in September was moved to Billings, so who knows now if i dont draw a speed goat tag im headed somewhere over there to try and find a bruin.
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Jerry, Thanks for posting your location. I'm always curious where the folks that frequent these forums live. And as I travel a bit, I've been fortunate to have met several. I'm planning a prarie dog safari for next June and may well make it a point to stop at Capitol Sports. I've had a 9.3x74R now for several years. I never thought Ruger would ever make it, so I had a custom built with a tapered octagon barrel. Couldn't pass up the 1-S, tho', so now I have two. Love those #1's! Grasshopper
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Savuti, best I can come up with for weight on the bathroom scale is 7.0-7.1 lbs (9.3x74) and 7.8-7.9 lbs (.450/400). That seems lighter than I would have expectd, but if memory serves, the 375 H&H with the same wood was right at 8 lbs, so maybe the bigger hole in the same barrel contour makes the difference.
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Thanks for checking, that's a lb lighter than I was expecting.
I have a 400 on order. Can't wait.
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Thanks for checking, that's a lb lighter than I was expecting.
I have a 400 on order. Can't wait.
SOS +1 I'll weigh mine and post when it arrives.
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There is three on gunbroker currently. i wonder how many they made on this first run?
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Looks like there was 13 sold on gunbroker and three more still there.
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I'm thinking of buying one on gunbroker. I hate to do the paperwork and the wait, however, I have to wonder how long before retailers get them here in Canada.
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Wow! In the space of 2 days I've managed to snag both a No 1 450-400 and a Hawkeye African. Should have them in hand a week from Monday. Now the long wait begins...........
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Hey fellers, check this link for dies. $145.00 reflex264 http://www.ch4d.com/
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Please don't think I am raining on anyone's parade here, but you might want to do a little research on CH4D if you are considering their dies. I looked at them in 6-06 because they were inexpensive and quickly available, but found several bad reports about their quality. Ultimately I chose to stay away. To be clear - I'm not knocking their product as I have never used them myself - just suggesting that you check for yourself prior to spending the money. This is too cool a round and rifle to have a problem with dies. Whatever you do - good luck and enjoy them!
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Please don't think I am raining on anyone's parade here, but you might want to do a little research on CH4D if you are considering their dies. I looked at them in 6-06 because they were inexpensive and quickly available, but found several bad reports about their quality. Ultimately I chose to stay away. To be clear - I'm not knocking their product as I have never used them myself - just suggesting that you check for yourself prior to spending the money. This is too cool a round and rifle to have a problem with dies. Whatever you do - good luck and enjoy them! Hey stanimal. I haven't used them but know someone that does and they think they are the cat's meow. What kind of problems were they having? Thanks, reflex264
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The .450/400 ammo arrived this morning: 2 boxes w/ 5 rounds each @ $120 total for 10 rounds ($12 per trigger pull). I ran out at lunch to give it a go--only fired 5 rounds though. Seemed like more recoil than the same rifle in 375 H&H, though very tolerable. The 375 seemed to stay down on the sand bags, where this one tends to come up completely off the bags at the shot. After a quick bore sight and 1 round at 50 yds, I moved to 100 and fired the remaining 4. Rounds 2 and 3 printed about 3/4" apart which was encouraging, but round 4 dropped 3" lower and 2" left, and round 5 dropped 2" lower and 2" right of the initial two which was a little disappointing. I'm definitely anxious to try handloads. There is a very noticeable difference in the shape of the shoulder after firing--the shoulder definitely gets blown out to match the chamber (9.3x74 shown for comparison): Looks like I got this photo resizing figured out. Jerry I have been studying this picture. If that's how those guns are chambered I would be looking for a set of custom dies. I have to wonder if they are headspacing from the rim or the shoulder. reflex264
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The guys I talked to spoke of very rough internal finishes and not such great dimensional control. Both of them said they would never buy another product from CH4D so it raised a red flag with me. Please keep in mind this is all second hand - I have no experience with the products so I don't want to bash them myself. Just thought it was worth mentioning as I appreciated someone else doing the same for me when I was looking at the 6-06 dies. If you know people who are happy with them (or just want to try them yourself) - I hope you have perfect results.
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I will look into it further. Thanks for the heads up. I am debating the next big bore purchase and haven't ordered a 450/400 yet. Just got the .416 Rigby #1 and was thinking about a CZ in .505 Gibbs. reflex264
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Progress! just got a call from Grafs that my backorder for Hornady 450-400 brass can now be filled.
The No 1 should be here Friday or Monday...........
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Good news, SOS! My 450/400 will be crossing the border any day now!!!
