Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What about the VAERS data on CoV2 vaccines?

I posted this on the other thread, but figured it's worth promulgating to a few more folks than the argumentative sonsabitches that want to fight on that thread. Like my previous post today, I am putting it up on a take-it-or-leave-it basis, and I don't give a flying feck if you want to argue with me about it, and I ain't gonna reply to any questions or comments.

I've posted some good sources for data that you can look at if you have a mind to. If, however, you subscribe to the common belief around here that your opinion is just as good if based on ignorance and myth as the opinion of people who are educated in the field and have some experience, feel free to ignore the facts and flame away.





In the first place, I don't know "why". I can only guess, which is about all you can do, as well.

The swine flu vaccine debacle in 1976, looked back at through the retrospectoscope, was a huge political boondoggle. Frankly, I missed it at the time, and had to do some reading to find out what all the fuss was about. Turns out that one (1) U.S. serviceman died from swine flu, and a bunch of politically ambitious scientists convinced some critters in Congress that this was sufficient cause to initiate the greatest mass vaccination effort since ever. You likely know all about it, but for those who don't, here's a link with a short summary: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/. There are some other links you can access through that article to get some more detailed articles if you care to.

The gist of it was that 1976 was an election year, and a whole bunch of politicians tried to use the swine flu scare and the vaccination program to gain votes. Then a bunch of other folks who were opposed to this first group made hay with some statistics about deaths from Guillain-Barre disease that they attributed to the swine flu vaccine, and raised a helluva ruckus about it that caused such a public relations backlash that Congress and the FDA and god knows who else decided to scrap the whole program.

The incidence of G-B in the general population was about 1 in 100,000 at that time (still is), and in the vaccinated population it appeared to be about 2 in 100,000. Pretty small numbers, and with such a rare disease, the statistical significance of the "jump" was, well, insignificant. But it was played up in the press, and by politicians in Washington, to the point that Americans were scared to death of the vaccine.

Sounds pretty much deja vu, all over again, huh?

The result of this debacle was twofold: 1) it created the "antivax" culture almost overnight, and that culture continues to spin and spin and spin; and 2) it created a much tougher approach in public health authorities to dealing with potential vaccine complications, which in part counterbalances the antivaxxers' paranoia. The general public, generally ignorant of science in all things more complex than being able to misquote Newton's first law of thermodynamics, has been caught between the two extremes ever since and the more or less general public mistrust of vaccine programs stems from this.

But let's look at the SARS-CoV2 vaccine associated problems, and see where it compares. First thing, I'm gonna call b u l l s h i t your "VAERS-reported 9000 deaths". The VAERS database is a list of ANYthing bad that happens to ANYone within a specified time period of getting a vaccine. There is no implication of causation in the VAERS database. It's just a pool of numbers to look at. And the CDC is currently reporting the number of deaths on the list at 6207, not 9000, as of July 21 (https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/covid-19-vaccine-related-fatalities-updated). Second thing, let's look at the VAERS pool of data and compare to the general population for some supposed "adverse effects" of the vaccine.

I've picked out a couple-three examples from the literature we can look at: 1) the risk of "blood clots", which everybody thinks they know about but don't, which the CDC specifies as thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS); 2) Guillain-Barre Syndrome, previously mentioned; and 3) cardiomyopathy/pericarditis syndromes. You can look these up on the CDC website here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

1)TTS There have been 39 confirmed cases of TTS in recipients of the J&J vaccine (13+ million doses given) and 2 cases of TTS in recipients of mRNA vaccines (324 million doses given). This translates into a risk ration of 0.3 per 100,000 population and 0.0062 per 100K. Now, it's tough to compare that to the risk of TTS in the general population at large, because TTS comprises several syndromes that come under other names; but the best estimate I've found comes from here: [ https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-04-23/06-COVID-Oliver-508.pdf ] and this author cites the incidence at about 0.7-1.6 per million, or 0.07-0.16 per 100,000. So this tells us that the rate of TTS in recipients of J&J vaccine appears to be about twice as high as in the general population, but with Pfizer/Moderna it's 1/10 the risk in the general population. But you have to concede that the risk is very small in any of these.

