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I'm in my 60s now. I've known since about age 10 that vaccines went through a process that took about five years to be completed,
before an average member of the public could seek out the newly released vaccine. The great bulk of the "testing" periods has been
the OBSERVATION periods. First the scientists work on the chemicals and decide upon a specific combination that they are confident
in, that will result in acceptable results on test ANIMALS. (that means an acceptable level of side-effects and, an acceptable level
of effectiveness against that which the vaccine is targeted) Over the decades this observation period has been about 12 - 24 months.
Once they see such acceptable results in the animal testing, they begin human trials with ADULT volunteers. And again they watch for
acceptable results, (that means an acceptable level of side-effects and, an acceptable level of effectiveness against that which the
vaccine is targeted) and that historically taking 12 - 24 months.
Obviously the covid shot came out for the general public to take, including grade school aged children, just about 15 MONTHS after
the virus was known to have began to spread through the human race! Therefore all those who took the shot willingly up through today,
are volunteering to be participants of the TESTING process. We all heard about EMERGENCY Certifications of these chemicals and
so on. But that does NOT remove us from the reality the the standard observation periods were ignored by some 80%. How did you
all come to the decision to be willing to be part of the test?

Mortgage that needed a paycheck. I resisted as long as I could, did what I had to do and made sure my objections went into my employment record.

However, I haven't got and won't get the booster. I think that's a hard sell for them to make at this point.

I can sympathize with you. I have 2 friends, a husband and wife, that work for Boeing and were forced to take the Jab early on since Boeing does a lot of contract work for the Goverment. They definitely did not want to take it, but both had so many years at Boeing they did not want to start over somewhere else. Plus, they still have kids at home and mortgage and all that. Feel bad for people that were forced to make this hard choice...

We should all be able to sympathize with someone who was put in this untenable situation.

Slavyanka and SS17 have not had it. SD23 was forced to get it in December or she wouldn't have been able to complete her final year of university.

What's confusing is why anyone cares what others do

Are you all the sort that watches TV programs like the View?

Had close family giving and receiving kidneys. If I wanted to see them or be around them it was a required part of the donation process.
Actually, I think there's a chance that the process would have halted if immediate family had failed to act.

It confuses me why some people are confused about this vaccine. It is what it is, most people said yes and the rest said no.

I was personally satisfied that getting the vaccine posed both little risk and good protection from the original variant. I was satisfied based on conversations with my brother who is a doctor and a friend who is a doctor. My brother is friends with one of the primary developers of the Moderna vaccine/shot. I have not and will not get a booster unless there is substantial science to demonstrate its safety and efficacy.

Fauci is already spouting off that the vaccine+ a booster is both safe and provides protection against the variant that just emerged. I tried to "follow the science" associated with that recommendation, and there is none.

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The vax was pretty effective at keeping the over 60 crowd out of the hospital with V1.0 and Delta. Having elderly parents I wanted to visit it made sense to me to get the vax, my uncle passed from Rona before the vax was available. Lots of BS information out there on the vax and Rona alike for political reasons instead of just unbiased data.

Whats confusing is that some are unable to distinguish between what others do willingly vs what others are coerced into doing under duress.

Did you not care about those who jumped from the twin towers to escape the heat?

YOU are confused.

I didn't take any of the vaccines and have been working for a year on a "pending" religious exemption. What turned me off for taking it, despite our department being excited it could mean an end to the madness we had been dealing with, was that reading through the original publication of the phase three clinical trials of the Moderna vaccine, the control group had twice the positivity rate as the general population during the same time period. This wasn't addressed in the paper. While early on, there was pretty descent efficacy, it quickly began to wane. I personally saw many side effects including auto-immune and cardiovascular events. There were undoubtedly many lives saved from the vaccine, but many taken by it as well as adverse events. One needs to have a good understanding of their risks and make an informed decision for what is best for themselves.

I've not took any of the vaccines. Nothing at all against the people who have. I know a lot of people were scared for awhile, and took the vax. But, I didn't, and won't. The Gov. can take the "Fauci Ouchi" and stick it up their ass.

