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Evidence is subjective based in many factors. You undoubtedly understand that but roll on with your arguments.

Evidence is an objective body of information, something that anyone who cares to can examine. The evidence itself provides information.

So science presently has the ability to consider all data points, have a complete view of the situation and there are no other angles to be discovered from which to test science.


You definitely chose to practice a faith.

"John 3:16"

Not in the least. Science is based on rigorous testing. Unlike faith, falsification is not discouraged. Evolution has stood testing for over 150 years. If someone is able to falsify evolution, it would be sensational, amazing, worldwide news.

It has not been done. The evidence is unshakeable.

PS, the way mentioned faith suggests that you acknowledge its limitations, yet religious belief is founded on faith.

Nope, you are again totally wrong.

So, go ahead …. Give us some “proof.”

Try not to cut and paste…..



Edit to add:

Were I to tell you that the many OT prophecies regarding the Messiah were fulfilled in Jesus and that fulfillment was unequivocal proof that those prophesies were inspired and ordained by God….. would you accept that as proof that Jesus was indeed the Messiah?

If your answer is no….. care to explain why?

Agreed. Wholeheartedly.

I'm just going to say it: DBT, you're just a closed-minded, religious zealot. I've cited piles of evidence from your side of the aisle (I'm citing the 2nd law of thermodynamics, et al, not the Book of Revelation, here), and just as I predicted earlier, you only come right back with, "... give me evidence", after the evidence was given... and then completely ignored once cited.

Evolution is your religion and your god (to mock Ozzy Osbourne who praises rock & roll), but don't be upset when I defend Christ as stoutly as you defend Darwin... and don't point a finger of ridicule in my direction when there's 3 pointing back at yourself. Evolution has been "PREACHED" for over 150 years, but don't confuse that with being *PROVEN* for over 150 years because it hasn't.

Absolutely none of the fossil records support speciation, only adaptation. The birds that had their beaks alter over generations were still birds; their beaks didn't become snouts with fangs and their bodies didn't develop into felines. No fossils of a pre-pterodactyl subspecies have ever been located... only perfect, complete pterodactyls... they have located sabre-toothed tigers... eventually adapting into... you guessed it: tigers. When I go out in the hot sun, my skin turns red and eventually darkens; grapes become raisins; plums become prunes... adaptation.

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Reliance on the bible is an exercise of cut and paste.

Groan!

The science of evolution and natural selection is pretty much rock solid. Denial allows immediate dismissal of any credibility.

With some effort you'd be able to properly research your concerns - it's really not that hard.

Repeating ''you are totally wrong'' like a mantra doesn't make it so.

I'm doing nothing more than pointing out the basics of logic, reason, philosophy and science. It's not even controversial.

It's a simple thing: observations are made, evidence is acquired and thoroughly analyzed and tested....which builds a picture of how the world works.

It's the most successful method of understanding the world, the universe and our place in it that we have ever had.

The results are spectacular. Astronomy, technology, chemistry, medicine surpassing anything anything found in our collection of holy books or faith in general.

The evidence is undeniable, even while you are using it to argue for faith.

It's a closed mind that takes dogma on faith, without question, discouraging dissent and questioning.

I have studied comparative religion and the contradictions between them and internally, sects, denominations, interpretations, etc.

On the contrary, it is those who adhere to ancient beliefs, faith, things written in old scrolls that have closed their mind to other possibilities....

Almost 95% of the worlds population believe in a god, A Supreme being that created life itself. The other 5% are atheists and scientists. LOL

51% of the worlds population believes in THE God, our God.

The Bible tells us in Psalms 14:1 that the fools of this world believe in their hearts there is no god. And in Romans 1:22-23: 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

In Luke 9:5 we are told by Jesus: And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

Shake that dust off, Brothers. These creatures are inconsequential, irrelevant, and without hope. Darwin's god was Satan and so is theirs, whether they know it or not. Ignore them as they are ignorant and totally undiscerning but tremendously deceiving. If you think you need to acknowledge them at all, let it be a "get behind me Satan" as did Jesus did when Peter was talking foolishly.

