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My cousin shot a Nilgai a couple weeks ago and the Barnes Expander looked just like that hanging out of the offside of his chest. It apparently opened and tumbled to exit base first but the expanded petals hung up on the hide. A buddy shot a Roosevelt on Afognak once and caught a 300gr XLC from his 375AI in the same fashion.
I say there’s an entry hole somewhere they overlooked. If it had bled off so much speed that it wouldn’t penetrate any further than that it wouldn’t have expanded enough for the petals to hold it from falling out. +1
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Bull$hit. I do not believe a TSX would stay in the entrance hole within any sane range.
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I say there’s an entry hole somewhere they overlooked. If it had bled off so much speed that it wouldn’t penetrate any further than that it wouldn’t have expanded enough for the petals to hold it from falling out.
I am going with a conspiracy theory of it just being incompetent mono loving aliens going for an oryx anal probe, but missing the hole. Maybe they were drinking? As far as the bullet not falling out unless it expanded, you and I shared that thought. I guess it is possible that maybe the bullet is in just far enough for the skin to shrink around the third bullet groove and hold it there, like an O ring. Hard to tell from just one picture. Or, the drunken alien abduction theory, I guess.
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Ted, kinda strange they didn’t share a pic of the bullet outta the skin
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Ya, it is strange.
I couldn't imagine that they wouldn't sit there and think that people would want to see the whole bullet, or at least different angles and how it is "stuck" in the hide.
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BS. If that’s all the bullet did, that one or any other ones fired at the same range wouldn’t kill squat.
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Hate to burst the bubble of all the Barnes-Bashers and Mall-Ninjas out there, but my shiny quarter says that the "Boolit" pictured, is Not a Barnes. Why you ask ? ?
1) Barnes have an "X" in their base ... dont see one in said photo 2) That bullet appears to have a machined boat-tail ... Barnes boat-tails are not machined. 3) The groves are too-sharply defined ... (also, machined with a bevel from the caliber diameter down to the groove diameter. Barnes don't . . . 4) The ratio of the width to the depth (of the groves) doesn't match with a Barnes. 5) The entire finish of the bullets exterior is "too smooth" ... looking more like a polished jackets finish. Under close examination, Barnes X-TSX-TTSX and LRX exteriors while not "coarse" .. are certainly not mirror like. Barnes (under 10x magnification) appear to have a fine orange-peel finish (like a 1980's factory Automotive paint job) .. or as if they were tumbled (with a handfull of machine nuts). - - - Carry-on - - -
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It may very well not be a barnes, but the pic isn't good enough to tell one way or another, including looking at the base, for me at least. It sure looks like a mono, but who the hell knows? The grooves look too far back on the shank and I suspect it has a 3rd groove hidden in the skin where GMX's only have 2 grooves (I believe) and the e-tips I have seen had no groove at all (some have a single ring, but not a groove). Cutting edge raptor or one of the other oddballs maybe? I still say barnes.
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There are no x marks on the bullet bases from the box of TTSX I just checked.
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I've got 9 recovered TSX bullets, none have an "X" on the bottom.
If there's enough energy to expand the projectile such that it sticks in the hide, it's going to penetrate beyond what the pic shows. If it's not expanded and just poked that hole, it'd fall right out the 1st time that muscle flexed it'd squirt out.
In '14 I shot an OLD rutting Mule Deer. 1st shot @ ~50yds got him through both lungs and he continued to chase his herd of does as if unfazed. 2nd shot he's going almost dead-away and I run a shot along the ribs, the bullet tumbles, and I found the projectile sticking out on the point of the front shoulder very much like the pic in the OP. I very much regret not getting a photo. I was excited to see a projectile I could recover and didn't think before I nabbed it. There was extensive "bruising" all along the ribs and front quarter as the bullet tumbled around along it's path so it was easy to follow the bullet's entry and almost/partial exit. I'm a "270 guy" and my hunting parter for that trip is a "30-06 guy". It's been 7yrs and we still laugh about how the .270 barely penetrates.
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Ya, it is strange.
