|
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 1,644
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 1,644 |
I've gone full on default with my S&W Shield 45 as being my small, light, big bore carry.
Last edited by RemModel8; 07/19/20.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
[quote=RJM]I've got a Ruger GP-100 MC and don't know why anyone would want to bore it out to 10mm Magnum.
Yeah, that's what's keeping me from doing it. But it's an option.
MBW's 200 grain LBT is reported to not work in auto magazines unless seated deeper than spec. Not even something to think about with the MC. No serious person would claim that any 10mm will stand in for a 41 mag, but even a 200gr 40 cal from a GP100 size revolver is a handy step up from the 357. I have yet to see what can be done with heavier slugs seated long, but I expect it will be worth the look. Still working my way up with that 200gr LBT.
L to R, 10mm/200WFN, 45 ACP/200WFN, 45ACP/300 WFN. Note the 200 and 300gr. 45's seat the same depth in the case. The 10mm is too long to function and feed out of the magazine, but fits the chamber. The seating depth needs to go over that little shoulder. If I wanted more from a 10 wheelie, I would make me a bullet, not cut on the chamber. That's one issue that crops up in the 10mm. It's the issue of OAL, at least in my two samples, which are 1911 designs. Mag length dictates a lot. I just don't see a big difference in loading manuals between the 40 and 10mm; some people qoute 250fps. advantage. It's theoretically there, right after we add an inch or two of barrel and load it to its slightly higher SAAMI numbers. Even then.... ^^^ Lot of info in this post. ^^^
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,956 Likes: 3
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,956 Likes: 3 |
Then by all means, the 10mm has to be the way to go..... Hell I'd take a 45 Super over a 10mm 7 days to Sunday. The 45 Suoer and 10mm in my experience penetrates about the same but the 45 leaves a much larger wound channel Quite honestly I'd take a 44/45 wheelgun because my imaginary/pretend isn't that creative and I've never been into video games! Revolvers are my primary handgun when game is large, but for those that want a semi the 45 Super is superior inmy opinion
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,702
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,702 |
For me my 10mm Glock is for keeping ugly critters off me in the brush, be it four legged or two, and maybe swatting something for the grill if it's about 60 yards or closer. If I were gonna pack a revolver for that I would likely use a 4" magnum .41 with a 220 gr. hardcast around 1200 - 1250 fps to keep it manageable. Sorta like the 220 gr. from the 10mm...
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,959
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,959 |
For me my 10mm Glock is for keeping ugly critters off me in the brush, be it four legged or two, and maybe swatting something for the grill if it's about 60 yards or closer. If I were gonna pack a revolver for that I would likely use a 4" magnum .41 with a 220 gr. hardcast around 1200 - 1250 fps to keep it manageable. Sorta like the 220 gr. from the 10mm... The powders used to get to 1200-1250 in either are what make both annoying, unless you enjoy rung ears for a week. 1000-1100 in both give up nothing on game, make great target and hunting loads and dont require so much fuel, especially the louder/cracking ones. Let the bullet do the heavy lifting. Believe me, if I thought 1,200, 1,300 or more made a difference to the critters Ive keeled with cast, I would continue the ear-ringing, ass kicking loads I used to use. Youll also find, at the 100 mark, the more sedentary loads dont slow down as much as the "powerful" ones...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,146 Likes: 16
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,146 Likes: 16 |
I am happy with the Gen4 G20 Glock.
Accurate enough and 16 tries to hit a bears noggin with enough zip to whistle through from all angles.
Won't rust and doesn't bobble.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,008
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,008 |
I think if I wanted an out of the box 10mm Auto for hunting my first choice would be a DW Bruin. In revolvers I would be happy with the S&W 610 or the Ruger Blackhawk. The first thing I would do with the Blackhawk would be to send off the .40 cylinder and have it chambered you .38-40
Guns don't kill people, it's mostly the bullets
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,323 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,323 Likes: 1 |
as I understand it, my 10mm dies will also load 40sw. Damn this talk about the shorty 40.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 17,163 Likes: 4
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 17,163 Likes: 4 |
Ha, back in the early days of the 40, they called It the 40 Short and Weak.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258 |
For me my 10mm Glock is for keeping ugly critters off me in the brush, be it four legged or two, and maybe swatting something for the grill if it's about 60 yards or closer. If I were gonna pack a revolver for that I would likely use a 4" magnum .41 with a 220 gr. hardcast around 1200 - 1250 fps to keep it manageable. Sorta like the 220 gr. from the 10mm... If/when Ruger makes a GP100 in 41 mag, I may be all over it.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258 |
Ha, back in the early days of the 40, they called It the 40 Short and Weak. Still do.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,258 |
I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.
