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No, I asked because most police have a union. Of course, if you don't have anything intelligent to say, you instantly regress to what activity you engaged in last night.

My understanding is police unions aren't like the others. i.e. no striking, can't negotiate wages, etc. Merely working conditions. And yes, unions are bad regardless the sector in which they operate, public or private.

Yep. My grandfather worked on a bridge construction crew in the pre-union days. He said it was not much fun, and very dangerous.


Later in life, he said unions gained way to much power.


Everything in moderation.

Aren`t they also effected by the Janus decision the same as other public sector union employees are?

That sounds great but it isn’t fact. Wages have been in decline for decades. We had upwards of two million illegal aliens flood the county within the last year in addition to the millions all ready here. All with a wink and nod from the Democrat politicians and nearly all of the Republican ones. What do you think those “undocumented workers” are doing for wages? They drive down wages for everyone.

Flooding the labor market with illegal cheap labor while outsourcing as much of the manufacturing base to China enriching and empowering China at our countries expense has been devastating to American security and working class jobs.

I’ve worked union and non union jobs. I currently work non union but have been with the UAW and IBEW in the past. The idea that unions allow the worst workers to thrive held some weight with the UAW it absolutely did not with the IBEW. Generally the best way to avoid seasonal lay offs with the IBEW was to be related to or at least good buds with one of the contractors. Which happens all the time in non union shops too. That only the best get hired or promoted in non union business frequently takes a back seat to who someone knows or is the best BS artist. The old “it’s not what you know but who you know or blow.”

When unions try to wrap themselves in the American flag as the most patriotic thing going that’s over the top but generally speaking unions are good for the typical worker IMO. As we become a country with a small manufacturing base and lose mom and pop shops to huge multinationals that have all of the leverage while outsourcing to China I’m ok with the average American worker taking a few perks or dollars back. As someone else said we’d have a whole lot less working poor on welfare if we didn’t let big conglomerate business outsource the work out of our country, didn’t let illegal labor flood in, and didn’t offer work visas for college grads from India with a college education that cost a fraction of the student debt the typical American has to take on to come here and lower wages for our college grads directly competing against them in Big Tech and other business.

I've expressed this many times over the years and it continues to be a firm belief of mine --- I've yet to see a business / company that provided fair wages, benefits and working schedules, safe as possible working conditions, and treated employees fairly, equally, and with respect, that needed to be concerned with their workforce voting 'yes' for union representation.

Really is as simple as that...

First, I’m not entirely certain that ‘most’ police departments/officers have Unions. It’s regional and, beyond thay, doesn’t apply to small PDs regardless of where they are. I don’t know the numbers of coppers in a union vs not, so merely an observation.
I won’t speak for everyone, but the union I belonged to, and others in our region, can certainly negotiate wages/benefits.
Yes, Janus applies.

George

Thank you for answering my question George.

That's sorta what it comes down to, doesn't it?

A worthy Union Contract recognizes seniority only as a tie breaker between two equally qualified applicants to a position. It also does not hinder termination for cause.

Good, we have someone willing to spit out their local. Any other takers? We can go over some $$$$...compare a bit. Run the officials $$$ per local, look at their assets....then compare the each locals average wages....IF theyre willing to give those up also. I can bring up some contracts, constitutions and bylaws to compare....... then see what the equivalent non union shops make. Shall we?

Correct

not a big fan of unions but companies like amazon are why they existed in the first place. ya capitalism, blah, blah, blah but they are a bunch of greedy bastards.

Great way to state it. Bad employers are what give unions control and influence.

Unions often get corrupt. Kickbacks, extortion, questionable promotions, and bargaining to benefit union leadership are all so widespread that it's just accepted. But, unions often set the wages and benefits for a cohort of workers regardless of if they work union or not, and I've seen plenty who bash unions be too foolish to realize that their non union or managerial job has been positively impacted by what a union group had fought for.

Folks like to kick unions....but never take a look at CEO's of non union entities. I can pull up a local CEO that made 120k salary, 2.5million in bonus 1, 1.75 in bonus 2, and 4.8 in bonus 3. Fact! Just one CEO. I can pull up every union local in the area and not one official comes close.

Sometimes you get a glimpse into why America is where it's at today.

Anyone wanna take a guess what the 7 officials of Hanco's local made 2020-21? Public knowledge...anyone? Wild guess.

Come now...Lets play how bad the union rips off the little guy? Hmm....

The Amazon union thing pretty much stemmed from a supposedly wrongful discharge with a suit being filed and with reinstatement the guy started lobbying his fellow workers for a Union vote which happened with a 55% majority for forming an independent union.

Ok ok...no one wants to play. Ill just spit it out...... BAD BAD UNION.....




Look at that! BIG BUCKS!!! The union is fückin the little guy!!!!