I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
There hasn't been a significant cartridge I produced since the mid 60s.
And that's being generous by considering factory rounds that achieved popularity.
The 204 is perhaps an exception. Even it has faded and seems behind the rounds it was supposed to beat.
Chose the 60s for the 7mm Rem and Winchester magnums. H&H actually had that covered many years before, but original powders and pressures held them back.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
No comment on the merits of the 7mm PRC, but interesting to see Hornady giving the OK for influencers and media to release their articles and videos today.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
For the average hunter it does nothing...the average hunter also won't notice much difference between a 30-06 and a 7 mag, or a 270, or a 280.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps.
I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
No comment on the merits of the 7mm PRC, but interesting to see Hornady giving the OK for influencers and media to release their articles and videos today.
Hornady released their own video today; the media blitz has begun.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps. I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
This is it in a nutshell.
I generally refrain from the better/best discussions here because so many things work for the couple-boxes-of-ammo-a-year crowd at MPBR. We have folks here that shoot more in a couple of hours or days than some folks shoot in a three-year span. Further, we have folks that shoot animals at a max distance of 75 yards and others that routinely kill stuff past 500 yards.
We also have folks that insist on having three safes full of guns that rarely get used, while others are searching for the one perfect rifle that'll most likely wear multiple barrels in its lifetime. To me, the 7 PRC is for the latter crowd that knows exactly what they want from a platform, bullet and RPMs, and to be able to shoot further without the various handicaps from existing/other chamberings.
Not understanding that shows a bit of either insecurity or plain naivete.
The 3 factory loads they released sure cover alot of ground, a 160 Mono for bone smashing, 175 ELD for general purpose stuff, and a 180 ELD for hunting or smacking steel..
Pretty tough to beat something like outta the box if a fella would rather hunt and shoot than dick around at a reloading press with a 1/2 grain here or there.. I see alot of people being able to like that kinda flexibility. I almost bought a 7 Rem again this year, just to shoot factory stuff, but I might drag my feet a little and see who chambers it, bet it won't be too long before makers start putting rifles out there.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps. I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
This is it in a nutshell.
I generally refrain from the better/best discussions here because so many things work for the couple-boxes-of-ammo-a-year crowd at MPBR. We have folks here that shoot more in a couple of hours or days than some folks shoot in a three-year span. Further, we have folks that shoot animals at a max distance of 75 yards and others that routinely kill stuff past 500 yards.
We also have folks that insist on having three safes full of guns that rarely get used, while others are searching for the one perfect rifle that'll most likely wear multiple barrels in its lifetime. To me, the 7 PRC is for the latter crowd that knows exactly what they want from a platform, bullet and RPMs, and to be able to shoot further without the various handicaps from existing/other chamberings.
Not understanding that shows a bit of either insecurity or plain naivete.
Agreed. The "stop liking what I hate" crowd always runs deep - regardless of topic.
Looking at the recent crop of PRC (and others) fast-twist, heavy for caliber high BC projectiles, designed cartridges the primary advantage is at long distance, often 500 yards plus, before any benefit may apply. For most probable hunting distances, none of the more recent cartridge developments make any difference at all. That said, we have a new generation of young shooters who spend more time at the range than they do in the woods as well as competition shooter who are always looking for some advantage. I for one surely don't need any more rifles but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop building them, just may need to sell a few along the way to make room in the safe and keep the funds going. I have two 7mm RMs and I'm pretty sure I'll replace one with a 7 PRC when I get around to it, for no particular reason other to entertain myself as they older I get, my interest narrow and building and shooting rifles is more interesting than ever.
Looking at the recent crop of PRC (and others) fast-twist, heavy for caliber high BC projectiles, designed cartridges the primary advantage is at long distance, often 500 yards plus, before any benefit may apply. For most probable hunting distances, none of the more recent cartridge developments make any difference at all. That said, we have a new generation of young shooters who spend more time at the range than they do in the woods as well as competition shooter who are always looking for some advantage. I for one surely don't need any more rifles but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop building them, just may need to sell a few along the way to make room in the safe and keep the funds going. I have two 7mm RMs and I'm pretty sure I'll replace one with a 7 PRC when I get around to it, for no particular reason other to entertain myself as they older I get, my interest narrow and building and shooting rifles is more interesting than ever.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
For the average hunter it does nothing...the average hunter also won't notice much difference between a 30-06 and a 7 mag, or a 270, or a 280.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps.
