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Phoneman, just grab up any ruger 77 mk 2 or Hawkeye in 30-06. Question for you guys that have used both - are the Hawkeye actions any smoother than the MKII? Hawkeye actions are similarly made from "investment grade castings"?
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My SS MKII is slicker than snot….my Hawkeye SS is taking its time. Good rifles for what they are.
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My SS MKII is slicker than snot…. My experience with the MKII (sample of one) is the exact opposite . . . .
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My SS Hawkeye is the antithesis of slick. I like it, and it works well, but it feels rough when compared to every other bolt gun I have ever owned.
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Phoneman, just grab up any ruger 77 mk 2 or Hawkeye in 30-06. Question for you guys that have used both - are the Hawkeye actions any smoother than the MKII? Hawkeye actions are similarly made from "investment grade castings"? My Mk II Stainless is really smooth. My Hawkeye is really rough.
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I have a couple - a 7mm-08 and a 35 Whelen. I've had good luck with both. I wouldn't mind adding a new .30-06 to split the difference and complete the set.
Have any of you laid eyes on the ones currently shipping? I have two main questions:
1) Is the stock the same as it has always been? As others have mentioned, it's relatively stiff for a 'regular' synthetic stock.
2) What is the finish like? I would prefer something in between the crazy-shiny early MkIIs and the nearly-bead-blasted look of the later Hawkeye synthetic stainless rifles. It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures I've seen online of new ones.
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Phoneman, just grab up any ruger 77 mk 2 or Hawkeye in 30-06. Question for you guys that have used both - are the Hawkeye actions any smoother than the MKII? Hawkeye actions are similarly made from "investment grade castings"? Nope. And I've owned a bunch of Mk II's. With that said my Hawkeye is my favorite
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My MK2 is smooth enough. The last Hawkeye I had was rough as hell and made the brass look like it had been in a fight with a wildcat.
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My SS MKII is slicker than snot…. My experience with the MKII (sample of one) is the exact opposite . . . . Most of them were rough as corn cobs. If they are slick, then they may have been polished out by guys like me that hate how rough they are. I'll polish one out until it feels like a model 70. Rework the factory trigger until they are a clean crisp and 2.5 pounds or so. There's beauty in a m77 mk2, IF you don't mind working on them a bit. Also saying they need to be glass bedded is a huge understatement. Some of the boat paddle rifles were alright, but 99% of the wood stocked m77's I've had needed glass bedding. Hawkeye's are slightly refined and the LC6 trigger is not as bad as the lawyer trigger on the MK2. Again, if your rifle has a beautiful trigger, that was worked over by someone like me, guaranteed. All m77 mk2 factory triggers sucked. Generally 6-8 pound pull was the norm.. The LC6 trigger on the Hawkeye generally just needs a lighter spring and you are good to go.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I really like the looks of the Stainless Ultralight in 6.5 CM. Does anyone know what they actually weigh? Ballpark figure would be 7lbs. The synthetic stocks weigh pretty much the same as the wood ones, but are pretty stiff. Think the average weight was just under 7#. Nothing really light about them other than the pencil barrel. I had a synthetic stainless UL in 204. Definitely not what is ultralight in my book. Ruger Hawkeye 257 Roberts UL, Leupold VX-2 2-7X33, sling. 7lbs 13oz....plus three 257 rounds of your liking. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/VE7s9ur.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/GguykhX.jpg)
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Phoneman, just grab up any ruger 77 mk 2 or Hawkeye in 30-06. No need in holding out for a rare or non-existant ruger gun. They're all made to thrash, modify to suit your needs, not collect. The guide gun has too heavy of a barrel countour, and too heavy of a stock. I just shot an older 30-06 Hawkeye all weather. The guy had the barrel cut to 21 inches and affixed with an necg banded front sight and necg rear sight. He had a 2-7x28 Leopold ultralight in low ruger rings. It weighed 8 lbs 2oz with scope. He's $975 into that scope rifle after gunsmithing. I have modified a beater ruger to fit my needs. Went to a heavy bead front sight insert, taller rear sight blade. Pulled the synthetic stock for a $247 ruger hunter walnut stock. Weighs exactly 6.5 lbs without scope, 7.5lbs with scope. Here in Alaska, I routinely go from cutting canoe trail, to scrambling up 6000 ft of elevation. Rifles look like sht after only 2 years. Little ruger beaters are all I carry nowadays. You'll see more ruger 77's used by Alaskans, than any other. Suburbia Alaskans (anchorage/eagle river/wasilla/fairbanks) occasionally carry nicer hunting rifles. But even then, most of em have a ruger 77 in the safe, waiting for their kimber to fail....... ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/fRX5W7CT/20220527-165713.jpg) see you got an echo saw. Just picked up a small one when i didnt need my big husky. Mighty strong buy for the money and power I'll derail a thread any day of the week, to talk chainsaws. Worth way more words than whats wasted round here on rifles. Yep echos are good saws. I rebuild 3-4 saws a year. Stihl homeowner saws are not very well built and are over priced. Neither are husqs. Most window-lickers see the "Stihl" name and get cookies monster eyes. $600 ms 311 gets yah plastic caged crank bearings, plastic chassis, zama-chinese carbs, extremely low compression and a spur sprocket. $550 gets yah pro-saw echo goodies: superior Japanese bearings & crank seals, magnesium case, walbro carb, high compression domed piston and a better spur-sprocket: https://www.sawsuppliers.com/products/echo-cs-620p-professional-chain-sawI do rebuild free stihl homeowner saws, but only if they were free. I give them away as gifts to friends. I always advance timing, port muffler/intake/exauhst, go to a higher compression piston, metal-caged SKF bearings and an Oregon RIM sprocket. If a Zama-china carb, I always reach in my coffee can full of walbro carbs for a replacement. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/RCwbVQM1/20220719-171929.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/hGzRCzVC/20220719-122832.jpg)
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I have a 455 rancher which i really dont care for. Just picked up a little CS355T. Great little saw for around the house and throwing in the boat for clearing paths with one hand. One of those 620P echos will be my next saw probably. Im not a big stihl fan. SKF is about 5 min from my house, or at least one plant is. Been in there many times working on their phone systems.