That is one confused revolver you got right there. Actually nothing confused at all. Bigger hole than a .357, in the same size package, without giving up a round. Cheap and compact speed loaders. Room to bump it up to 10mm magnum if I feel goosey. Which I probably won't, 'cause seating heavy slugs long oal gives some extra powder room already. To me, it renders the .357 mag almost irrelevant. Oh Moses smell the Roses. Bump up to a .44 caliber and stop wasting your time. As far as the .357 is concerned, I determined that round was irrelevant the day after I met it. Don't care for large frame revolvers. Don't particularly care for five-shooters. My risk assessment doesn't call for that level of power, and I hunt with a rifle. But thanks for your concern.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,159 Likes: 3
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,159 Likes: 3 |
Deflave:
As for as numbers go, I am getting: 1503 fps with 135 JHP 1250-1300 with 180 JHP 1190 with 200 JHP
Power pistol and 800x.
I do believe these #'s are well past 40 S&W territory. Do not get me wrong I like the 40 S&W but it is not in the same class as the 10mm
Those are good numbers and best the .40 for sure. But I've seen plenty of 180gr. factory loads average just north of 1,050 and 155gr average just under 1,300fps. My point is that I just don't see the juice vs squeeze with the 10mm. Factory loads... What's that... DF
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
For me my 10mm Glock is for keeping ugly critters off me in the brush, be it four legged or two, and maybe swatting something for the grill if it's about 60 yards or closer. If I were gonna pack a revolver for that I would likely use a 4" magnum .41 with a 220 gr. hardcast around 1200 - 1250 fps to keep it manageable. Sorta like the 220 gr. from the 10mm... If/when Ruger makes a GP100 in 41 mag, I may be all over it. Hopefully it's a six shooter.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,189
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,189 |
Ha, back in the early days of the 40, they called It the 40 Short and Weak. Still do. Only the ignorant ones do. I best most 10mm factory loads in a 40. With room to spare.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
Don't care for large frame revolvers. Don't particularly care for five-shooters. My risk assessment doesn't call for that level of power, and I hunt with a rifle. But thanks for your concern.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920 |
There are a few custom gunsmiths who will turn a GP-100 into a .41 Special but none would do a .41 Magnum that I know of... While the GP is a very strong mid-frame revolver it would never stand up to the beating that full bore .41 Magnums would do to it...and for that matter most shooters could not either.
I have three Taurus Trackers in .41 Magnum. Two are titanium and one stainless steel. They are about the same size and as the GP and the SS is about the same weight but you would not to care shoot them with standard factory loads most of which push a 210 grain jacketed bullet at 1250 fps from a 4" barrel.
As to comparing 10mm to .41, standard BIG Three ammo companies run their 210 grain loads in the 1250 fps range from a 4" barrel. Comparing a 10mm of the same size, like a 1911 with a 5" barrel, 200-220 grain bullets can be run to the same velocity....but that is where it ends. The .41 can be loaded with bullets up to 300 grains and run 1275 from a 5.5" barrel. The 255 CP (which flave has shot in my gun) run 1205 out of a 4" Model 57.
A better round for the GP-100 and totally doable is the .401 Herter's PowerMag...or a rimmed 10mm Magnum...
Bob
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,702
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,702 |
Ha, back in the early days of the 40, they called It the 40 Short and Weak. Still do. Only the ignorant ones do. I best most 10mm factory loads in a 40. With room to spare. The watered down FBI loads. Not real stuff like the original Norma and modern Underwood Ammo loadings.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,189
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,189 |
Ha, back in the early days of the 40, they called It the 40 Short and Weak. Still do. Only the ignorant ones do. I best most 10mm factory loads in a 40. With room to spare. The watered down FBI loads. Not real stuff like the original Norma and modern Underwood Ammo loadings. Watered down, yes, but there it is. And the "real stuff" is in the tiny minority, while most stuff, as I said, is easily caught or beaten in a handloaded 40 with a 5" barrel. Not so "short and weak" compared to the 10, which was my point, since I am outdoing most guys firing a 10 most of the time.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,168
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,168 |
I have had a few stock Colt Delta's over the years that have run without a hitch. Of course you have to invest some in the trigger and sights to get them just right. Dan Wesson's come correct right from the factory as well as some others. The XDM looks like a winner. The one in the picture was built by a known pistol smith out in in VA (not Novak). I bought it barely used. It has the stock barrel refitted and is more accurate than I am over the years. Georgia Arms 180 grain Gold Dots in it most of the time. Double Tap 200 gr XTP's if I am in the boonies for any length of time. Glad the 10mm is finally getting it's due. It is a compromise, but covers a lot of bases.
"Knowledge is good" � Emil Faber
|
|
|
|
553 members (10ring1, 007FJ, 10Glocks, 10gaugeman, 160user, 51 invisible),
2,063
guests, and
1,341
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,763
Posts18,495,565
Members73,977
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|