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Thanks SavutiOneShot So, I guess the next topic should be 'when will hornady have ammo?' Thanks again for posting; seems to be very few who know what the timeline is. Glad you have a source there. God I wish companies would quit throwing the brass production bone to the worst brass company in the world. Why dont RP pick up some of these contracts so that you can reload it an outrageous # of times. Oh like twice. Hornady, way to brittle
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So who makes Hornady brass?
I agree it's nice to get more than a couple loads from your brass. We'll have to wait and see how well this stuff holds up.
BUT, at $0.58 vs $5.20 a piece for A-Sqare, I can live with abbreviated case life.
Maybe someone like Jamison can be persuaded to produce it, they already list the 3 1/4" version.
BTW, anybody know which shell holder will work for the 450-400 3"? The rim will be too thick to use the holder for the longer case.
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Not sure what SH to use. Maybe when one pays $300CAN for a set of dies, they throw the SH in?
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So who makes Hornady brass?
I agree it's nice to get more than a couple loads from your brass. We'll have to wait and see how well this stuff holds up.
BUT, at $0.58 vs $5.20 a piece for A-Sqare, I can live with abbreviated case life.
Maybe someone like Jamison can be persuaded to produce it, they already list the 3 1/4" version.
BTW, anybody know which shell holder will work for the 450-400 3"? The rim will be too thick to use the holder for the longer case.
SOS The .348 Win case is close to the dimensions of the .450/.400 3", to wit: Base Dia. .348 = .553"; .450/400 = .545" Rim Dia. .348 = .610"; .450/400 = .613" (From COTW). It may be possible to use the .348 - at least I'm going to try it. I will also try neck sizing using a .40-70 Sharps Bottleneck die and see what happens.
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Sorry to pee on your parade, but this afternoon I found the original Kynoch cartridge I had and tried it in every shell holder I have, including 450 NE, 470/500 NE, 577 Snider, 416 Rigby, 348, 45-70. No dice.
Now the good news. It fit in the 50 Sharps, a trifle loose, but it should work.
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PS . In my experience, the dimensions (and often the verbage) in COTW are frequently incorrect. The more obscure the cartridge, the more likely they are to be wrong.
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Well, picked up both the No 1 and the Hawkeye today. And what do I find on the doorstep when I arrive home? The Hornady 450-400 brass from Grafs!
Some observations: The .400 weighs 7.94 lbs which is quite a surprise since my .405 was 8.30. I can't see any difference in the barrel contour so I'm guessing it's all wood density. For comparison a 45-70 is 7.31 and a 7x57A is 6.99.
Both the original Kynoch cartridge and the new Hornady brass chamber and eject nicely. Here's a comparison of rim dimensions.
Kynoch Dia---.616
" " Thickness---.058
Hornady Dia---.617
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Close enough for gov't work. I'll post picks if someone can tell me how to "right click" with a Mac...........?
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In talking to Hornady last week, they indicated their brass would not ship until sometime around October. Looking at Graf's site, they show "out of stock" on the same brass. Just curious, have you had your's on backorder for sometime....or do you have some sort of inside track on it?
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I ordered it in May. Grafs called last week and asked if I still wanted it.
I wouldn't trust what their website says about anything right now. They seem to be experiencing some IT issues. I tried to input the item code from the catalog for Redding 375 ruger dies and it bounced as an invalid number. So I tried RCBS and Hornady 375 ruger dies. Same result. So I called customer service and told them about it. They said to insert it in the comments section!
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![[Linked Image]](http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/Foursquare_album/th_DSC00502.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/Foursquare_album/th_DSC00500.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/Foursquare_album/th_DSC00499.jpg) Here's my first attempt at pics. SOS The rounds are: Kynoch 450-400 3.25", Hornady 450-400 3" case, Kynoch 450-400 3", Kynoch 450 NE, 7.62 ball for reference. One good thing about the pic is that you can clearly see the difference in rim thickness.
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I see there is now hornady ammo for sale on gunbroker. $69.99/box.
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I searched gunbroker.com and could not find the new Hornady ammo. Has anyone been able to find it there or elsewhere?
I have some new Hornady brass coming from Graf's but am waiting one the Hornady dies.....understand they are still a few weeks away.
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On Gunbroker, select Ammunition, then Rifle Ammo, then type Hornady 450/400 (or just 450/400)in the search box. Should take you straight to it. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=79230458I just called them on the phone and ordered a box directly at $69.99 plus $8 S/H. Received it yesterday, but haven't shot it yet.
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Another source but its $55.00 for a box of five(very trational looking though): http://www.kynochusa.com/Order.html
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Does anyone know if Ruger are going to release any more 450/400's, or where I can get one?
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Just FYI,
I ordered 3 boxes of the RN from Cabela's and with their $25 off on a $200 order it worked out to $76.65/box and no shipping charge. Not great, but ok...