I couldn't imagine that they wouldn't sit there and think that people would want to see the whole bullet, or at least different angles and how it is "stuck" in the hide. well it is Rinnella, and since most of his followers are millenial urbanites, who think support the 2A BUT!!!!!, they wouldnt know thedifference in a fak or real bullet if it was in their asses
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Ok ... Ya' made me do it ... off to the reloading room and examined a few boxes of "Boolits" on the the shelf, as I'm the Re-loadin Ho' ... for 5 or 6 fellow hunters.
These had an "X" on the base: .270 110gr TTSX 7mm 145 LRX .30 168 TSX .30 168 TTSX .30 175gr LRX .338 210 TTSX
No "X" on the base (generally early "X" bullets) 7mm 140 X 7mm 150 X .30 165 X .338 210 X .338 225 X - - - - Horse1: I had just a few recovered Barnes "X"'s siting on the shelf ... Most of them launched over the years (like the Energizer Bunny) exited and are still going .... and going ....
One was a 225gr X fired from a Whopper-stopper .340 W-Bee ... removed from a Very-dead Elk (420 yds) ... ventilated both shoulder blades and stopped against the offside skin. It looks like a Poster child for a Barnes Bullet Ad ... No "X" on the base.
and a .30 cal 168 gr (early X) ... fired from a .300 W-Bee at close range (65 yards), that smacked a small buck at a very a shallow angle. He was feeding downhill, facing nearly straight away. I had a steady rest with my left hand solidly against a Fir tree ... He brought his head up ... ID'ed as a Buck, head went back down ... caressed the trigger ... he slumped to the ground. On dressing him out, the bullet entered behind the last rib, took out 5 or 6 ribs going forward, through the chest, into the neck, bi-sected the spine ... stopped by the skin on the far-side of the neck ... approx 32 inches of penetration. No "X" on that base. - - - Silver_Bullet
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Could that bullet have passed through another animal and then been "caught" by the hide of an animal (this one) standing behind it?
Obviously the offside hide on a lot of critters is what stops many projectiles...so theoretically, one could have just enough oomph to barely get through the backside hide, travel another couple feet, and then get stopped by another hide?
Seems to me that the frontside hide of a second animal could work the same way as the backside of the first, even if it "trampolines" differently.
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Could that bullet have passed through another animal and then been "caught" by the hide of an animal (this one) standing behind it?
Obviously the offside hide on a lot of critters is what stops many projectiles...so theoretically, one could have just enough oomph to barely get through the backside hide, travel another couple feet, and then get stopped by another hide?
Seems to me that the frontside hide of a second animal could work the same way as the backside of the first, even if it "trampolines" differently. It's a new bullet, it a fake pic, someone is trying to pull a prank on a Barnes bullet Believer.
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May have already shot through one and lodged in the other.
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One of only a couple of TSX bullets I've ever recovered. 184 lb Axis (live weight) Shot at +/- 75 yds. 140 Gr. TSX out of a 7mm-08 @ +/-2,800 FPS, IIRC (velocity). Entered the left front shoulder. I found the bullet under the hide on the right flank. I'd say at least +/- 36" penetration. Ya! GWB Shoot more. You will find more.
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Had the exact same thing happen to me. Bullet just tumbled inside the deer and the hide caught the petals. Ballistic Tip if I remember correctly.
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Could have been de bullet tumbling upon exiting, due to the loss of angular speed, the base breaking through the skin, and the bullet being trapped by the wide mushroom.
I have seen it twice, once with a TSX and the second time with a RN Core Lokt.
This is what I think as well. Happened to me as well.,,,but not with a 243 which is rather a piss poor caliber for oryx
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Poached off Rinellas Instagram, pretty interesting... Or said animal was shot in the chest facing killer? How many inches did it [bleep] up? That thing penetrated 6' OF ANIMAL! haha haha. Ya! Spring bear yo!
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Hell ya chuck!! Few more weeks. I’ve got a pocket full of Remington extractors, 3 extra leupolds, 5 extra sets of talleys and 2 extra trigger techs for when the Ol walker trigger fails!! 😂😂
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