This has baffled me from the start. People I thought were reasonable, family members, became like the folks in that move Invasion of the Body Snatchers trying to convince me to take it like they did. I tell them that new drugs take years of study to determine safety and effectiveness, not months. Goes in one ear, and out the other, followed by more pleading to just take the vaccine. It's really like that movie.

There is literally zero data supporting this. It was merely a talking point that was repeated over and over.

So some dude said it was safe...and you took it.

But the booster......man you gotta see some hard data and real proof it's safe and effective?


So...the motivation was financial.


Why not just say that?

No schit, it didn't do a fuggin thing except harm people.

In other words...we gonna see a pile of folks take the totally safe and totally tested booster if the .gov threatens their pensions...

At this point it is what it is. So I'm just going to sit back and watch which approach will win in the end. It will be very interesting to me to see exactly what side effects and death counts will be attributed to the vax in the years to come. They will eventually get to real numbers because they will need to know what to do in the future.

The number of deaths and serious injuries in the first six months exceeded deaths and serious injuries from all other vaccines in the history of vaccination, combined. The numbers were merely ignored, and the public gaslighted.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound here?

You state emphatically that you were satisfied the shot was safe. Lots of conversations with those you trusted "in the know" and "in the loop".

And then you turn around and state you don't trust the booster. The booster is just another shot. Maybe at a lower dose or concentration.

Son is looking at a school that if he gets in would require vaccination.

I told him when he becomes 18, it becomes his decision, but that I would advise against it strongly. And would be a strong reason to go elsewhere. I tried to explain to him positives vs. negatives and the known vs unknown and how to balance that info for a fit young healthy athlete that had covid and recovered no problem already.

None of us have been vaccinated here. Have zero intent to. Hoping that the demandand concern wanesbefore it might becomes an issue for either of my kids.

My left arm, I'm still kicking.

PB
You just lost 10 cool guy/man points.
You didn't have too many to begin with....😄😄😄
This permanent no appeal deduction now puts you at negative 8...
A person as fit as you was scared of the low level buckethead bio wpn????
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The set of glow balls a bunch of us was gonna get you for your bicycle is a ixnay now....

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Dammm.
Thats a big fuuucking needle..
They punch thru the bone to the marrow for the injection???

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It all makes for endless debate so everyone on both sides of the argument can feel like a research doctor spouting data.

One thing 100% certain is that all of this covid and vax reporting has defiantly affected the nut cases.

It seems to have pushed many over the edge they were already close to

We got it, haven’t had problems from it. It seems to be going away here.

I am 78,lungs are 20%+ impaired due to working underground for 30 years breathing all the nasty stuff floating around. I am presently on oxygen supplement. If I get even a cold, it turns into a lung infection that last 6-7 weeks. It is pretty much guaranteed if I contract Covid, it won't go well with me. I'd be stupid not to take advantage of anything that would remotely stop from getting infected

My story is identical to yours. Worse yet they put the second shot too high in my shoulder and I couldn't use my right arm very well for six months

I think Big Five Jack is constantly trolling.

Quick note about the time of development and test/trials and on the so defined covitards, purebloods, whatever… many of you are over 50 just like me. Guessing only a small handful of you have polio. You don’t or had a major decrease in risk due to a vaccine that was developed in 1954, tested that year in Canada…months later in 1955 it was introduced and used in the USA due to the high rate of poliomyelitis. Whether one got any vaccine by choice is their decision. Pure? so nobody here has a pacemaker, defibrillator, stent, anything. Covid was never about Republicans or Democrats; where do all the other parties fit in? 1,000s of pages of this on here; retards, idiot, nazi, hospitals are making fortunes; when is enough enough?

Well that damn virus nearly killed me, my body would not be able to go through that again. It was a no brained for me.
My wife and kids got it (the shot) too (kids are in their 20’s) because they did not want to bring it home to me.

What part of over 16 months in development and trials before I got the vaccine, and not even a month of dicking around with vaccine + booster vs new variant do you not understand? Those people in the know and in the loop are medical professionals at the top of their game, not some silly know-it-all twat on the internet. Try breathing through your nose before you make your next post dumbcundt.