They didn't have any FMJ available.
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My 60 rounds of Hornady RN arrived today. Opened up one box to look 'em over. OAL was reasonably consistent at 3.690" +- .005". Just waitn' on the #1 now.... 
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Keep us updated on how it goes!
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No 450/400 on gunbroker does any one know of any for sale or when the next shipment from factory is due? Thanks
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My dealer said it'd be trick or treat, so I've got about a month to go... ... He ordered two at the time.
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I just bought one off the rack at a store here in Montana. It hadn't been there long. They also had ammo on hand, but ONLY FMJ's.
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Which, I should have mentioned, is the same place JGray got his.
Mine weighs 7 lbs. 14 ounces on an old, but precise, balance scale.
I should also mention that I have successfuly used .41 Magnum dies to neck-size cartridges that use this approximate bullet diameter, including the .405 WCF. Am probably going to do that until my .450/.400 dies arrive. This tends to work pretty well since many of these rounds are pretty low-pressure.
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MD, how is the wood? Can you post a pic or two?
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I just dis a search of the usual places; gunbroker, gunsamerica, auctionarms and even hendershots. I can't find one! I'm glad I got mine when I did!
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I am still looking, I am starting to think Ruger might discontinue the 450/400!
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I am still looking, I am starting to think Ruger might discontinue the 450/400! I'm in the same boat, waiting for my 9.3X74R. They will likely do another run of each soon?!
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The wood would make a high quality fence-post. It is probably the plainest I have ever seen on a No. 1.
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The wood would make a high quality fence-post. It is probably the plainest I have ever seen on a No. 1.
JB That's too bad. #1 is such a classy looking rifle, a nice piece of wood really finishes it off. Mine should get here(takes time to import from the US) next week!!! ![[Linked Image]](http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/sakoalberta/pix1870587328.jpg)
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I am not too worried. There are ways of fixing it....
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I am not too worried. There are ways of fixing it....
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MD: Sounds like Capital Sports got another one in. When I first inquired about one, they told me they had two on order and I believe I got the first one. I know we both spend some time there--I've seen you and Eileen there on more than one occasion. Interesting you mentioning the .41 mag dies--I had the same thought about neck sizing and have had a loaner set sitting on my bench to try that. I just received my Hornady dies, so probably won't bother now. I'm still thinking the .41 mag neck expander may come in handy for belling case mouths for cast bullets.
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JG: Yeah, evidently I got the second one.
I have used the .41 dies specfically to bell brass of various rifle rounds around .40 caliber.
Next time you see us in there (we tend to be in at least once a week, sometimes more during "trading" season) say hello! It is always a pleasure to meet fellow rifle loonies.
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Talk about rifle loonies: A few years ago I decided I had to have a No.1 in 375 H&H and Capital Sports had one but with fairly plain wood. I called around looking for another one, and Scheels in Billings said they had one with decent wood, so I jumped in the truck and made the drive. Walking up to the rack, I could see the No. 1 on the end had gorgeous wood and just assumed that was the 375, only to be disappointed when it turned out to be a 45-70. The 375 was right next to it and had much plainer wood than the local rifle. I ended up buying both, swapped the butt stocks and sold the 45-70 to a friend. The stock on the 450/400 was very plain also, and I envisioned doing the same thing again, but was able to convince Capital to trade my 375 towards the 450/400 and swap the wood as part of the deal. I paid an extra $15 for "minor fitting" and am plum tickled with the result. My 450/400 has the forend from the 375, the butt stock from the 45-70 and the wood to metal fit is as good as any I've seen. I had better luck with my No.1 in 9.3x74--it had decent wood out of the box.
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Jerry, I may end up doing the same thing. Have a 405 with a nice butt which would look real nice on the 450-400.
Then there's the 45-70 that looks like it was sold by Home Depot.......
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Still looking for a 450/400 if any one knows of one for sale please post where it is. Many Thanks
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S.A,
I was wondering if you have taken possession of your .450/400 yet? How long has it been?
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Nope, but it should be here in a matter of a few days now. I could have had it much sooner, however, I bought some more Sakos in the US and decided to wait so I could ship them together. Much cheaper that way. I can't wait to see it. I'll put up pics as soon as it arrives.
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BTW, its been several months!!
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Woo Hoo !! Mine arrived today. I pick it up tomorrow. Got the ammo and now I got the gun. Paper, look out! Yippee
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That's great!! Be sure to post pics and how it shoots!
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FYI, there are 3 sellers listing on Gunbroker now.
$780-851.
Happy bidding.
