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I’ve loaded 1000s for ARs, never crimped a one. And they work perfectly.
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I just put forty rounds of 62 gr Fusions thru two 20 round PMAGs, no crimp, and no problem. Fired slow for groups, and three to four round bursts for checking function. Looks like no-crimp here. Thanks to all.
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
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What is TIR? Also, is it required that you use "small base" dies for AR reloads?
Total Indicator Runout. No. Anything to the right of the 100ths place in overall length is irrelevant. Yes sir. Total indicatior reading, but for run-out. I like straight ammo. It tends to shoot better than crooked chidt. Im running small base dies for my CLE chambers. Get good accuracy and good enough longevity out of my brass. Not that im too concerned about it. Brass is free around here. If adding crimp reduces your indicated runout, you probably have something funky going on elsewhere in the loading process. Obviously we all like straight ammo for accuracy, but crimping isn't usually necessary or helpful.
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What is TIR? Also, is it required that you use "small base" dies for AR reloads?
Total Indicator Runout. No. Anything to the right of the 100ths place in overall length is irrelevant. Yes sir. Total indicatior reading, but for run-out. I like straight ammo. It tends to shoot better than crooked chidt. Im running small base dies for my CLE chambers. Get good accuracy and good enough longevity out of my brass. Not that im too concerned about it. Brass is free around here. If adding crimp reduces your indicated runout, you probably have something funky going on elsewhere in the loading process. Obviously we all like straight ammo for accuracy, but crimping isn't usually necessary or helpful. You are a fu cking idiot. That is an old trick to reduce run-out. It's also the way I set all of my dies and I get far better accuracy than most do here. How do you fare at shooting and accuracy? Until you can start proving you know what you are talking about, I'd suggest you shut the fu ck up.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Yowser this escalated fast..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Wow! Evidently a couple of you guys don’t like each other!
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
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Yowser this escalated fast.. BSA can be a little grumpy from time to time. I suspect he just needs some range time to decompress. Most of us could probably use some more range time.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I can't say I understand how crimping would reduce runout, nor do I recall having heard of it being a trick to do so. Maybe my memory is going.
I can see how if everything is just right it wouldn't harm runout.
One more thing to test ...
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Wow! Evidently a couple of you guys don’t like each other!
Never had any problem with him before, but apparently do now, I guess?
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What is TIR? Also, is it required that you use "small base" dies for AR reloads?
Total Indicator Runout. No. Anything to the right of the 100ths place in overall length is irrelevant. Yes sir. Total indicatior reading, but for run-out. I like straight ammo. It tends to shoot better than crooked chidt. Im running small base dies for my CLE chambers. Get good accuracy and good enough longevity out of my brass. Not that im too concerned about it. Brass is free around here. If adding crimp reduces your indicated runout, you probably have something funky going on elsewhere in the loading process. Obviously we all like straight ammo for accuracy, but crimping isn't usually necessary or helpful. You are a fu cking idiot. That is an old trick to reduce run-out. It's also the way I set all of my dies and I get far better accuracy than most do here. How do you fare at shooting and accuracy? Until you can start proving you know what you are talking about, I'd suggest you shut the fu ck up. Calm down Francis. That sure seems like a lot of anger to put into something so minor as crimping; maybe it's really about your need to prove that you're the best person here all the time? If you can set that aside for a minute, could you explain how/why adding crimp straightens out a crooked round? Show us your runout numbers and explain what the mechanism is that straightens out the rounds when you crimp. I could picture maybe if you've got a sticky expander ball pulling necks out of alignment, that adding a crimp might push the neck back down into place. Not sure what other mechanism could be responsible for the straightening. Never experienced that phenomenon myself, but maybe that's because I can't shoot, like most everyone else here.
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I see the village idiot is at it again.
Want to see him get really twisted? Ask him to prove up on all the elk he claims to kill.
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Crickets.
If you can set that aside for a minute, could you explain how/why adding crimp straightens out a crooked round? Show us your runout numbers and explain what the mechanism is that straightens out the rounds when you crimp.
I could picture maybe if you've got a sticky expander ball pulling necks out of alignment, that adding a crimp might push the neck back down into place. Not sure what other mechanism could be responsible for the straightening.
Never experienced that phenomenon myself, but maybe that's because I can't shoot, like most everyone else here.
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Just checking back. Crickets. You are a fu cking idiot. That is an old trick to reduce run-out. It's also the way I set all of my dies and I get far better accuracy than most do here. How do you fare at shooting and accuracy? Until you can start proving you know what you are talking about, I'd suggest you shut the fu ck up.
If you can set that aside for a minute, could you explain how/why adding crimp straightens out a crooked round? Show us your runout numbers and explain what the mechanism is that straightens out the rounds when you crimp.
I could picture maybe if you've got a sticky expander ball pulling necks out of alignment, that adding a crimp might push the neck back down into place. Not sure what other mechanism could be responsible for the straightening.
Never experienced that phenomenon myself, but maybe that's because I can't shoot, like most everyone else here.
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I'd like to know what's up too, but guessing he realized his tantrum was unfounded and isn't willing to explain or apologize. Too bad.
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I'd like to know what's up too, but guessing he realized his tantrum was unfounded and isn't willing to explain or apologize. Too bad. I think it can be attributed to ass holes colliding.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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No crimp. 2.25, or 2.255 oal. If you use metal ASC mags you can go to 2.3" Lastround, This is your answer.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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No crimp. 2.25, or 2.255 oal. If you use metal ASC mags you can go to 2.3" Lastround, This is your answer. Thanks to all.
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
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I'd like to know what's up too, but guessing he realized his tantrum was unfounded and isn't willing to explain or apologize. Too bad. I think it can be attributed to ass holes colliding. That's pretty damned funny.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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I'd like to know what's up too, but guessing he realized his tantrum was unfounded and isn't willing to explain or apologize. Too bad. I think it can be attributed to ass holes colliding. Lol
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Checking in again. Crickets. You are a fu cking idiot. That is an old trick to reduce run-out. It's also the way I set all of my dies and I get far better accuracy than most do here. How do you fare at shooting and accuracy? Until you can start proving you know what you are talking about, I'd suggest you shut the fu ck up.
If you can set that aside for a minute, could you explain how/why adding crimp straightens out a crooked round? Show us your runout numbers and explain what the mechanism is that straightens out the rounds when you crimp.
I could picture maybe if you've got a sticky expander ball pulling necks out of alignment, that adding a crimp might push the neck back down into place. Not sure what other mechanism could be responsible for the straightening.
Never experienced that phenomenon myself, but maybe that's because I can't shoot, like most everyone else here.
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