Thanks for your considered response brother Ren. How many more schidt or shart stories do I need to tell to get back out of negative territory?

Now that is just silly. The "variant that just emerged" is about like a cold in its worst manifestations. It should be considered the current booster/vaccine.

Covid is soooo over.

Aren't you anti Union? Don't you fully believe in private property rights? And the right of an employer to hire and fire as he pleases?

No shots, no mask, no covid. The government started out lying about it and the lies kept getting bigger.

I understand the stance (and respect) for people not wanting to be a Guinea pig for the vaccine, however there is no lying about the fact there is the virus. There is no lying about the fact it killed more than a few people.

Well, many have answered that they were essentially forced to take the shot. That's what happened to my daughter.
No shot No getting hired! She took the single shot from J&J. Then BAD reactions were being put on record with that
shot and then is was PULLED from the available options! We and my daughter were and are LIVID that she'd been
coerced into this mess!

I respectfully submit, that you have far more confidence than I do, regarding the honesty of government, and the big drug companies.

LOL ,, I might be a nut case but at least I know what's being put in my body. Y'all just go right ahead being a Lab Rat for the CDC and Government.

Good looking slut.

Are you telling us you know everything that's in absolutely everything you buy at the market or prepared that you eat?

OK,,,, lol

So asking a serious question annoys you. Or presenting a serious point annoys you. Feel free to skip
participating in any thread that I start. Or, join in if THAT suits you. But no one is forced to even READ
what anyone else posts here, much less respond. UNLIKE the bloody covid shot, which some folks HAD
to subject themselves to, much against their own wishes!

The "left" cares a whole lot about what those who refused the shot, did/do!
We were called, by the "left", mass murderers, among other things. And we
watched them on film mingling closely without masks in large gatherings,
after they emphatically insisted that we not gather with anyone with whom
we did not live. Then we were told that the hypocrites were "sophisticated",
and all vaccinated, and that made it fine for them to gather unmasked, BUT
NOT THE REST OF THE VACCINATED FOLKS.

bg

Quit trying to twist this around we not talking about food an drink, this subject is about vaccines you know what I mean by that.

This.

Most of the deaths were murder by medical/hospital protocol.

The US Army did not ask, they just gave us the shots.

I'm 66 and have asthma. Both myself and my wife (same age) took the shots and 1 booster; she Pfizer, me Moderna. This week we both came down with COVID. The only clue I had it was I temporarily lost my sense of smell. When I tested positive my wife tested just for the heck of it. She tested positive and has no symptoms. Other than that, I've suffered worse with seasonal allergies. If the shots kept us out of the hospital, or having long COVID or being down for a week, then it did it's job. No regrets here.

A bunch...
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This isn't 1957 anymore and the "jab" is not the same as the shots you took back then.... wake the hell up

Something has been lost in this conversation. Was it a win for Trump to remove the bureaucratic hurdles to quick approval, or was it careless?

only the special kind of fawktards do this ......

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The shot was not and is not a vaccine. If it was, you’d be truly vaccinated, like with the polio, chicken pox, measles. But no, take the shot and you can still get the virus. Not a vaccine.

I've worn a mask twice since the covid appeared.


First time was when I went in to get the J&J shot, the other time was inside a government building.



I got nervous when 3-4 local people roughly my age died of covid.
Or so they say..



And I was worried about the long haul covid symptoms and infecting my old dad.


No sick days to be had. And of course I still caught it and whined about feeling sick. It did sorta suck for 3-4 days, but I didn't die....lol

No it doesn't annoy, I just think it's quite funny. Same question multiple times, with different verbage. Lots of posts on the subject! By the way no one had to get the shot, they elected too!!
Employment it always a good thing. If it goes againt your or her beliefs, other options are available.

now the .gov knows just how much weak willed, terrified big pussies there are in the USA


the actions of the covtards who so quickly bent over and spread their arse cheeks for the big .Gov injection shocked even them, they expected more resistance from the supposed fierce, patriotic Americans .... never happened, instead they lined up with asses in the air, ready for their allocated poison

This pathetic American cowardice has set the bar and the .Gov knows it can do whatever the hell they want and the pussymericans might whine a little bit but ultimately will comply anyway .... you are 100% responsible for the next horrific events that are coming to the USA, you sold us all out !

