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If God gave me free will and I spent my days exercising this will by proving I don't want to be saved, or go to heaven, or whatever....
Then why would He override the sum of my choices to save me against my true desires just because my frivolous, emotional, lying lips said some magic bullshit that some of you say will get me saved.
I'm calling bullshit on that concept. Actions speak louder than words and I'm sick of seeing so called Christians talk the talk without doing their level best to walk the walk.
Jesus called these people hypocrites and made it clear they wouldn't get "saved."
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If you say you are saved, are you guilty of passing judgement?
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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If God gave me free will and I spent my days exercising this will by proving I don't want to be saved, or go to heaven, or whatever....
Then why would He override the sum of my choices to save me against my true desires just because my frivolous, emotional, lying lips said some magic bullshit that some of you say will get me saved.
I'm calling bullshit on that concept. Actions speak louder than words and I'm sick of seeing so called Christians talk the talk without doing their level best to walk the walk.
Jesus called these people hypocrites and made it clear they wouldn't get "saved." Scripture, please. HE did say that if one didnt want to go to Heaven they wouldnt.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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I was. Grew up Wednesday evening, Sunday Morning, Sunday evening at church til I was 18. Truly believed, as only a naive child with no life experiences to draw from and a charmed family life can believe. Then I turned 18, left home, traveled, experienced the world through open eyes. It took probably 10 years to admit to myself, much less anyone else, that I’d lost my faith, completely. Funny enough, mostly because of fear of heavenly reprisal. As cynical as I’ve became, I don’t possibly see how I could return to a life of blind faith. I find death bed conversions ridiculous.
Funny part is I actually have a “spiritual” side, just can’t commit to believing any one take on it. The only faith you've "lost" is that in people in general. This leaves faith "taught" by people in question. There are a lot of nutcases, shysters and investers involved in the God business. The only people who need them are those who actually have no faith.
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No one is beyond the saving Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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I learned to save myself, swim or paddle across the current and don't fight it.
hallelujah...
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Interesting how some religious denominations put huge emphasis on the need to be saved and others hardly even mention it.
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I learned to save myself, swim or paddle across the current and don't fight it.
hallelujah...
mike r God bless. Amen.
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I was. Grew up Wednesday evening, Sunday Morning, Sunday evening at church til I was 18. Truly believed, as only a naive child with no life experiences to draw from and a charmed family life can believe. Then I turned 18, left home, traveled, experienced the world through open eyes. It took probably 10 years to admit to myself, much less anyone else, that I’d lost my faith, completely. Funny enough, mostly because of fear of heavenly reprisal. As cynical as I’ve became, I don’t possibly see how I could return to a life of blind faith. I find death bed conversions ridiculous.
Funny part is I actually have a “spiritual” side, just can’t commit to believing any one take on it. Many are lost to satan after leaving home and attending college. There are several ways folks are led to eat from the tree of knowledge. Eve believed in God. She knew HIM, but she couldnt obey Him who loved her and made her in his image, because she was a woman, and HE was a Him.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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If God gave me free will and I spent my days exercising this will by proving I don't want to be saved, or go to heaven, or whatever....
Then why would He override the sum of my choices to save me against my true desires just because my frivolous, emotional, lying lips said some magic bullshit that some of you say will get me saved.
I'm calling bullshit on that concept. Actions speak louder than words and I'm sick of seeing so called Christians talk the talk without doing their level best to walk the walk.
Jesus called these people hypocrites and made it clear they wouldn't get "saved." He won’t save you against your will. He’s offered the gift but it is up to you to accept. He will not be deceived by words. He knows your heart. I agree that actions do speak loudly. True, we are saved by faith and not by works. Still, once one confesses that Christ is Lord, it SHOULD show in one’s life. Jesus said to love God with all your heart, mind, body and strength. Also, to love your neighbor as yourself. If we did more of that, we’d look a lot better to those “on the fence”. Best wishes in your walk.
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I had a guy in an airport tell me one time if I sat and read the back of a card he had with him I'd go to heaven no matter what I did in the future.
I asked him if Hitler read that card once does that mean he's saved? Didn't really get an answer but I was really interested. He said the only way to be saved was to read it.
I then asked him if everyone who had ever lived had a chance to read it and he said of course not. I then said that doesn't sound very fair. He then got pissed and left. I should of just told him I was LDS. That really makes their heads spin.
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Who is “saved” will only be determined at God’s Judgment, according to the Bible. Folks can quote their favorite Bible version “proof texts” till the cows come home, but God says in His Scriptures that ALL people will be “judged by their actions”; not whether they “believe” in something, or attend “church” or “tithe” regularly. If I remember correctly, Jesus says at least 7 times in the book of Revelation ALONE, that “I will judge you according to your ACTIONS”. That tells me that all the fake-azz “Christians” that pretend, are self-righteous, and are hypocrites are gonna face a reckoning they will not enjoy. On the flip-side, many of GOOD, honest, caring and generous people that are not pretenders will be rewarded. I’m sure now I will get verbally assaulted by the “saved” crowd
Smith and Wessons are Thoroughbreds; Rugers are Clydesdales —John Taffin
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If a God of Love, by definition and nature of love, everyone is saved.
Character flaws, sociopaths, etc, are generally either genetic, shaped by an interaction of both, environment and genes.
Motivated by love, an omniscient/omnipotent God could easily repair the most broken of all individuals.
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Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
Even the sins of this wretch have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb.
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Interesting how some religious denominations put huge emphasis on the need to be saved and others hardly even mention it. That is true. Says a lot about how institutions can become self perpetuating, ignoring their original reason for existence. The spreading of the good news of the grace of God in Christ is the reason the Church exists. Some have forgotten that and live on like a country club or do-gooders association like Rotary. Others, in sundry ways and styles, still boldly proclaim that offensive message that in spite of our sin God has been working throughout history to reconcile for Himself a people through the sacrifice of His Son. That’s after over 2,000 years. Pretty amazing. God is good.
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Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. Psalm 107:2
So!
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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