By way of comparison, the majority of intensive care deaths due to SARS-CoV2 have a blood-clotting failure problem to them (either hypercoagulability or hypcoagulability). Using Worldometer's estimate of US Crude Mortality Rate [ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ ], which is 238 per 100,000 population, this means that your risk of death from TTS from taking the vaccine is about 1/800 the risk of you dying from COVID.

2) Guillain-Barre Syndrome We have covered this one to some degree in the previous discussion of swine flu. The risk in the general population is about 1-2 per 100,000, depending on which source you cite. What about the risk of GBS from one of the CoV2 vaxes?

Well, there have been "about 100" cases of GBS in folks who've received the J&J vaccine (risk of 0.77 per 100K), and I'm not finding a number for the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, but it's supposed to be "much lower" than the J&J. Soooo... we see that your chances of developing GBS without vaccines of any kind is 1-2/100K, and with J&J is slightly less than that. [ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html ]

Not exactly a ringing indictment of the vaccine, again.

3) Cardiomyopathy/Pericarditis Now this is a bit trickier, because these syndromes are not fatal very often, but they really do mess with you for a period of a few weeks to a few months. Now, the incidence of all VAERS-reported cases for ALL the vaccines is 674, and we're talking about 337 million doses of the vaccine. This puts the risk at 0.2 per 100K.

Compare this to a general population risk of 27.7 per 100K for pericarditis, and 10-22 per 100K for viral cardiomyopathy. Let's average that out to 20 per 100K, which is 100X higher than the identified risk with the vaccine.

So: in summary, while I can't definitively tell you why the swine flu vaccine was recalled, I have shown you here that the risks of dying from the vaccine are measurably much lower than the risks of dying from the fecking disease you are able to get vaccinated against.

Does that answer your question, Ralph?






I ain't a lawyer. Go ask a lawyer.

But I will point out that we have treatments for Herpes zoster (shingles) that work real well, as you know. You treated me for shingles about 8 years ago, remember? I'm pretty grateful for that, too. Your quick action saved my left eye, man.

But since then they came out with a vaccine against Zoster, and you can be damned sure I took it at the first opportunity, because it's proven to reduce my risk of getting shingles again. It wasn't illegal to develop the Zoster vaccine for the same reason it's not illegal to develop a vaccine against any other infectious disease.





Again, I ain't a lawyer. Go ask a lawyer.

But I am really leery about this one. I think there needs to be a lot more safety testing before we release this on kids. And the reasoning behind that is really complex, much more complex than the reasoning I've put up above.

To give a personal note, I am vaccinated, as is my wife, as are all 3 of my adult kids. My 2 granddaughters, however, aged 3 and 4, will NOT be vaccinated until I and their mothers are a helluva lot more convinced of the safety in peds population than we are now.

Have a great day, Ralph. I hope we can go dove hunting soon.

I would suggest that anyone who has been vaccinated and has had problems likely due to the vaccine report it to VAERS.

Those who report are believed to be 1%-10% of the people who actually encounter problems.

Again, Thank you.

I still don't like the attempts to force the vaccines on anyone, but that's not a safety issue.

Thanks, Doc Rocket

Thanks, Doc R, I thought i had recently seen that 9000 number.

Still, i did read where a Harvard study found that only about 1% or so of VAERS cases are listed.

Dr Richard Bartlett also confirmed to me that approximate figure.

His tx of patients with Budesonide (Budesonideworks.com) was confirmed as effective early COVID-19 tx by Oxford Univ a few months ago.

Iirc he was on the Texas Govs Health Care Task Force for about 17 years.

He also covers ER work some werkends in Lubbock and has testified in the Tulsa and other Health Care forums with Mike Lindell and Gen Flynn.

He is adamant in saying the C-19 injections are not true Vaccines and explains why.

Also, he is not an antivaxer but is anti COVID-19 vax and has dealt with many patients suffering adverse reactions from them.
As such he was the first dr testifying to the Texas Senate on them and the dangers associated with them.