America is over .... next step is microchipping and you will all bleat gleefully for your mark

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People say that they discussed It with their Dr who is in the know. The same Dr that is only fed information from a pharmaceutical sales rep carrying a brief case and giving out info pamphlets. They didn't study it, look at it under a microscope or do blind studies. Why do I care what others do? The stupidity of other people just tends to piss me off for some reason, especially when folks that I would otherwise assume had more than a double digit IQ trust the government to do what's best for them. The only upside to me is that if the vaccine truly was designed as population control, I eventually won't have to wait in long lines at the store or get stuck in traffic because of some idiot that doesn't know how to drive in the rain and who's life means zip to me anyhow.

Yes the whole medical industry is in on it, …………………. Foken idiot

One of the things Trump got right IMO. They've been making vaccines for a long time and while this was a new disease, it isn't that much different than others. Developing a vaccine for Covid only required tweaking existing vaccines. It's not like having to re-invent the wheel to upgrade from a 2018 F150 to a 2019 F150. The basics are already there.

The whole issue is too damn political and I don't trust everything I hear from either side. But I can relate my personal observations. Since this started I've known over 200 people who contracted Covid. Over 20 died from it, some close friends and family. None were vaccinated, of course most of that was before the vaccine was available. Symptoms have been all over the place. Some died, some said it kicked their butt for a week or 2, some have not fully recovered 2 years later, and some never knew they had it until they were tested as a requirement for employment. This wide discrepancy is undoubtedly why there are so many opinions.

My wife and I have not had it. We never changed much about what we did. We wore a mask where and when it was advisable, but we never really changed our plans and went everywhere we normally went. Other than the minor inconvenience of a mask on rare occasions our lives never changed.

When the shot became available for people over 60 we got the shot. Since the shot became available most of the people we know got it. Once again this is over 200 people. None of them had a single issue, and none have gotten Covid. The only people I personally know that have had Covid or died from it since the vaccine became available were those who refused to get vaccinated.

We lost a good friend I had known for about 50 years in February. My wife grew up with the guy and had known him since they were in diapers. He was 63 and rabidly antivax. He posted his opinions daily on FB. He was dead 10 days after getting sick. His oxygen levels got too low for too long and his kidneys shut down. His widow not only lost her husband. but will no longer get his substantial retirement from a good paying job as well as having a major reduction in SS benefits for the rest of her life. It didn't just cost him his life, but left his wife in a financial bind as well as any potential inheritance for his children and grandkids.

I didn't wear a mask or get the shot to protect myself. I'm pretty healthy and felt my chances of having a minor case were pretty good even if I did get it. I did it to prevent giving it to others. My mother-in-law and her boyfriend are well into their 80's and I didn't want to risk spreading it to them. Right now my wife and I are both getting a retirement check and a SS check every month. If I die, my wife's income will be cut by over 60% since my lifetime earnings were more than hers. I got the shot to leave my wife and kids in a better place financially when I do finally die.

No it's dumb fuggs "just following orders" and trusting protocols.

Two things about this should alarm anyone that values freedom. Mandatory and the use of fear to motivate compliance. Many took the shot because they didn't want to be fired or lose their hard earned pension. That's understandable but no free person should be forced into something in this way. The motivator, in many cases, was money and job security. Are those what your health care should hinge from? Do you actually trust a government that is behind that technique?

Also we've seen the federal government over reach in every aspect of our lives. They know we resent that but want to keep it going. Now they have a scapegoat. Your employer. They have shifted the blame from themselves to your boss. Remember biden coming out stating we all had to take this shot? He backed off but only after getting many businesses on board to do his bidding. In reality we are seeing the government takeover of private industry. Does that not bother people?

Covtard shots are for covtards. I made peace with being fired for standing up for my human rights. Luckily it didn't come to that, but my choice was already made.