I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
That, and off-the-shelf 8” twist barrelled rifles.
I was pretty excited when I started reading about the 6.8 western, as an " ultimate backcountry rifle". But then I got to thinking about just putting a fast twist barrel on a 270. I'm a handloader and the thing I've noticed as I'm sure many have is the lack of readily available components. I see the merits of a 7prc but I do wonder about future availability of components. I like where it performs but I'm in the " I'll wait and see camp". That being said I'm building a 284win rifle, I'm a walking contradiction.
MM
Tell me the odds of putting grease on the same pancake? I Know they are there, well ice and house slippers. -Kawi
Mitchell, I agree re the the 270 Win but the lack of high BC bullet isn't helping. The 145 Hornady ELD-X looks great on paper but I'd like to see a .277 160 ELD-X or similar. I running numbers on Hornady' ballistic calculator and was surprised to find the 143 gr 6.5 ELDX from the Creed has more energy at 500 yards than a 150 from a 308. The bullet weights are all that different but the high BC of the Creed made all the difference at that range. Enter the 178 308 ELDX and the story changes!
There hasn't been a significant cartridge I produced since the mid 60s.
And that's being generous by considering factory rounds that achieved popularity.
The 204 is perhaps an exception. Even it has faded and seems behind the rounds it was supposed to beat.
Chose the 60s for the 7mm Rem and Winchester magnums. H&H actually had that covered many years before, but original powders and pressures held them back.
I could see a lot of folks making the case for 7mm-08 after the .284 fizzled out and the 7x57 just didn't seem to catch on stateside. Maybe the 416 Rem, too? Not for revolutionizing the caliber but for sparking new interest?
I lost all interest in new calibers, rifles or bullets, by now I know what works for me and I'm content.
Kinda where I am. Bonus it happens to be a 7mm so advances in bullet tech help me but even still - they're getting so big/long, the 7-08 don't have enough ass to get them moving to where they'd likely really shine.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps. I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
This is it in a nutshell.
I generally refrain from the better/best discussions here because so many things work for the couple-boxes-of-ammo-a-year crowd at MPBR. We have folks here that shoot more in a couple of hours or days than some folks shoot in a three-year span. Further, we have folks that shoot animals at a max distance of 75 yards and others that routinely kill stuff past 500 yards.
We also have folks that insist on having three safes full of guns that rarely get used, while others are searching for the one perfect rifle that'll most likely wear multiple barrels in its lifetime. To me, the 7 PRC is for the latter crowd that knows exactly what they want from a platform, bullet and RPMs, and to be able to shoot further without the various handicaps from existing/other chamberings.
Not understanding that shows a bit of either insecurity or plain naivete.
Mitchell, I agree re the the 270 Win but the lack of high BC bullet isn't helping. The 145 Hornady ELD-X looks great on paper but I'd like to see a .277 160 ELD-X or similar. I running numbers on Hornady' ballistic calculator and was surprised to find the 143 gr 6.5 ELDX from the Creed has more energy at 500 yards than a 150 from a 308. The bullet weights are all that different but the high BC of the Creed made all the difference at that range. Enter the 178 308 ELDX and the story changes!
I guess my point with a fast twist barrel throated correctly would solve the 270 problem and long high BC bullets.
Tell me the odds of putting grease on the same pancake? I Know they are there, well ice and house slippers. -Kawi
I would say there are good high bc 270 “hunting bullets” - 150/165 ablr, 170 berger, 175 tgk, 170 btip, etc…. What is really missing for 270 compared to 6.5/7mm are ‘match’ projectiles - eldm, tmk, scnenar etc…. So I still like the 6.8W a bit better as a hunting round as lower recoil and great ballistics. No doubt the 7prc is more but it is also a long action, more powerful cartridge so there is a recoil tradeoff there at least. I can see myself getting one someday but it will be meatier rifle probably then I would do with 6.5 prc or 6.8w
I would say there are good high bc 270 “hunting bullets” - 150/165 ablr, 170 berger, 175 tgk, 170 btip, etc…. What is really missing for 270 compared to 6.5/7mm are ‘match’ projectiles - eldm, tmk, scnenar etc….