I will, at present, rely on 400 mg Hydroxychloroquine prophylaxis tx/week until the FDA clears the vaccines as my neigbor suffer 5 days of illness after her jab and my old 45 yo female optician was violently ill for 2 days afterward.

My brother and CRNA, FNP sister who has intubated probably 50 patients in a border hospital and medicated them until beds could be foujd for them in San Antonio were dxed with COVID-19 and ill and responded almost immediately to tx with Hydroxychloroquine, and the Accutrimets.

They swallow anything told so research and science is MEANINGLESS.

THE REASON EVERYTHING WITH THEM COMES DOWN TO ABORTION LAWS IS IF THEY CAN DENY A FETUS IS A HUMAN, THEY CAN PUSH ANY OTHER FAIRYTALE.

Fauci lied about masks, the need to stop Chyna flights, efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine, gain of function research and the financing of it and as a result, many died needlessly.

He defended our Chyna "friends" and the WHO until who reported kids dont need the vax. Now he says they do.

He and the DNC, MSM and Rinos and Biden want me to take the jab.

Why? Its not to help me.

He also lied indicating those who had had the Covid still needed the jab when top virologists disagreed.

He also lied when saying that we may need another jab because of variants when top virologists disagree.

The lying [bleep] at CDC told us we had 38-56 million cases of flu winter of 18-19 and only 1822 cases the following flu season.

The inventor of the nasal swab says it was not designed to test only for C19.
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Now the CDC says we need a [bleep] test that differentiates between C19 and other SARS and Corona viruses.

U F R.

23 studies showed Hydroxychloroquine worked but those are blocked by the MSM and AMA as was Rxs for Hydroxychloroquine in the height of the crap unless a patient had already been on it for lupus or RA.

Fauci lied saying it was dangerous when its sold otc in some African countries for malaria.

I took 2 patients off it in 20 years of testing pts for retinal signs of Hydroxychloroquine toxicity every six mo and they had taken 400 mg/day for over 8 year and 10 years.

One was a small lady who should have been on reduced dosage due to her weight instead of on 400 mg.

I'm guessing ''vaccine'' deaths and adverse events are under reported about in the same ratio as sexual assault (very few reported), while Corona deaths pre-vaccine were attributed to Corona if there was any tenuous connection whatsoever. This obviously done to feed the panic and frenzy. I'm just terribly sorry President Trump got caught up in it and agreed to lock downs instead of forbidding them as best he could on a federal level.

Are you a doctor ? There is a lineage of Quinine synthetic that is very dangerous, it was developed in the 1970’s by the Army. Starts with an “M” and has big side effects. This is how they are confusing people with propaganda.

Its like comparing celebrex with aspirin because they are both nsaids

Copy of phone text to me from Dr R Bartlett.

Just got this-
Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 28, a total of 294,801 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 5,165 deaths — an increase of 759 over the previous week. There were 25,359 serious injuries reported, up 3,822 compared with last week.

This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show
    •    4,740 total adverse events, including 117 rated as serious and four reported deaths among 12 to 17-year-olds. The youngest deaths reported include two 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918and 1242573), a 16-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1225942) and one 17-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1199455). There were other reported deaths in children under 17 that could not be confirmed or contained obvious errors.
    •    635 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to17-year-olds with 97% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 2% to Moderna and 0.31% (or two cases) to J&J.
    •    40 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) all attributed to Pfizer’s COVID vaccine.
    •    16 reports of blood clotting disorders, all attributed to Pfizer.

Thanks for the insight doc. Our resident virologists may disagree.


mike r

Answer my question

So, all in all,

mRNA Transcription Capacity

Evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein can Integrate into human DNA.


Image to the right shows mRNA getting into brain cells

Using the Reverse Transcriptase (RT) found in human platelets, CD4 (Helper Cells) and other cells carrying Long Interspersed Nuclear Elements (LINE-1); or by the HIV-RT. Research has shown that SARS-CoV-2 mRNA can insert itself into human DNA


LINE-1 averages 6,000 base pairs (bp) and comprises approximately 17% of human DNA


80 -100 of these LINE-1 segments are known to retro transpose leading to insertions, deletions, and rearrangement of genetic material.

https://www.flemingmethod.com/