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Oh, yeah - I forgot - when I ordered mine DJ's ordered another one at the same time. It's hanging on the rack at $829. For anyone interested you can give them a shout here: DJ's
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I talked to the Australian Ruger importer yesterday and he confirms the first shipment of 450/400's will be leaving in a day or so ! and I presume South Africa order also as a mate there is also waiting...now to find some Hornady ammo.
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Very interesting round in what looks like a serious thumper/rig!
I'm new to the single shot scene. And from what I've read & seen, I'm liking it allot & think I'll be joining you gentleman on this voyage.
I was first toying with the idea of getting the 9.3x74R/No.1, but now I'm wanting the 450/400 NE 3" more. ha ha ha the funny is, I dare say I will end up with both in the end(grin).
These No.1's look additive?
This 400 NE really looks the goods in what seems to be a fine 200yd slayer.
And from the Hornady video, it also looks like a peach to shoot. Or it looks that way from the video footage(long slow push, rather than the sharp hits I've taken over the years).
How do you men rate this cal/combo now you have your own & used one?
And how does the No.1 stock handle the recoil. Is there any need to float/bedd the fore-end, with maybe a cross-bolt in the stock handle?
Forgive me if this is not the case, as I have NO experience with single shots & the design scene.
I dare say the No.1's need no work out of the box? As they have been one of the single shots that others are judged, from what I've read.
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PS-Can they be stoked up in the No.1 action. Heard they are a very strong action?
What sort of ballistics you men getting?
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Ok, now THAT was fun! Had some time today to stop off at the range after work to put the first rounds through my new #1. As I ran a patch through the barrel I looked at the recoil pad thinking "bet I'll have to swap that for a Decelerator...". Got settled at the bench, fed the chamber with one of those Hornady rounds, and squeezed it off at the 50 yard target. That's it? That's all the recoil? Wow, this is gonna be fun. I fed the #1 4 more rounds before it got too dark and had to pack up. Gotta tell ya, this 450/400 caliber has to be the over-40 caliber for the masses. Recoil is no big deal even at the bench, and it's just flat out fun to shoot!
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Mine is finally here!! I'll post pics ASAP.
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Pics later tonight. I need to get some ammo!
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I got mine Monday!If the weather holds up,I'll shoot it Friday.I picked it up at Cabelas in Michigan,none left! They are special order with deposits only.I did not see any ammo,but I already had some and my bullet mold came in.
I did notice a new 'soft' recoil pad?Anybody tried it yet?
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I was surprised how much lighter in contour the barrel is than my .458 Lott. I'll try to get pics, camera is giving me a little trouble.
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Looked at the first one I"ve seen in person this morning. New and priced at $850 or thereabouts. Nice piece of wood. had hoped it had the heavier bbl profile - I LIKE the heavy one. Also loked at a 31 in .38 at $650 or so but knowing my .405 was out back on lay-a-way, I needed to resist a bit longer. Maybe after the new year...
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Barrel is much lighter. I'll try to get a pic of my Lott with the 450/400 to show the difference, however, I'm having trouble with glare from the barrels making the pic unclear.
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Here's an OK pic comparing the barrels. Pic doesn't really show the difference. Once you pic the two up you can really tell the difference. 450/400 on top. ![[Linked Image]](http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/sakoalberta/IMG_0836.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/sakoalberta/IMG_0837.jpg)
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Still about 5 listed on gunbroker. All quite plain stocks although the cheapest($750) has about the nicest wood of the ones with pics.
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How's the recoil? What other cartridge would you guys compare it to?
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How's the recoil? What other cartridge would you guys compare it to? I'm still waiting for some ammo. I'm guessing, even with the lighter weight, it will be less than my Lott! :0
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You plan on reloading for this cartridge? Can you take a grizzly where you do your hunting? Would be a neat cartridge (and potent) to put a hurtin' on a bear.
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I plan to reload it eventually. For now, factory will do and provide me with some empties.
Grizzly hunt in AB was recently suspended but, hopefully, that will change soon. Also, not far to the NWT or Yukon to get one someday. Not sure I'd take this rifle as I have other big bores. I may well use it for a big blackie some time soon though. (or maybe even a moose sometime soon)
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Heading to Cabelas in a few weeks. I hope to get some ammo then. If I can, it should be ready for a spring bear hunt.
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Heading to Cabelas in a few weeks. I hope to get some ammo then. If I can, it should be ready for a spring bear hunt. Now we're talking! What's the factory offerings for this cartridge? What bullets?
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https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_session=731c21810020167053a01c5b5a295b26&page=shop%2Fbrowse&category_id=8f3de6cb20ce64cc9ea35de6099ff21c
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I noticed they are already offering ammo loaded with the new DGS solid. I wonder when the new DGX expanded will replace the current RN?
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The 450/400 is on the Ruger site now! (Now if they would just put a .450 No 2 on there! )
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