Lou
An issue with the .270 and the higher BC bullets is the twist rates offered in factory rifles.
I would say there are good high bc 270 “hunting bullets” - 150/165 ablr, 170 berger, 175 tgk, 170 btip, etc…. What is really missing for 270 compared to 6.5/7mm are ‘match’ projectiles - eldm, tmk, scnenar etc….
Lou
An issue with the .270 and the higher BC bullets is the twist rates offered in factory rifles.
For folks who shoot at longer ranges (if you consider that a niche) there is no comparison between any 30-06 load (factory or handload) and a 180gr ~750 G1 7mm bullet at 2900 fps. I doubt the 7PRC does much you can't do with another 7 mag...but off-the-shelf 180gr ELDM loads will be very nice.
This is it in a nutshell.
I generally refrain from the better/best discussions here because so many things work for the couple-boxes-of-ammo-a-year crowd at MPBR. We have folks here that shoot more in a couple of hours or days than some folks shoot in a three-year span. Further, we have folks that shoot animals at a max distance of 75 yards and others that routinely kill stuff past 500 yards.
We also have folks that insist on having three safes full of guns that rarely get used, while others are searching for the one perfect rifle that'll most likely wear multiple barrels in its lifetime. To me, the 7 PRC is for the latter crowd that knows exactly what they want from a platform, bullet and RPMs, and to be able to shoot further without the various handicaps from existing/other chamberings.
Not understanding that shows a bit of either insecurity or plain naivete.
The folks who get a burr under their saddles when a new cartridge is introduced remind me of...
So proof is chambering it; what other makers are known?
Edit: found this in their comments: “ GUN MAKERS PRODUCING THE 7mm PRC Allterra Arms, Atlus Shooting Solutions, Best of the West, Christensen Arms, Fierce Firearms, GA Precision, Gunwerks, Hill Country Rifles, H-S Precision, Horizon Firearms, J.P. Sauer & Sohn, McWhorter Custom Rifles, Proof Research, Remington, Ruger, Savage, Seekins Precision, Short Action Customs, Springfield Armory (coming 2023), Stuteville Precision, TS Customs, & West Texas Ordnance.”
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I like the 7mm PRC. I think it is a great addition to what we have.
Pretty sure I will never own one though.
I like to to shoot my faux LR 270 with 145gr ELD-X. It taught me that out to 600 yards is fairly easy, but it gets more difficult past that. I could probably put the time and effort in, but not in the cards right now. Would rather be in the woods hunting, not shooting.
I loved the idea of the 6.8 Western, and seriously thought I would get one. But I went the fast twist 270 route. When I get that rifle back, hopefully I will have time to get proficient out to 1000 yards on steel.
I personally have no desire to become a long range hunter, but that is just me. If I were truly serious about that, the 7 PRC would be a great route to go.
The PRC has about the same or a skosh less overall capacity than the Rem Mag, looks pretty close to 7 WSM capacity, while the Mashburn adds a far bit over the Rem Mag in usable capacity especially if the gun is set up to run 3.6” combos. I typically get 3050-3100 with 175/180’s so the gain isn’t much over what the PRC is showing.
Here’s a good overview of the new kid. Very fetching, but of no benefit to me. Others may find it very useful as it has some great capabilities on tap.
I have no objections to new stuff whatsoever and enjoy watching the sticks move. Never understood all the sour grapes that result when something demonstrably better in some ways comes out. Toobe also explains, yet again, why a new cartridge with similar capacity to existing ones is necessary to avoid issues with factory ammunition and barrel twist.
I'm old, so have no use for the new kids on the block. However. I want them all to be successful and draw more people to both the shooting sports and hunting. I hope every gun owner buys a hunting license.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
And those of us that can actually shoot just chuckle a lot because we know its not trying to be a 30-06. Put simply, anything the 30-06 can do at 400 yards and under, the 7mm PRC can too.. and then it can do it some more out to 500, 600, 700 all the way out to 1000 yards. Some of us actually take game out past 200 yards old timer.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
And those of us that can actually shoot just chuckle a lot because we know its not trying to be a 30-06. Put simply, anything the 30-06 can do at 400 yards and under, the 7mm PRC can too.. and then it can do it some more out to 500, 600, 700 all the way out to 1000 yards. Some of us actually take game out past 200 yards old timer.