And for the record I've had covid twice.....a mild cold like illness.

Can you link to credible sources that prove the jab prevents transmission of Covid? Thanks.

Said protocols appear to have come from the top. Doctors and hospital directors tend to receive their information and directives via a very narrow stream of sources.

People die everyday. 🤷‍♂️

Ahh the Internet heros. What would we do without them.

How many hero’s actually sat on local school boards and city counsels fighting COVID restrictions, mandates, and closures?

You ain’t lived until you basically have the entire state medial team show up via zoom to your meeting trying to tell you want to do and you flip them the bird and do the direct opposite. The heat people took fighting this crap was unreal.

Very hot topic, going on 2 years now,

I'll only say one thing here, A 50 yo good friend was buried 4 months ago, Covid, Delta variant.

Good to great health, non-smoker, father of 3.

RIP Mark.

The lab rats decided not to participate since the human trials failed

The covid vaccines have killed more people than any vaccine in history...anyone who still believes they are safe is a moron. Someone earlier in this thread said his doctor brother told him it was safe. His brother is an imbecile and shouldnt be practicing medicine.

The adverse events we have seen so far are just the tip of the iceberg too. I feel for those who were forced to take it, but have zero sympathy for those who lined up like sheep. I was, and am still amazed that so many people really believed all the bullshit.

My youngest daughter was forced to take it...shes 26 and used to run marathons...not anymore. Myocarditis and blood clots. Looking like she might need heart surgery now.


https://trialsitenews.com/danish-st...sociated-with-greater-overall-mortality/

It astounds me of how many people have lived long enough to witness government scandal after government scandal yet were quicker than hell to line up for a shot the government was pushing beyond suspicion. That shows what fear does to the weak minded.

Agree 100%

Though the great majority of doctors stated they favored everyone getting the shot, there is a measurable percentage of
outspoken doctors that said don't take it; there's not enough known about it. More RNs that I've had the chance to speak
with, said they wouldn't take the shot, by about an 8 to 1 ratio, compared to those who said they'd taken the shot.
As to the idea that they could create this so-called vaccine in about 25% of the standard time, compared to the earlier
vaccines, because so much is already known, I asked several doctors, "Should we the public, now expect or demand, that
EVERY new "vaccine", be brought forth as fast as this one was, seeing as the scientists are obviously saying it's so doable?"
Every doctor that I posed that question to, stuttered and stammered, and concocted a "re-direct" answer, every bloody one
of them.

Yep and many have been brainwashed watching and listening to all this crap on TV over and over again like a broken record.

That tells you a lot about those doctors.
A lot of them get into medicine for the money.
Many more do unethical things after getting into it to be a healer, for the love of money.
Murder?

I look at it this way. Anybody who willingly took an unproven, untested DNA altering mRNA "vaccine" shot is now on a path that they can never take back. One way street. So naturally they will defend their inalterable decision. I hope all your result is benign, but to claim the shot isn't harmful is willful blindness. I wish you all well.

Yes.

We decided not to put Africa off for another year. Or I did - I'm 73 and had never had a flu shot, ever - and maybe not the flu either- at least not in the last 10 years. My wife was all for getting the jab anyway. Not me, but the Serengetti called. And I went.

NZ in '23- and if I have to get another booster to go, I will. Don't want to, but I will. I'll be 74 and the sands of time are running anyway. If (and I am!) a test subject, I'm a test subject. I'm on the organ donor list too, but I'm gonna wear them out first, I hope. That means I'm not putting what's left of my life on hold over a bunch of beurocratic bull and corruption by others. Ain't gonna do it!

We all die, and there are too many people in the world now, but I'm not volunteering exactly. Calculated risk vs payout.

Yes, the virus was deliberately created, probably so released, Fauci and his pharmaceutical buddies are into it up to their necks (in money, especially), and should be severely terminated.

The difference is that you made your choice without the threat of being fired. Many didn't get that choice. Live or die, test rat or not those that follow us now will inherit a nation with less freedom. That's the outrage from my point of view.

