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I like you JSTUART but you sure as shiet have your own issue's down under.
My word we do...but insurrection is not one of them. Mainly as our electoral system works and we have a decent standard of living, couple that with a low crime rate and we get by. That said, the coppers in Victoria are seen by most to be as crooked as the labor party...and drug use is common. But mostly we do not have even a fraction of your issues...which is in my opinion an indictment on a system that encourages foreign infiltration and lawlessness whilst stultifying and repressing citizens.
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I like you JSTUART but you sure as shiet have your own issue's down under.
My word we do...but insurrection is not one of them. Mainly as our electoral system works and we have a decent standard of living, couple that with a low crime rate and we get by. That said, the coppers in Victoria are seen by most to be as crooked as the labor party...and drug use is common. But mostly we do not have even a fraction of your issues...which is in my opinion an indictment on a system that encourages foreign infiltration and lawlessness whilst stultifying and repressing citizens. Noted. And I hope that your electoral system remains uncorrupted (unlike ours). I wish you and yours well.
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Noted. And I hope that your electoral system remains uncorrupted (unlike ours). I wish you and yours well.
Here is hoping it does...but I think the major reason ours plugs along in the same general direction is that we are happy to crucify any politician that steps out of line, we relish the chance to stick it to them. You reward your crooks.
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Noted. And I hope that your electoral system remains uncorrupted (unlike ours). I wish you and yours well.
Here is hoping it does...but I think the major reason ours plugs along in the same general direction is that we are happy to crucify any politician that steps out of line, we relish the chance to stick it to them. You reward your crooks. As much as I don't like it........ Word.
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I'll post some of the things they highlighted from the act in the video:
[powers of the emergency minister]
(a) put into operation any emergency plan or program that the minister considers appropriate; (b) authorize or require a local authority to put into effect any emergency plan for the municipality; (c) assume direction and control of the emergency response of a local authority; (d) acquire or utilize any real or personal property that the minister considers necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency; ... (f) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of Saskatchewan; ... (i) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of persons or live stock and personal property from any area of Saskatchewan that is or may be affected by an emergency and make arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those persons or live stock and of the personal property; (j) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan; ... (l) procure or fix prices for food, clothing, fuel, equipment, medical supplies or other essential supplies and the use of any property, services, resources or equipment within any part of Saskatchewan during the emergency period; 12 c. E-8.1 EMERGENCY PLANNING (l.1) cause information to be collected, used or disclosed that the minister is satisfied is necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects ofthe emergency and for no other purpose; (m) conscript persons needed to meet an emergency; and (n) do all acts and take all proceedings that are reasonably necessary to meet the emergency.
[powers of the local authority]
(ii) acquire or utilize any real or personal property that the local authority considers necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency; ... (iv) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of the municipality; ... (vii) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of persons or live stock and personal property from any area of the municipality that is or may be affected by an emergency and make arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those persons or live stock and of the personal property; (viii) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person when necessary for the implementation of an emergency plan; ... (xi) do all acts and take all proceedings that are reasonably necessary to meet the local emergency; and (b) of an emergency declaration pursuant to section 17 and during the emergency period, the local authority may: (i) cause any emergency plan to be put into operation; and (ii) exercise any power given to the minister pursuant to subsection18(1) in relation to the part of the municipality affected by the declaration.
So, it pretty much grants total monarchical authority to the emergency minister. Warrantless entry, seizure of property, forced evacuation of people, total control of travel, fix prices, and to do all acts they consider necessary.
I notice that most of the provisions have been in the act since at least 1989. During recent wildfires, we saw here in the US a lot of the same powers utilized. Forced evacuations, warrantless entry on private property, seizure of property (temporarily), control of travel through road closures... It's easy to imagine more or less benign applications of such powers. The fact that the act spells out such powers so carelessly is probably more an indication of a lack of skill and determination in crafting limitations to the powers without unduly hindering practical use. Long-running "emergencies" like a pandemic theoretically empower ministers or local authorities to absurd degrees, but its not clear that was the nefarious intention of the act and there is no indication that they could exercise such powers without the accountability that any other government act would be subject to. The act doesn't magically suspend higher law. It seems more likely that taking it out of context just makes for good scare-mongering. If that's the case, then those people that talk about it so seriously for more than 20 minutes are pitiful.
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I'll post some of the things they highlighted from the act in the video:
[powers of the emergency minister]
(a) put into operation any emergency plan or program that the minister considers appropriate; (b) authorize or require a local authority to put into effect any emergency plan for the municipality; (c) assume direction and control of the emergency response of a local authority; (d) acquire or utilize any real or personal property that the minister considers necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency; ... (f) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of Saskatchewan; ... (i) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of persons or live stock and personal property from any area of Saskatchewan that is or may be affected by an emergency and make arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those persons or live stock and of the personal property; (j) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan; ... (l) procure or fix prices for food, clothing, fuel, equipment, medical supplies or other essential supplies and the use of any property, services, resources or equipment within any part of Saskatchewan during the emergency period; 12 c. E-8.1 EMERGENCY PLANNING (l.1) cause information to be collected, used or disclosed that the minister is satisfied is necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects ofthe emergency and for no other purpose; (m) conscript persons needed to meet an emergency; and (n) do all acts and take all proceedings that are reasonably necessary to meet the emergency.