Boy Howdy!
Don't discount the ability of "old timers" to chuckle at still being able to kill stuff under 200 yds. with a 30-06 in their 'golden years'..........
The Hurt Feeler Reports runneth over,from Whining Brokedicks,who only "shoot" their mouths and Imaginations...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Spin a Texan in a circle within a phone booth and they'd have to call 911 for an extraction. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
For someone who wants to do a lot of shooting beyond 400-500 yards the 7mm PRC should be a great cartridge.
For the more average hunter, it doesn't do much that a 7mm Rem Mag won't do. And if you rebarrel your 7mm RM with a 1/8 twist it should do most of what a PRC will do.
Just another option for shooters to choose from as I see it.
The Hurt Feeler Reports runneth over,from Whining Brokedicks,who only "shoot" their mouths and Imaginations...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Spin a Texan in a circle within a phone booth and they'd have to call 911 for an extraction. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
B,
Appreciate your concern,
but not to worry
I have a goodly supply of quarters.
a cell phone,
and more than a few rifles
chambered for the 30-06 Springfield
but I will admit that although most have been blooded
none have been thrown in crick' or on a dirt pile!
There hasn't been a significant cartridge I produced since the mid 60s.
And that's being generous by considering factory rounds that achieved popularity.
The 204 is perhaps an exception. Even it has faded and seems behind the rounds it was supposed to beat.
Chose the 60s for the 7mm Rem and Winchester magnums. H&H actually had that covered many years before, but original powders and pressures held them back.
I really wish the 7mm-08 was more significant. But I'd still list it as a great cartridge introduced after the 1960s
RickyBobby, in your world, the 7mm PRC would do nothing for you. In my world, the 30-06, as great as it is, gets left behind. And absolutely nothing wrong with any of that, exactly why there's different stuff. But just because the PRC doesn't work for you...
geedubya, great stuff as always!
Lots of different personalities and opinions here...
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Never have owned a new vehicle.
Have owned some new firearms.
It's been quite enjoybable figuring out which ones I like and which ones I don't like, which are keepers and which to let follow someone else home.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Kinda like back in 1906...
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
Yep , that is why I didn’t get sucked into the 6.5 thing . Over the years of shooting I figured out the trajectory of 06 is only improved by small amounts , not enough the average shooter as myself will concern hisself with . Even energy levels of non magnum cartridges can give the 06 any bumps to hurdle . Kenneth
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
And those of us that can actually shoot just chuckle a lot because we know its not trying to be a 30-06. Put simply, anything the 30-06 can do at 400 yards and under, the 7mm PRC can too.. and then it can do it some more out to 500, 600, 700 all the way out to 1000 yards. Some of us actually take game out past 200 yards old timer.
Boy Howdy!
Don't discount the ability of "old timers" to chuckle at still being able to kill stuff under 200 yds. with a 30-06 in their 'golden years'..........
ya!
GWB
PS: Welcome to the forum, youngster!
Thanks for the welcome lol. I wasnt discounting anyones ability to take game at 200 yards and under with any cartridge. Moreso discounting the OPs post as what the goal of the 7mm PRC is, which isnt taking game at under 200 yards, or trying to be a 30-06 lol. I mean come on, almost anything above a .22lr will take game at that range. No one is trying to take 30-06 from you guys. .
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Spoken like a true female that doesnt know the differences between trucks lol
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Spoken like a true female that doesnt know the differences between trucks lol
Sorry I triggered you to the point of calling names and making blind assumptions. Welcome to the Fire. lol
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Kinda like back in 1906...
I prefer the 7x57 from 1892, but do admit that the 30-06 was a small improvement over the 7x57.
Some "cool" <sarc> shooters like the older obscure classics to get their cool fix when they bring something different into the deer camp. The gun makers don't pander to us much.
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Spoken like a true female that doesnt know the differences between trucks lol
Sorry I triggered you to the point of calling names and making blind assumptions. Welcome to the Fire. lol
You seem more triggered than I am lol. Just making an honest assessment. Just like a female not realizing theres diesel trucks, gas trucks, 2WD, 4x4, etc. All she sees are trucks. Thats where youre similar not seeing the differences in cartridges. 🤷♂️
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Spoken like a true female that doesnt know the differences between trucks lol
Sorry I triggered you to the point of calling names and making blind assumptions. Welcome to the Fire. lol
You seem more triggered than I am lol. Just making an honest assessment. Just like a female not realizing theres diesel trucks, gas trucks, 2WD, 4x4, etc. All she sees are trucks. Thats where youre similar not seeing the differences in cartridges. 🤷♂️
Is this Larry from Paradise? Sorry but that gig is already taken here. Keep moving along, newbie.