Genital Ulcers in teenage girls post jab, sounds safe though


https://www.jpagonline.org/article/S1083-3188(22)00132-2/fulltext#%20

WAY too many. Anyone under 65 and not in a high risk group is a fool for taking it, and anyone pushing it on the younger- especially college and Teens- ought to be tarred and feathered.

I know 3 "anecdotal" athletes who are now either dead or severely damaged within 3 weeks of a vacc.

Eff the vacc and eff all of those who pushed it on anyone but the most at risk elderly.

I read that study. States such ulcers were also noted before the shot came out, thought to be caused by the virus. Also noted were these ulcers in some girls post-shot, thought to be caused by their body's reaction to the shot. In all cases the ulcers resolved in 21 day or so. The article's conclusion is that the shot is safe and effective against COVID.

What medication is free of any side effects? As with all medications, it's risk vs benefit. I don't believe the shot should have been mandatory for anyone, but, I also don't believe in the wacky conspiracy theories. Whether we see additional side effects down the road or not is yet to be seen.

In my circle of friends/family/frequently encountered acquaintances, no one has died from COVID. I know many, including my wife, son and myself, who have contracted the disease. Those who did not get the jab, were out of commission for weeks suffering from severe symptoms and some required hospitalization. Some told me they thought they were dying as they struggled for breath. Those who got the jab, (including myself, my wife and son) all had very minor to no symptoms and did not require hospitalization and that includes people in several high risk categories. For myself, I had a headache for one day, a couple days of sniffles like my seasonal allergies and a temporary loss of smell. I can live with that.

I have zero confidence in government and drug companies in the U.S. We are not the only country affected. There will be statistics accumulated over time that will expose the side effects. India for one has shown that they can and do use therapeutics like ivermectin with astonishing results while other Indian states had different approaches. Africa had places that were on ivermectin BEFORE covid and did not suffer the death rate as here in the U.S. They will be compared eventually.

People are coerced by fear (in all it's forms} and once they give in to it they want to believe they did the right thing no matter evidence to the contrary. The herd gets spooked and they stampede. The statistics shown so far on the vax are ignored and suspect because people don't want to believe they reacted hastily.

There are people who were so compromised with other health issues that they had higher odds of survival by getting the shot. They likely made the right decision with the info they had at the time. Now the variants of covid are milder and it is a different set of considerations.

The question that will be answered in the longer run is how did this giant trial on a gene altering injection affect the human body and race. Governments cannot hide that forever.

5 10 15 yrs down the road...

Anyone remember thalidomide????





Let the oldsters, co morbidity, and high risk types take the shot.

Pushing it on children especially those ages 4 or younger to 12.

Thats some fuuucked up schit right their.......
Espeically when their covtard parents are the ones calling the shots...

Then throw in all the private sector and .gov mandates on this shot.
Total bullschitt....



But dont worry it will all ramp up again for the midterms.
Still seeing mask fuggs alone in their vehicles driving around among many other scenarios all alone masked the fugg up

The stupid is strong in the gullible scared types....

Nothing like getting vaccinated for a cold strain that's three fugking years old.

LOL

Fugkin' morons.

Some of you all must have some pretty radical fanatic doctors.
Between the VA docs and my Tricare PCM doctor I have been asked about being Vaccinated.

Nope....
And that is as far as it goes.

I gotta go do a C19 test on the 20th for a knee surgery with the VA on the 22nd.
Not to Happy about a mouth or nose swab for C19 to tell the truth.
And my answers about not being Vaccinated either.
All being in a .gov data not to mention already probably being in it by bumper# not being vaxxed during their campaigns for it to begin with...
If anyone thinks .gov doesn't have a data base on the have hads and have nots they are fooling themselves....

It comes to the point where they tie my mil retirement and VA disability pay to this fuuucking shot.
Even though it is all electronic....
I will cave in...


These mutha fugga,s get a 3 peat of election fraud and gain unprecedented supermajorities in .gov
Joey gets another scotus pick.

Nothing...
Absolutely nothing I will put past them enacting.

Don't do it Rene if they do. sue the bastards