[powers of the local authority]
(ii) acquire or utilize any real or personal property that the local authority considers necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency; ... (iv) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of the municipality; ... (vii) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of persons or live stock and personal property from any area of the municipality that is or may be affected by an emergency and make arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those persons or live stock and of the personal property; (viii) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person when necessary for the implementation of an emergency plan; ... (xi) do all acts and take all proceedings that are reasonably necessary to meet the local emergency; and (b) of an emergency declaration pursuant to section 17 and during the emergency period, the local authority may: (i) cause any emergency plan to be put into operation; and (ii) exercise any power given to the minister pursuant to subsection18(1) in relation to the part of the municipality affected by the declaration.
So, it pretty much grants total monarchical authority to the emergency minister. Warrantless entry, seizure of property, forced evacuation of people, total control of travel, fix prices, and to do all acts they consider necessary.
I notice that most of the provisions have been in the act since at least 1989. During recent wildfires, we saw here in the US a lot of the same powers utilized. Forced evacuations, warrantless entry on private property, seizure of property (temporarily), control of travel through road closures... It's easy to imagine more or less benign applications of such powers. The fact that the act spells out such powers so carelessly is probably more an indication of a lack of skill and determination in crafting limitations to the powers without unduly hindering practical use. Long-running "emergencies" like a pandemic theoretically empower ministers or local authorities to absurd degrees, but its not clear that was the nefarious intention of the act and there is no indication that they could exercise such powers without the accountability that any other government act would be subject to. The act doesn't magically suspend higher law. It seems more likely that taking it out of context just makes for good scare-mongering. If that's the case, then those people that talk about it so seriously for more than 20 minutes are pitiful.
Sounds a lot like the war powers act which Commonwealth countries only enact in times of war. Someone is dotting their I's and crossing their T's.
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You're going to wait too, aint you.
Don't have to as we elected a conservative government, and we sure as shooting don't have your issues. Must suck to have nowhere to go. I suppose that same government is letting you folks have your guns back?
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The two twats in the video couldn't analyse legal language if their lives depended on it.
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You're going to wait too, aint you.
Don't have to as we elected a conservative government, and we sure as shooting don't have your issues. Must suck to have nowhere to go. I suppose that same government is letting you folks have your guns back? Yep...you know all about it...you caught us you wily yank you.
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Good for Australia! Curious what would happen in Australia if you had the same immigration laws as the US and share a border with third world nation of narco terrorists and imported 4 million immigrants from west Africa. lol Only thing saving Aussies is you live on a very remote island and have and enforce very strict immigration laws, take in very very few refugees and are a very white non diverse country like NZ . Not criticizing btw
I like you JSTUART but you sure as shiet have your own issue's down under.
My word we do...but insurrection is not one of them. Mainly as our electoral system works and we have a decent standard of living, couple that with a low crime rate and we get by. That said, the coppers in Victoria are seen by most to be as crooked as the labor party...and drug use is common. But mostly we do not have even a fraction of your issues...which is in my opinion an indictment on a system that encourages foreign infiltration and lawlessness whilst stultifying and repressing citizens.
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The two twats in the video couldn't analyse legal language if their lives depended on it. Did someone summon a racist Canadian white supremacist?
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Good for Australia!
Curious what would happen in Australia if you had the same immigration laws as the US and share a border with third world nation of narco terrorists and imported 4 million immigrants from west Africa. lol
Only thing saving Aussies is you live on a very remote island and have and enforce very strict immigration laws, take in very very few refugees and are a very white non diverse country like NZ . Not criticizing btw
Absolutely we would be screwed...the tyranny of distance is not all that bad. Not too keen on our government adding new stock in to the gene pool to provide hybrid vigour though...that gets up my nose.
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You're going to wait too, aint you.
Don't have to as we elected a conservative government, and we sure as shooting don't have your issues. Must suck to have nowhere to go. I suppose that same government is letting you folks have your guns back? Yep...you know all about it...you caught us you wily yank you. Not much of an answer. Surely you can do better than that.
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Not much of an answer. Surely you can do better than that.
Now fu ck off dickhead.
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? - ? X 6,000,000,000
Some one is power hungry.
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You guys are just lucky you picked your own cotton. Sure fugged things up over here.
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There is no doubt about it...we are looking at WW3 and governments are preparing.
I would be betting they think china is going to release phase two.
Just in time for the mid term elections. State of emergency = all voting by mail in ballots. At a minimum, but more likely to cancel the elections all together.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Not much of an answer. Surely you can do better than that.
Now fu ck off dickhead. Now I understand. You're a liberal.
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Not much of an answer. Surely you can do better than that.
Now fu ck off dickhead. Now I understand. You're a liberal. I voted Liberal in the last Federal election...but you seem too stupid the understand the significance.
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