I think all the PRC cartridges have a lot to offer. May even build a 6.5 or .300 myself.
The only complaint I have about new cartridges coming out is when manufacturers dedicate limited resources and time in the production schedule to produce components for the tried and true. Diverting production from proven winners to make future losers is pretty annoying when everything is in short supply anyway.
There's nothing new under the sun. They're all the same in that they are all subject to the same laws of physics, endowing them with their own limitations, capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses.
What ever works for a given situation...
Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
New cartridges are like new trucks. All the "cool" guys buy the new ones so they can show them off to their friends, but in the end it's still a truck.
Spoken like a true female that doesnt know the differences between trucks lol
Sorry I triggered you to the point of calling names and making blind assumptions. Welcome to the Fire. lol
You seem more triggered than I am lol. Just making an honest assessment. Just like a female not realizing theres diesel trucks, gas trucks, 2WD, 4x4, etc. All she sees are trucks. Thats where youre similar not seeing the differences in cartridges. 🤷♂️
Is this Larry from Paradise? Sorry but that gig is already taken here. Keep moving along, newbie.
You just pick out whichever truck you think is prettiest cutie. You look like youd make a good passenger princess
I just wish the firearms industry would contine to support the new things they try to sell us. I am reluctant to buy the newest whiz bang chambering and then in a few years they quit making ammo and components for it. The oddball I have is a 35 Whelen and thankfully I bought a bunch of brass early and enough bullets to hunt with it. At least with a 270 or 30-06 you can buy ammo for it. And they both work.
I just wish the firearms industry would contine to support the new things they try to sell us. I am reluctant to buy the newest whiz bang chambering and then in a few years they quit making ammo and components for it. The oddball I have is a 35 Whelen and thankfully I bought a bunch of brass early and enough bullets to hunt with it. At least with a 270 or 30-06 you can buy ammo for it. And they both work.
Now this we can agree on. The one thing the 270 and 30-06 will have the advantage in is availability. That being said, I did buy about 500 rounds of 7mm PRC from the get go so I know Id at least have reusable brass for quite some time. Luckily 7mm components are oretty easy to find.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
At 64 and tired of BS, you're exactly right! I kinda chuckle too, and kinda see Bearclaw Chris Lapp, riding into Jeremiah's camp, see him in his older age, staring into the fire, and see all that confusion in his head, about what cartridge to shoot next, which rifle??? Bearclaw just feels pity, says, "You've come far Pilgrim! Twere it worth the trouble!?" Eventually Bearclaw mounts up to ride off. In his Saddle Bag, several cans powder, all 4350 & 4064. And a mule just to pack his vast array of bullets, mostly Speer H.C. & Nosler Partitions, from 125gr to 225gr!! And Bearclaws last comment is, "An 06 will get it done from here well past the Mussel Shell! Good thing to know when times get hard! I bid you a Farewell!"
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
At 64 and tired of BS, you're exactly right! I kinda chuckle too, and kinda see Bearclaw Chris Lapp, riding into Jeremiah's camp, see him in his older age, staring into the fire, and see all that confusion in his head, about what cartridge to shoot next, which rifle??? Bearclaw just feels pity, says, "You've come far Pilgrim! Twere it worth the trouble!?" Eventually Bearclaw mounts up to ride off. In his Saddle Bag, several cans powder, all 4350 & 4064. And a mule just to pack his vast array of bullets, mostly Speer H.C. & Nosler Partitions, from 125gr to 225gr!! And Bearclaws last comment is, "An 06 will get it done from here well past the Mussel Shell! Good thing to know when times get hard! I bid you a Farewell!"