I most certainly do question my faith. That is the mark of true faith or mature faith. I follow the example of Paul.

Your evidence is unshakable. Which is to mean unchangable, complete, having covered all variables, having account for all possible options?

There's a quote from “Discipleship of the Mind”, pg 50, by James W. Sire, saying, "Our world view, should be both consistent and coherent. That is, not only should it not contain any contradictions, but it should be composed of presuppositions which fit well together, presuppositions which, because they are as correct as we can get them, give us a coherent picture of the way things really are."

In other words, to be an Atheist and believe in reincarnation defies logic. Our beliefs must line up with each other, or they become insufficient…… if that's all there's to it - is there anything further to discuss? Beliefs don't need logic…. Where does this go now? Does logic need belief?

Exactly. Creationists and Evolutionists use the same evidence.

And that is why many in the Hebrew Roots Movement despise Paul. Calling him “a schizophrenic” and saying “he’s been known to hallucinate” and saying other derogatory things about him. Despite the fact that Jesus clearly said that Paul was handpicked by Him to carry the Gospel to the Gentiles ‘and’ to the Jews.Apostle Peter would be quick to say “I’m tellin’ ya’ I was in the home of a Roman centurion and I saw God do for those Gentiles exactly what God did for us Jews 20 years ago. And they did not have the Mosaic Law, they don’t know the Mosaic Law, they’ve never done ‘anything’ to become Jewish, and yet I saw God accept them just as He did for us.”

Apostle Peter made it clear that it was time for the Jews to accept the fact that God had done what He was going to do for them, and now He’s doing something for the entire world and they (the Jews) need to be a part of it.

Even though it means letting go of, and setting aside, the traditions and the Mosaic Law (the old covenant) that they’d grown up with.

Apostle Peter knew that Christianity was ‘not’ Judaism 2.0, that it was ‘not’ an add-on, that it was a stand-alone ‘say goodbye to the past’ brand new movement and New Covenant.

Yep. Funny how two people can look at the same evidence and come up with polar opposite conclusions.

M9MM and DBT; I've *CITED* many facts and sources... to which you've offered not a single rebuttal other than how intellecutally impossible God could be... not a single rebuttal.
1. 2nd law of thermodynamics
2. The law of conservation of mass and energy
3. Jericho has been found having had the tops of the walls *pushed down as one unit until they were at the same level as the foundations of the buildings*
4. Sodom and Gomorrah have been found destroyed by sulpur (ever asked what the Hebrew meaning of "fire and brimstone" actually was?)
5. Noah's Ark was found having slid down Mount Ararat with very clear trenching showing its original placement... at the top
6. Gold-covered *chariot wheels* were discovered at the *BOTTOM OF THE RED SEA*! Roughly 220 MILES away from their beginning in Egypt
7. Human femurs were found in the 1950's that were over *5 FEET LONG*! HUMAN FEMURS!
8. Fossils from dinosaurs have been located *many* times with *SOFT TISSUE STILL INTACT*!!! How could *SOFT TISSUE* still exist after 65,000,000 years? It couldn't
9. Marco Polo wrote *SUCCINCT* descriptions of seeing *LIVE ANIMALS* exactly matching Tyrannosaurus Rex around 1,295 A.D. or roughly 65,001,295 years *AFTER MODERN SCIENCE SAYS THEY WERE EXTINCT*
10. The simple *FLAP* inside your body going between the larynx and the trachea - called the epiglottis - without which you *DIE. FIRST MEAL. DEAD!* So where's the time for this to be *EVOLVED*
11. ZERO FOSSIL RECORD EVIDENCE SUPPORTS *SPECIATION* only *ADAPTATION*
12. You both display every single symptom of defending of religious beliefs! hahahahaha I had to throw that in! hahahahaha

Not a single rebuttal, and there's *THOUSANDS* more that could be cited right behind them, but I'm not holding my breath any of these will be rebutted... *AGAIN*, just tell me to supply you with scientific fact... You've already done it.