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This should be worrisome to anyone thinking the Arctic belongs to any one Country. Perhaps Canada should look more to the North than the South for threats to Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6925729.stm


Russian subs near Arctic target

Russian media had claimed spy planes followed the mission
Submarines accompanying a Russian naval mission aimed at boosting Moscow's claim to Arctic territory are shortly expected to dive below the North Pole.
The two Mir submarines plan to dive to the ocean floor, 4,200m (14,000ft) below the pole, to carry out tests and plant a capsule with a Russian flag.

A Russian official said the "risky and heroic" mission was comparable to "putting a flag on the Moon".

Melting polar ice has led to competing claims over access to Arctic resources.

Russia's claim to a vast swathe of territory in the Arctic, thought to contain oil, gas and mineral reserves, has been challenged by other powers, including the US.


'Heroic mission'

The Russian expedition set off last week from the port of Murmansk and is looking for geological evidence to back up Moscow's claims to the resource-rich Arctic seabed.

Russian media reported last week that the ships were briefly tailed by foreign aircraft, but this claim was played down by the expedition leader.


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The expedition is being led by two members of parliament - Arthur Chilingarov, a seasoned polar explorer, and fellow MP Vladimir Gruzdev.


It's a very important move for Russia to demonstrate its potential in the Arctic... It's like putting a flag on the Moon

Sergei Kolesnikov
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The Itar-Tass news agency reported on Wednesday that the expedition's two ships - a nuclear-powered ice-breaker and a research vessel - were closing in on the North Pole.

Once near the pole, the two mini-submarines will leave the ships and begin their dive to ocean floor.

Scientists aboard the submarines plan to collect samples of Arctic flora and fauna and leave behind a titanium capsule containing a Russian flag.

The submarines' return from the seabed to the surface is regarded as the most dangerous part of the journey.

The vessels will have to navigate back to the exact point where they started from, or else risk being trapped beneath the Arctic ice.

"This is a risky and heroic mission," Sergei Kolesnikov, a spokesman for Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Institute, told the RIA-Novosti news agency.

"It's a very important move for Russia to demonstrate its potential in the Arctic," he said. "It's like putting a flag on the Moon."

Competing claims

President Vladimir Putin has already described the urgent need for Russia to secure its "strategic, economic, scientific and defence interests" in the Arctic.

Moscow argued before a UN commission in 2001 that waters off its northern coast were in fact an extension of its maritime territory.


The expedition set sail from Murmansk port on the Barents Sea

The claim was based on the argument that an underwater feature, known as the Lomonosov Ridge, was an extension of its continental territory, but it was rejected and Russia told to resubmit with more evidence.

Several countries with territories bordering the Arctic - including Russia, the US, Canada and Denmark - have launched competing claims to the region.

The competition has intensified as melting polar ice caps have opened up the possibility of new shipping routes in the region.

Current laws grant countries an economic zone of 200 nautical miles beyond their land borders.

This zone can be extended where a country can prove that the structure of the continental shelf is similar to the geological structure within its territory.

The North Pole is not currently regarded as part of any single country's territory and is therefore administered by the International Seabed Authority.







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In that the north pole is an ocean, they would be able to claim that distance from the land mass that is allowed under international law as territorial waters. Then again so would Canada and Norway. It would be no differant than the U.S going to the middle of the pacific, dropping markers, and claiming it as ours. The north pole is a frozen ocean, but it is still an ocean. Anyway, we crossed the north pole by submarine in 1958.

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All I can say is; good luck with that.

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What was that movie back in the 70s where US and Russian sub crews had a confrontation on the pac ice at the pole....I think Rock Hudson may have been in it?


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
What was that movie back in the 70s where US and Russian sub crews had a confrontation on the pac ice at the pole....I think Rock Hudson may have been in it?


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Can you all see what a can of worms the American government opened up, when it refused to accept Canadian sovereignty of our inter-island arctic waterways?

It is ours, it was ours, and the American governments refusal to recognize this fact - now allows other nations (who's motives for having bases and nucleur subs up there - might be less altruistic than America's) - to stake their own claims for being allowed up there.

The Russian claim, is based on an accepted international law that allows countries to claim ownwership of land, under the sea, if it is a clear extension of the continental shelf - even if it is beyond the 200 mile limit - as with parts of Canada's Grand Banks off of Newfoundland.

The problem with the Russian claim, is that the underwater maps and geographic studies presently show their claim to be baseless.


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Great...
The commies are flexing their muscles again, with Hillary poised to win the White House next year.
We are in for some "interesting" times, folks.
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Wonder if the Russians are going to be drinking heavy while down there.... seems there is a pattern of them doing so while in outer space.... Old Vladimir seems to be headed down the megalomania trail at a brisk rate....


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