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
At 64 and tired of BS, you're exactly right! I kinda chuckle too, and kinda see Bearclaw Chris Lapp, riding into Jeremiah's camp, see him in his older age, staring into the fire, and see all that confusion in his head, about what cartridge to shoot next, which rifle??? Bearclaw just feels pity, says, "You've come far Pilgrim! Twere it worth the trouble!?" Eventually Bearclaw mounts up to ride off. In his Saddle Bag, several cans powder, all 4350 & 4064. And a mule just to pack his vast array of bullets, mostly Speer H.C. & Nosler Partitions, from 125gr to 225gr!! And Bearclaws last comment is, "An 06 will get it done from here well past the Mussel Shell! Good thing to know when times get hard! I bid you a Farewell!"
That's some bad-ass new sock puppet we got here...rattlesnake mean! What a dick.
He'll be gone once grade school starts up again.
Been done with grade school for about 30 years, done with my masters for about 20. Sorry your little ego couldnt handle a little ribbing haha. We can get the suture kit out for that bleeding you got going on.
You could always take a pic,with today's date,with "all" that ammo and REALLY "show" her. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t?
Chose a 308 Winchester in 1978 for my first hunting cartridge. I still do today. I have 8 of them. Though I have other chambering, I still prefer my 308.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
The 308 Win started by looking at the 300 Savage! 2 great cartridges!
I certainly agree! And I'm not against new, but after I finally got a 30-06, it just became so plain, the versatility of this cartridge for really every continent, is unreal! RB statement of the 7mm PRC, never being a 06, it's true. But that don't take away from some very extreme possibilities for it! I'd still like to have an old Mauser in 7x57, but don't need it! And my favorite rifle for around here is still one my 30-30's Levers, just love em! But the 7PRC, it don't interest me, but the old 300 Savage, that's interesting! It's a wonderful world this gun world!
I run a .308, have for years. Before that, it was an ‘06. Both have done what I needed, never felt I needed more. I live in southern MO, not more than a 300 yard shot where I hunt, and all my deer but one have been at less than 100 yards, the vast majority around 20 yards. I could have use my 4-3/8” Ruger SBH in .44 Mag for most of them. Or a 10-22, if the rules were not an issue.
That said, I do shoot out to 1000 yards, and that is a long poke for a .308. Been looking at the 7 prc as an everything rifle. Factory loads that will kill anything, anywhere I will ever hunt. I am headed west in a few years, to stay, so that wind drift reduction could be handy, both for hunting and target shooting. Yeah, a lot of its benefit over an ‘06 comes into play out past 500 yards. And under 500 yards, it will do anything an ‘06 will do as well, maybe better. So as a one gun solution for everything I do, or plan to, it looks pretty decent. Running bullets in similar weights to normal 30-06 bullets, at higher speeds and better bc’s is not a negative.
The 6.8 Western caught my eye for a second. Then I thought about Winchester’s abysmal support of their recent cartridges such as the 7WSM and others, and it lost me. Hate belted cartridges. This PRC has a lot of what I like, and very little I don’t. But I am simply looking at it as a versatile cartridge I can buy a good factory load for and spend my time out shooting it. The second coming of Jesus, it ain’t. It isn’t the devil, either, just another cartridge among many. Some have a use for it, others may not.
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
At 64 and tired of BS, you're exactly right! I kinda chuckle too, and kinda see Bearclaw Chris Lapp, riding into Jeremiah's camp, see him in his older age, staring into the fire, and see all that confusion in his head, about what cartridge to shoot next, which rifle??? Bearclaw just feels pity, says, "You've come far Pilgrim! Twere it worth the trouble!?" Eventually Bearclaw mounts up to ride off. In his Saddle Bag, several cans powder, all 4350 & 4064. And a mule just to pack his vast array of bullets, mostly Speer H.C. & Nosler Partitions, from 125gr to 225gr!! And Bearclaws last comment is, "An 06 will get it done from here well past the Mussel Shell! Good thing to know when times get hard! I bid you a Farewell!"
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants".
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
That 187 in a 7-30 waters would be the cats ass…
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
That 187 in a 7-30 waters would be the cats ass…
nope, that's a 30 cal bullet
"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants".
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
7PRC actually keeps up pretty well with the 7mm Wby, with the slight edge going to the 7mm Wby. The 7PRC actually way out performs the 7mm Rem Mag on paper. Also dont have to deal with that belted case crap as a reloader.
