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do you have your own range Hawk? oh nevermind I was curious about your ability to set metric range targets... but then reread your post...
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they have fluted chambers, so don't like reloads.
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When it comes to weapons, there are good reasons the world admires German engineering.
Indeed. West Germany actually wanted to adopt the FN FAL, but Belgium was still holding a grudge against them for WWII and wouldn't license a factory in West Germany to make them, so they decided to adopt the G3, which had already been adopted by Spain in the form of the CETME rifle (essentially identical). They built a factory and started making them. It was German engineers who developed it for Spain in the first place.
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they have fluted chambers, so don't like reloads. Yep. I discovered that when I tried to reload for my H&K 91 back in the 1980s.
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You will enjoy that rifle. My clone was produced by JLD, Jose Louis Diaz. He sold his original PTR company to the current owners after some financial problems. This one has the Wilson barrel and it's dressed out like a HK SG-1. It has never had a hiccup...ever.
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You will enjoy that rifle. My clone was produced by JLD, Jose Louis Valdez. He sold his original PTR company to the current owners after some financial problems. This one has the Wilson barrel and it's dressed out like a HK SG-1. It has never had a hiccup...ever. Sweet!
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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You will enjoy that rifle. My clone was produced by JLD, Jose Louis Valdez. He sold his original PTR company to the current owners after some financial problems. This one has the Wilson barrel and it's dressed out like a HK SG-1. It has never had a hiccup...ever. Very nicely accessorized. How accurate is it with the scope? Did you do any smithing on the inside?
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[/quote]Very nicely accessorized. How accurate is it with the scope? Did you do any smithing on the inside?[/quote] The only thing I have done on the inside is replacing the rollers with larger ones. "Bolt Gap" is critical on these guns, by installing two new +4 rollers my bolt gap is in the sweet spot. If my aging memory serves me the gap is .016. Accuracy is never going to approach a quality bolt gun, however I have kept everything in a 6" circle at 100 yards. It's a functional battle rifle that will shoot and shoot and shoot under unfavorable conditions. It's so heavy you can't imagine. I did install a shell deflector. I can dump a 20 round magazine in under 5 seconds. I don't recommend it, however you can do it.
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Bastids😆. I always wanted one, that and a FAL to go with my M1a.
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[/quote]Very nicely accessorized. How accurate is it with the scope? Did you do any smithing on the inside? The only thing I have done on the inside is replacing the rollers with larger ones. "Bolt Gap" is critical on these guns, by installing two new +4 rollers my bolt gap is in the sweet spot. If my aging memory serves me the gap is .016. Accuracy is never going to approach a quality bolt gun, however I have kept everything in a 6" circle at 100 yards. It's a functional battle rifle that will shoot and shoot and shoot under unfavorable conditions. It's so heavy you can't imagine. I did install a shell deflector. I can dump a 20 round magazine in under 5 seconds. I don't recommend it, however you can do it. [/quote] Thanks for sharing. That's a real nice battle rifle that would rival any AK for reliability. Glad you and Hawkeye are enjoying those. The G3 was on top of my wish list years ago. This is no less a quality battle rifle.
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When it comes to weapons, there are good reasons the world admires German engineering.
Indeed. West Germany actually wanted to adopt the FN FAL, but Belgium was still holding a grudge against them for WWII and wouldn't license a factory in West Germany to make them, so they decided to adopt the G3, which had already been adopted by Spain in the form of the CETME rifle (essentially identical). They built a factory and started making them. It was German engineers who developed it for Spain in the first place. Excellent choice for WOROL. Know for top quality and reliability. May you aquire plenty of cheap ammo to have some fun .
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Just to clarify, I've had this rifle for about ten years. I've got tons of ammo for it, purchased when it was cheap in bulk.
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Ok. I had the wrong idea stuck in my mind that it might have been a new purchase. Lots of ammo = good times + freedom
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It is funny. Is it that they don't shoot reloads or that you can't reload the empties from the HK 91? I did both and some of that brass still shoots from my Steyr Scout just fine. Using 165 SP seconds from the factory second store at Sierra in Sedalia, MO. The 91 went away but the brass lives on. They have lines on them but shoot just fine. So what problems have you had? Specifically? Be Well, RZ.
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When it comes to weapons, there are good reasons the world admires German engineering.
Indeed. West Germany actually wanted to adopt the FN FAL, but Belgium was still holding a grudge against them for WWII and wouldn't license a factory in West Germany to make them, so they decided to adopt the G3, which had already been adopted by Spain in the form of the CETME rifle (essentially identical). They built a factory and started making them. It was German engineers who developed it for Spain in the first place. the cetme is a pretty good rifle. i laughed when they first came in in semiauto form. then the parts kits were being sold with the go fast stuff in them. oh yeah
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It is funny. Is it that they don't shoot reloads or that you can't reload the empties from the HK 91? I did both and some of that brass still shoots from my Steyr Scout just fine. Using 165 SP seconds from the factory second store at Sierra in Sedalia, MO. The 91 went away but the brass lives on. They have lines on them but shoot just fine. So what problems have you had? Specifically? Be Well, RZ. i had casings get stuck in the chamber, which was fluted. also told by the gunsmith who fixed it if i was to reload use a narrow or small base sizer. once fired and throw away was a better deal. mine would shoot the reloads and get stuck. so i never reloaded for it.
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Just to clarify, I've had this rifle for about ten years. I've got tons of ammo for it, purchased when it was cheap in bulk. there was a time when you could buy 1000rd case for about 140bucks. i was buying a should holster from a guy for a walther p6 and he mentioned filling a garage with it. wife was totally pizzed. until he started selling it for about 700 a case. my problem would have been never reselling it.
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The spent case rims acquire a sharp burr when ejected. The rubber shell deflector doesn't solve the issue. A little touch up with a file and they are acceptable for reloading. Years ago I purchased over 1000 rounds of spent brass, all Lake City head stamped. They were salvaged from Ft. Carson, probably fired through machine guns. The brass cases require the use of a RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Tool. It sets up on a Rock Chucker press and it removes the military primer crimp enabling re-priming. The stripes on the spent cases are more of a visual thing, burnt powder shadows caused by the flutes in the chamber. I use a case gauge to cull the rejects after re-sizing and loading. The PTR digests the rejects without issue, but in a bolt gun there would be difficulty closing the bolt. I use a tumbler with water, Dawn dish soap, stainless steel pins and a dash of "Lemi-Shine" and the spent cases come out very clean inside and out. The use of a "Bolt head Removal Tool" ($20) allows for much easier disassembly for thorough cleaning, but these guns run dirty. I haven't fired mine in years but this thread has rekindled my desire to give it another test run.
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It is funny. Is it that they don't shoot reloads or that you can't reload the empties from the HK 91? I did both and some of that brass still shoots from my Steyr Scout just fine. Using 165 SP seconds from the factory second store at Sierra in Sedalia, MO. The 91 went away but the brass lives on. They have lines on them but shoot just fine. So what problems have you had? Specifically? Be Well, RZ. Satisfactory resizing (for easy chamber insertion/extraction) was more challenging, as I recall.
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