Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles Is there a do it all optic for an M4?

Different people have different uses for their ARs. I'm sure the number of of people who have it for defense against undesirable elements far outweigh those who only shoot if from a solid benchrest for groups.

I find a LPVO with illumination to be about as good as it gets for a do it all. I like red dots as well, but they don’t offer flexibility like a LPVO.

At 1x you can run it like a red dot, or side mount a rmr/ iron sights if that’s your thing

Go to 6x and you can reach out to your rifles capable distance.

Recce style is very handy for a do it all

It's tough to see the leadership try to gloss over it.

My eyes are getting old too. I need that diopter adjustment. The 3X is plenty for 500 yards+, on torso size targets. I also have 5X and 1X examples on other uppers, also 1-6X LPVO. The 3X isn't a bad compromise.

I was a Combat Medic assigned to the Scouts. It was hard to watch.

I've been trying to stay away from PA or other Chinese optics but I must admit that reticle is very tempting. Seems so easy even a Caveman could use it. I've thought about throw a 4.5-14 ACSS on my STG-58 clone.

Who mentioned “torso” type precision?

Those are not leaders. Those are politicians in uniforms.

Much to the distress of us all.

With an lpvo would there still be an issue of eye relief even at 1x?

LOL

I need minute of woodchuck type precision. Apologies for not posting a picture of one with ten holes in it.

Anyone have experience with a prism scope that has a generous eye relief? On most of the specs I see, the eye relief seems awfully close.

I'm curious if the prism scopes are really an alternative to red dots for those of us with astigmatism.

Training bleeds over. I don't have time to train specifically for fighting. Getting enough revolver time in to maintain point shooting is challenge enough.

Most of my rifle use is with a telescopic sight. So my main AR has a LPVO. Prefer simple and illuminated.

If you really want a red dot, look at models with shaped dots or reticles. The filters on some cut the starburst off. Or look at the cheap ones that have thick reflective coating. Same deal.

I’m in that boat too. I’m looking for something for 0-300 yards for a MSR.

I was very surprised I could reliably hit a 2/3’d sized silhouette in the chest at 300 yards with my Aimpoint PRO. I’m 57 and have astigmatism yet once I tried it, I could aim at the forehead and drill the chest every time. Granted the 2 moa dot covered the whole head but it was very doable.

Where I use the LPVO is basically the same distance, though I’ve shot to 700 yards on the same 2/3rd sized plates I like the visual confirmation I get before I pull the trigger.

Either is a good option but again, are your targets going to be close and moving or far away and hiding?

If I had to choose just one, give me a LPVO but don’t underestimate the red dot.

I have horrible astigmatism and I noticed the red dots were completely sharp if used with a multiplier. Can't explain the optical reason why but it was like night and day. Not sure that setup would add any value over a prism scope. Might be better eye relief though.

The trick I learned was when speed is needed and needed now, I don't care if the dot is blooming. When more precision is needed and you have time, look through your peep sight and the dot appears as a normal dot.

I need to break down and try a magnifier.

That's a pretty good argument. For close in target where minute of salad plate is hopefully good enough, a little fuzz with just the red dot might be okay. If you have a multiplier you can flip into place, you can have a more crisp picture for further out. Guess it depends on each person. My bad astigmatism made looking through a red dot close to unusable.

The magnifier has eye relief and focus like a normal scope. It’s the same reason you can adjust a scope enough to account for vision impairment, though it won’t work for someone with 20/20 at that point.