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
That 187 in a 7-30 waters would be the cats ass…
nope, that's a 30 cal bullet
Ok in a 30-30 then. Be shooting to the moon.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
I see where now the 160gr .284 Hornady CX is out, carrying a BC of right at .600, not far off the old 162 A-Max. They claim it needs a 1-8 twist to spin it and the 7mm PRC factory load advertises 3,000FPS. For a near/far moderately-recoiling hunting combo that should penetrate deep from nearly any angle, that combo looks fairly tough to beat.
Meh, it's actually fairly easy to beat that CX crap into a bloody squirming mess
I'm slinging the 187 gr Afterburner at 3500 fps, it's designed to open up down to 1650 fps with that aluminum tip and big asz hollow point under it, get 1683 fps at 1500 yards for 1200 ft lbs... Now that's a near/far bullet/cartridge combo
that 7 PRiC ain't got shyte over the 7mm Rem and 7mm Wby, and they've never been that great for long range hunting to begin with
7PRC actually keeps up pretty well with the 7mm Wby, with the slight edge going to the 7mm Wby. The 7PRC actually way out performs the 7mm Rem Mag on paper. Also dont have to deal with that belted case crap as a reloader.
The 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm Wby are the same fhuqking case. They are birds of a feather,when talking like barrel length/pressure. Hint.
Pass the 7mm RemMag,the .796 BC 180 ELD and hold The Fluff. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The Hurt Feeler Reports from The Do NOTHING Gang,are funnier than fhuqk. Perhaps consider holding your breath,for MAXIMUM "effect",as you Hissy your Fit(s)...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
The 284 Prick does what NOTHING ever has before and that is to combine a .796 BC at nearly 3000fps in Factory Fodder,with Factory Rifles expressly engineered to house same. Bullets matter wayyyyyy more than headstamps ladies,if only to your collective Brokedick Whining chagrin. Hint.
For you MOST Tender Of CLUELESS Kchunts,simply cite the chamberings and projectiles,which spare your VERY Tender Feelings. This will make Direct Hits even easier,on your Estrogen fueled Emotions. HINT.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Ain't it a fhuqking HILARIOUS constant,that the only thing you "bring" are Hurt Feelers and Stolen Pictures...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Pardon wares that exist,as you Whine aloud. Hint.
Now you can say you've "seen" a 180,though you couldn't pick it out of the crowd. This is a VERY Big Day,for someone like you. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Last year I bought a TC CM thinking about using it to burn ap all the left over 6.5 left over bullets from the last melinium of 4 or 5 6.5 rifles that have all gone to other folks, while my right shoulder got enrolled into a healing schedule, due to bone spurs left over by VA Dallas in and around the right shoulder socket. I've still got a mixed lot of about a K of 6 or 7 brands and styles, but the double fist sized non malignant tumor behind my ear that prevented me from being able to raising my hand even to scratch my ear, has NOW been flushed down the toilet Praise God. Then the Shingles nitemare erupted....
Please Keep this conversation alive since the PRC looks like a major improvement over the standard Creed More rifle can produce as far as a game getter. Last friday I paid next years Range Fee ....and stumbled into a cherry deal on a Ruger 7RMg that sounds like it would fit well with my pair of 270's ..... AND the rough looking all composite TC Creed More that was bought specifically for use in and around the Movie Set left over from the 1950's movies set of "Creature from the Black Lagoon".. Find Tyler, Texas, Palestine Texas or Jacksonville, Texas to see what I'm talking about.
We are having a drought and both of the local newspapers have published pic's of the Civil War Era ocean going sized ships that have emerged from the bottom of the Sabine River to see what I'm talking about, just up river from Jacksonville. Ron
Last year I bought a TC CM thinking about using it to burn ap all the left over 6.5 left over bullets from the last melinium of 4 or 5 6.5 rifles that have all gone to other folks, while my right shoulder got enrolled into a healing schedule, due to bone spurs left over by VA Dallas in and around the right shoulder socket. I've still got a mixed lot of about a K of 6 or 7 brands and styles, but the double fist sized non malignant tumor behind my ear that prevented me from being able to raising my hand even to scratch my ear, has NOW been flushed down the toilet Praise God. Then the Shingles nitemare erupted....
