I would agree with this as starting a mono out at 3,500 fps and impacting 300 yards out give or take would yield about 2,800 fps upon impact. And I would agree if any of those deer were shot close or far away through shoulders they’ed be terminated without much fuss. I still say a mono on light body game used on lungs inside 250 yards just doesn’t make the best choice with all the other choices out there.
... A 300 Wby at 60 yards is an easy sail through with no vital destruction. ...
This sounds alarmingly like that "the bullet didn't have time to expand" stuff that crops up now and then.
A very popular theory at the local gun shop amongst the guys that shoot the mid-body halfway between the shoulder and the ham, right in the guts. You know, “right behind the shoulder.”
Will take heed to putting the bullet in some bone , that was what I was thinking was the problem . The deer I shot was in a ditch and trying to sneak by . I was following it and when it stopped took the shot .the point of aim was probably 4-5” above shoulder of ditch that’s why I’m pretty sure I didn’t hit anything but the deer , but we all are subject to Murphy’s law . I scan my shooting area pretty good , but like anybody , you pull the trigger often enough , you’ll have booboo’s . As far as what’s beyond the deer I don’t take shots that have a chance of hitting a residence or livestock . Was raised on a farm and have respect for people and their critters . Kenneth
All sorts of anomalies can happen, with all bullets. But, unless something was drastically wrong with the manufacturing of those 2 bullets, I would have very little doubt that they expanded. I would be trying to avoid bigger bone with a 130 grain from a 300 WBY at 60 yards. Even with a minimum muzzle velocity of 3400 fps, that bullet will still be over 2800 fps at 100 yards. Curiosity would force me to rig up some sort of test media in an attempt to see if the bullets were expanding, if I had doubts.
I have been using Barnes almost exclusively for over 30 years. In that time some things became apparent. You need to either hit bone or CNS in order to have a DRT. Why you would not do a neck shot on an animal 50-60 yards away from a rest is beyond me. Also why you would use a 130gr bullet with a 300Bee is questionable.
Big difference between a jacketed lead bullet and a mono is why most go lighter.
Lighter in a magnum is too much of a good thing. Shot a deer once with my 300RUM with 180X bullets pushed at 3400fps MV a load and rifle I used for elk at 400+ yards. Ruined an entire shoulder. Velocity has its merits, up to a point, unless you don't care what's left to eat. Usually if you keep your impact velocities somewhere between 2500-2800 fps most bullets perform well and you have something left for the table IME. In all cases shot placement is critical no matter how fast the bullets are going.
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Was there any brush in the way? Slug could have blown right up.
I’ve killed enough stuff with a 300 Wby to know that animals definitely show the result of a hit - interested in your bullet choice though. What was your estimated impact velocity? 3600+ Fps?
There have been two deer shot with this bullet , one by me and one by stepson . Both broadside behind elbow of shoulder at 50-60 yds . Both walked away as if not touched , mine with no blood , his with very little , neither recovered . Do you think the the ribs were to soft to get expansion ? I thought with that much velocity it would expand . Kenneth Edited to say the rifles zero was checked before and after , dead on 100 yds
Then they weren’t hit where you described or they’d be dead. Probably within site.
Going that fast you'd get some spray from the exit at the site of impact even if the bullet didn't expand. Depending on where you hit the droplets may not be red.
When I first started killing deer with 300 mags I started with 150gr power points. Those will grenade on a twig at short range. I figured that out by finding the twigs. With slower rounds and some trash within maybe a foot of the point of impact you can get away with sending it. Not with those. I don't think a mono would grenade but you might find the twig that deflected it. Or maybe heard a whirring in the distance.
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edit: missed the “little blood” on the other deer. Hit obviously, but probably got only a little muscle with no internal damage. I had a buck act similarly with a foreleg shot that missed bone. I just flat jerked the trigger. He did a little trot for ten yards or so and stopped. And died.
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