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What would you define as long range, I would say anything beyond 300yds. I have certainly made plenty of shots beyond that with a variety of calibers, just not with the 358.


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I think it is just like the 308. You just learn the trajectory. The Bison herds were decimated with a long heavy for caliber bullet with a looping trajectory.
The 60 year sniping record of the .308 could have been duplicated with a 358 Winchester. Darryle maybe you just need practice. But Be Well, RZ.


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Originally Posted by vabowhntr
Sectional density gives a slight nod on penetration to the longer, smaller diameter bullet of the same weight if velocity is the same. Inside of 300 yards on deer it’s just academic.

Isn’t it the expanded diameter that affects penetration rather than the initial diameter?


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I’d stay with the 225’s Darryl


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I like the 250 grain bullets myself. Why buy a rifle with a bigger bore to shoot bullet weights commonly found in the smaller bores.


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I don't argue with anyone who uses the 35 over the 30s. They look to be smarter than the average bear to me, said with a Yogi the Bear accent. But I sometimes think Shaman is probably right for himself. If your shoulder tells you it doesn't like the full loads in the Whelen then he is probably saving himself. I don't use the 300 Win Mag anymore and instead of the 375 Ouch & Ouch I use a 376 Steyr. I have had a motorcycle and a couple of bicycle wrecks over the last 30 years and the neck, back, and both shoulders tell me about it. If I don't listen I pay for it. I think a Doctor, Ortho or otherwise would say stay with a 22 LR. But what do they know? Eh? Just because I'm up in the night? ......... Be Well, RZ.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
I like the 250 grain bullets myself. Why buy a rifle with a bigger bore to shoot bullet weights commonly found in the smaller bores.


I thinks them fellers are skeered of the recoil of bigger boowits so shoot the vermin boowits in the 35s. smile

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I’d shoot what you have the most confidence in. For whitetails, I happen to prefer the 225GK in the Whelen when I know ranges are 200 or less. If your 358 shoots 180s well and inspires confidence, I’d use that over a 308 with 180s everyday at typical whitetail ranges-I feel like the larger diameter hits with more authority.

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