Please Keep this conversation alive since the PRC looks like a major improvement over the standard Creed More rifle can produce as far as a game getter. Last friday I paid next years Range Fee ....and stumbled into a cherry deal on a Ruger 7RMg that sounds like it would fit well with my pair of 270's ..... AND the rough looking all composite TC Creed More that was bought specifically for use in and around the Movie Set left over from the 1950's movies set of "Creature from the Black Lagoon".. Find Tyler, Texas, Palestine Texas or Jacksonville, Texas to see what I'm talking about.
We are having a drought and both of the local newspapers have published pic's of the Civil War Era ocean going sized ships that have emerged from the bottom of the Sabine River to see what I'm talking about, just up river from Jacksonville. Ron
I don't understand why anyone would get worked up over a new cartridge. Grumpy boomers I guess? Compare away, that's what makes it fun. Even if the 7 PRC is better.
I don't understand why anyone would get worked up over a new cartridge. Grumpy boomers I guess? Compare away, that's what makes it fun. Even if the 7 PRC is better.
Well... thankfully I'm not a grumpy boomer, just a regular boomer! And I like performance, whether it's my 600hp Camaro, my nicely set up Tundra, my rifles, my pistols... whatever!
I picked up a 7mm PRC, to augment my 7mm Rem Mags, because I wanted to, absolutely no need involved.
This is just another opinion thread... and opinions are like a**holes....
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
While usually not particularly grumpy I'm as much of an 06 guy as you'll find. I've only ever shot big game with one of three .30-06's - my dad's BAR, a post '64 model 70 (that shoots lights out) and my faithful pump gun. I LOVE the .30-06. I will never NEED anything else. The one and only centerfire rifle I've ever purchased was my Remington .30-06 carbine pump gun (loonyism's symptoms don't always include "churning") and that was 20 years ago.
Just had a rifle built in 7PRC. I don't need the damn thing but I sure am having fun with it! It definitely does things my .30-06's won't which is not your point. Will the differences ever make any real world difference to a hunter like me? Almost certainly not. But, theoretically they could! And, one of the funnest things that the 7PRC is that the '06 just can't be is new. You should get one, RickyBobby!
"One should not talk to a skilled hunter about what is forbidden by the Buddha."
I suppose when I was younger a new cartridge rolling on the scene was sorta interesting. As I get older, it seems I just chuckle a bit and think to myself … what can this chambering do that my 30/06 can’t? I’m sure you’ll hear from folks claiming some sorta niche it may be capable of but I got to ask myself is it something we all really were looking for? Simplicity is what satisfies myself these days. I guess we will see how much marketing is dumped into another cartridge.
While usually not particularly grumpy I'm as much of an 06 guy as you'll find. I've only ever shot big game with one of three .30-06's - my dad's BAR, a post '64 model 70 (that shoots lights out) and my faithful pump gun. I LOVE the .30-06. I will never NEED anything else. The one and only centerfire rifle I've ever purchased was my Remington .30-06 carbine pump gun (loonyism's symptoms don't always include "churning") and that was 20 years ago.
Just had a rifle built in 7PRC. I don't need the damn thing but I sure am having fun with it! It definitely does things my .30-06's won't which is not your point. Will the differences ever make any real world difference to a hunter like me? Almost certainly not. But, theoretically they could! And, one of the funnest things that the 7PRC is that the '06 just can't be is new. You should get one, RickyBobby!
You should take some long range classes. Stretch that 7PRCs legs out. Will really give you an appreciation for what it can do over a 30-06. I was shocked when I dropped my first elk at 688yards. My 30-06 cant do that.
You're probably right, RobHazmat. I would probably really enjoy learning to shoot at those distances. Opportunities for that in my neck of the woods are limited. I think, there's a 1,000 yard range 3 hours from me.
"One should not talk to a skilled hunter about what is forbidden by the Buddha."
You're probably right, RobHazmat. I would probably really enjoy learning to shoot at those distances. Opportunities for that in my neck of the woods are limited. I think, there's a 1,000 yard range 3 hours from me.
It was the same for me in Florida, not a whole lot of ranges past 100 yards here. I decided to take some long range classes when I was visiting home in Michigan. I got hooked and got more training. One of the coolest experiences so far as a hunter. Its nice when youre confident enough in your cartridge to be able to hit out to that distance, and also confident enough that itll actually drop what youre shooting at. At this point i dont really have a need for my 30-06, other than nostalgia. But my 7PRC is probably going to stay as my "do-it-all" rifle from here on out.
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