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Proposed new rule is as clear as mud.

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/...tion-turn-in-effort-in-american-history/

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December 17, 2020 5:20 PM

New guidance from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could put millions of Americans in legal jeopardy.

The ATF published a notice Thursday that could require millions of AR-15 pistols and similar firearms—which are designed with braces that strap on to a shooter's forearm—to be either registered, turned in, destroyed, or dismantled. But the standards laid out for determining the devices' legality, such as caliber or weight, provide no objective measures, and the agency said it may also use undisclosed factors to judge the legality of the devices.

The agency conceded in the notice that some pistol braces are legal and should not be subject to the registration or destruction requirement. It said, however, that it could not provide a blanket determination for which pistols, or braces with which they're often equipped, are legal and said it would have to examine each gun "on a case-by-case basis." That means owners of the vast majority of the estimated three to four million AR-15 pistols and similar firearms may have to register with the ATF.

Second Amendment advocates were up in arms over the proposed rule, saying the uncertain legal status could destroy several businesses that make pistol braces and harm the gun industry. Erich Pratt, senior vice president of Gun Owners of America (GOA), said the subjective nature of the guidance shows that the "ATF has gone off into the deep end."

"GOA will rally the grassroots to fight these regulations, and if they eventually go into effect, we will commence immediate legal action to protect gun owners," Pratt said in a statement.

The controversy stems from how federal law distinguishes between short-barrel rifles and shotguns, both of which must be registered and require a $200 tax stamp, and pistols that do not require either. The key component is whether a firearm is designed to be pressed against the shooter's shoulder. Since 2012, the ATF has classified several guns with braces designed to strap to a shooter's forearm as pistols. The agency's Boston field office called that interpretation into question in August after sending a cease and desist letter to one manufacturer. The agency ordered a review in October following intervention from the White House.

Neither the ATF nor the White House responded to a request for comment.

The notice said the agency plans to waive the $200 tax for those registering the affected firearms during a grace period to be announced later. The public has two weeks to offer comment on the ATF notice before it goes into effect.


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Firearms need to be the “no go zone” of the right. Any attempt to confiscate anything that’s previously been legal up until 01-01-21 needs to be met with extreme violence.
The left has proven violence is a great deterrent.

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I was searching Scheels and sportsman’s tonight for one.. out of stock. Popular item or they pulled them.

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I don’t understand how a “rule” created outside of elected legislatures at a MINIMUM are able to override our Constitutional rights?


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You will find out if your AR pistol brave is legal after the fact...... they also raided 80% lowers and confiscated the customer list and are paying them visits.... schits getting real


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I don’t understand how a “rule” created outside of elected legislatures at a MINIMUM are able to override our Constitutional rights?


They are leftist and do as they please


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

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Here is the “notice” published on the ATF site.

https://www.scribd.com/document/488431301/Atf

ACTION, Notice Request for Comment

I suggest you read this and not rely on the Media interpretation.


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[quote=]and said it would have to examine each gun "on a case-by-case basis." [/quote]


Lol, Bring them in and let us see.............The F Uckers think we're as stupid as they are.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
[quote=]and said it would have to examine each gun "on a case-by-case basis."



Lol, Bring them in and let us see.............The F Uckers think we're as stupid as they are.
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That’s the media talking.

Read the actual notice.


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Firearms need to be the “no go zone” of the right. Any attempt to confiscate anything that’s previously been legal up until 01-01-21 needs to be met with extreme violence.
The left has proven violence is a great deterrent.




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As I read it the ATF letter is a thinly veiled we don’t like these gives us “legal cover” to ban them. I don’t see how it can be taken any other way.

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"AR-15 pistols and similar firearms—which are designed with braces that strap on to a shooter's forearm"

What exactly is a brace that straps onto your forearm?

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If I had one of these (they never were my thing), I'd make sure to carry it on my person at all times... and be ready to use it.

Which, I think, is good advice for all gunowners.

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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I don’t understand how a “rule” created outside of elected legislatures at a MINIMUM are able to override our Constitutional rights?


They are leftist and do as they please




Leftists? This is Trumps appointee doing this chit grin


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Seems like it could be argued that this violates the Void for Vagueness doctrine...


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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw
Seems like it could be argued that this violates the Void for Vagueness doctrine...



More like it’s Murphy’s Law and I mean no disrespect having said that.


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I don’t understand how a “rule” created outside of elected legislatures at a MINIMUM are able to override our Constitutional rights?


They are leftist and do as they please


Leftists? This is Trumps appointee doing this chit grin



Trump AIN'T Cuckservative/Republicant, he's a 'Classic Liberal', and nearly all of his apointees are RINOs, so as to placate the bolsheviks, and I think he's actually left of where JFK was...


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Just a little reminder.

Originally Posted by Eric308
the AR15 is a soulless weapon for feckless people.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
Just a little reminder.

Originally Posted by Eric308
the AR15 is a soulless weapon for feckless people.


All weapons are soulless.


The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.

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