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Phoneman, yah I didn't care for the 455 ranchdressing.
Single piston ring, looses compression after only 10 cord of wood. Very thin/brittle piston ring.
cheap sheet metal shroud around the oiler gear. Have to rtv sealant it in place, to keep wood debris from wiping out the plastic oiler gear.
Low rpms, no power anywhere.
Heavy, compared to the worthless power-output.
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Phoneman, just grab up any ruger 77 mk 2 or Hawkeye in 30-06. No need in holding out for a rare or non-existant ruger gun. They're all made to thrash, modify to suit your needs, not collect. The guide gun has too heavy of a barrel countour, and too heavy of a stock. I just shot an older 30-06 Hawkeye all weather. The guy had the barrel cut to 21 inches and affixed with an necg banded front sight and necg rear sight. He had a 2-7x28 Leopold ultralight in low ruger rings. It weighed 8 lbs 2oz with scope. He's $975 into that scope rifle after gunsmithing. I have modified a beater ruger to fit my needs. Went to a heavy bead front sight insert, taller rear sight blade. Pulled the synthetic stock for a $247 ruger hunter walnut stock. Weighs exactly 6.5 lbs without scope, 7.5lbs with scope. Here in Alaska, I routinely go from cutting canoe trail, to scrambling up 6000 ft of elevation. Rifles look like sht after only 2 years. Little ruger beaters are all I carry nowadays. You'll see more ruger 77's used by Alaskans, than any other. Suburbia Alaskans (anchorage/eagle river/wasilla/fairbanks) occasionally carry nicer hunting rifles. But even then, most of em have a ruger 77 in the safe, waiting for their kimber to fail....... see you got an echo saw. Just picked up a small one when i didnt need my big husky. Mighty strong buy for the money and power I'll derail a thread any day of the week, to talk chainsaws. Worth way more words than whats wasted round here on rifles. Yep echos are good saws. I rebuild 3-4 saws a year. Stihl homeowner saws are not very well built and are over priced. Neither are husqs. Most window-lickers see the "Stihl" name and get cookies monster eyes. $600 ms 311 gets yah plastic caged crank bearings, plastic chassis, zama-chinese carbs, extremely low compression and a spur sprocket. $550 gets yah pro-saw echo goodies: superior Japanese bearings & crank seals, magnesium case, walbro carb, high compression domed piston and a better spur-sprocket: https://www.sawsuppliers.com/products/echo-cs-620p-professional-chain-sawI do rebuild free stihl homeowner saws, but only if they were free. I give them away as gifts to friends. I always advance timing, port muffler/intake/exauhst, go to a higher compression piston, metal-caged SKF bearings and an Oregon RIM sprocket. If a Zama-china carb, I always reach in my coffee can full of walbro carbs for a replacement. Since you are in the thread derailing business what is your opinion on Echo and Husqvarna weed eaters?
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In standard, these rifles are now available in 243, 6.5 Creed, 270, 30-06, 308 and 300 Win Mag. 243, 6.5 Creed and 30-06 in Ultralight.
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What fresh Hell is this?
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I wonder when all-weather models will be showing up on the webpage again.
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The Ruger MK/II finish, both stainless and blued, are the absolute best finish! I own several and have zero complaints about them. Fine rifles for the money!
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The Ruger MK/II finish, both stainless and blued, are the absolute best finish! I own several and have zero complaints about them. Fine rifles for the money! The new matte finish that Ruger does is horrible. I call it Sure Mar, because if you use the gun at all, it will end up looking like schidt.
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I agree with the guy that said a finish between the super shiny MK2 and the sand blasted Hawkeye. Generally I'll take a MK 2 and go over it with scotch brite and then 0000 steel wool to take some of the shiny away.. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/NETcb8n.jpg)
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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