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Joel Souza told authorities that Baldwin was practicing his cross draw.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/entertainment/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-shooting-monday/index.html

I hope you did not intetpret my post as absolving Baldwin of guilt in this matter.

If anything, the quote, if true makes Baldwin's act more egregious than if it had happened as an actual part of production.

I want to see his perp walk.

I have seen that, but hadn't considered how impactful the associated testimony will be until now. That testimony has the potential to be a very heavy hammer.

It's probably as big of a deal as him pulling the trigger.

I think with the exception of a couple, everyone agrees that the two charged are guilty and should be found guilty by a jury after a trial.


How many think that’s going to happen when the jury will be comprised of leftist Santa Fe New Mexicans who look like this?:

If the prosecution does their job, they will paint the victim as being one of them.

All it takes is one who hates trump and loves Baldwin’s SNL impression

This case will be won by baldwin’s defense team as soon as jury selection concludes

There's a huge difference in thinking he might get off due to liberal scum being star struck and acting like he's not guilty or liable for his actions because "Much Hollywood"

From the article cited above:

When asked how Baldwin handled the firearm, Russell told investigators the actor “had been very careful” and recalled an earlier instance when Baldwin “made sure it was safe and that a child wasn’t near him when they were discharging a firearm during that scene.”

Admittedly, I haven't read all 41 pages of this thread, but if Baldwin was only practicing his draw, getting camera angles and lighting right, etc., why would there even be blanks in the gun? If Baldwin used any modicum of safety and common sense, he would have seen at least the rims of the cartridges in the cylinder and should have questioned it then and there. From the video I saw of the event, it didn't look like anyone had hearing protection on, which you would expect if they were anticipating a blank cartridge to be fired.

Jeez, some guys will look for any excuse to post pics of their girlfriends.

A better question might be: "what are the industry standards for having ANY functional firearms on set during a rehearsal?"

You can't accidently load a rubber prop

19 Stone

😂

Sorry, my bad. I got this thread mixed up with the "Eating Whales" thread.

That’s for sure and why I stated that most can see he and the armorer should be convicted and would be if the jury was comprised of normal, rational people


You can come here and argue with those who think they are not at fault but it’s just an exercise in futility

I think reality will be like I stated above

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Religious convictions often have nothing tp do with religion.

Folks say there is video of the shooting. I have not seen it.

In correlation. An idiot cousin of mine, circa 1980, often wore a western style (Marshal Dillon) holster with a Ruger 4 5/8" three screw in 357.

One day he and another cousin removed the cylinder from the revolver and were playing fast draw in the living room for an hour or so.

Dummy replaced the cylinder, and dropped the Ruger back into his holster.

About 1/2 hour later, he snatched the gun out of the holster and drilled his Mother's piano, dead center.

He stood there looking stupid for a few seconds, and declared: Schitt I forgot I put the cylinder back.

I kind of expect that we will learn Baldwin acted in just as negligent a fashion.

Because it is all intentionally dishonest, misleading and false? Let's run with that!

This is from Variety, yesterday. A Long read but informative. Variety is the industry newspaper, along with The Hollywood Reporter. A number of contradictions coming out.

"AD" means Assistant Director.




"[First AD Dave] Halls’ memory of the events of that day differs in important ways from the narrative that has emerged from the accounts of others. Assuming he is called to testify, the defense is likely to highlight those discrepancies.

“We are aware of the apparent contradictions in the testimony,” said Heather Brewer, spokeswoman for the Santa Fe district attorney. “However, we are confident that there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate negligence and to secure justice for Halyna Hutchins.”

Halls has not talked to the media about the October 2021 shooting, and his account of that day has not previously been told.

On Dec. 13, he participated in a Zoom deposition with attorneys from the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety Bureau, which is seeking to impose a $136,793 penalty for workplace safety violations.

Hutchins, the cinematographer, was killed while preparing to film a scene at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe. Baldwin was holding a Colt .45 when it fired a single live round. Investigators have not determined how the live round made it onto the set.

Gutierrez Reed loaded the gun, and did not notice the difference in color between the live round and the inert dummy rounds that bore the same Starline Brass brand marking.

Halls has come in for harsh criticism for two actions just prior to the shooting. First, according to the widely reported narrative, Halls took the gun from Gutierrez Reed and handed it to Baldwin. (First A.D.s typically do not touch firearms on set.) Second, he declared it a “cold gun,” meaning it did not carry an explosive charge.

But in his deposition, Halls denied that he had done either of those things.

Halls testified that he checked the gun with Gutierrez Reed — as was their typical practice — and then she was the one who handed it directly to Baldwin.

He also said he did not announce that it was a “cold gun.”

“I don’t have any recollection of me saying that,” Halls said. “I have recollections of Hannah saying it.”

Halls’ version is at odds with Gutierrez Reed’s account, which she has given in police interviews and in her own OSHA deposition, which took place on Dec. 7. She has said that she handed the gun to Halls, and that Baldwin was not in the room when she walked out.

In an email, Gutierrez Reed’s attorney said that Halls is mistaken.

“Mr. Halls is absolutely incorrect on this point and he handed the gun to Mr. Baldwin and yelled ‘cold gun,'” said the attorney, Jason Bowles. “This will be proven in court.”

Investigators also heard contradictory statements from other eyewitnesses. Zac Sneesby, the boom operator, said he saw her give the gun to Halls. But Ross Addigo, the dolly grip, said that she handed it to Baldwin.

Baldwin has given conflicting accounts, initially telling investigators Gutierrez Reed gave him the gun, but later saying that it was Halls. In his first interview, Baldwin said he merely assumed the gun was “cold.” But in the latter account, Baldwin said that Halls declared it a “cold gun.”

Joel Souza, the film’s director, told police that Halls announced a “cold gun” while they were filming earlier in the day. But Souza, who was struck in the shoulder by the bullet, said he did not remember if Halls had also said it just prior to the shooting.

In her deposition, Gutierrez Reed said she never uses the term “cold gun.”

“I don’t like the term ‘cold gun,'” she testified. “I know it got thrown around a lot on the set. That was mostly Dave’s terminology.”

The accounts of Gutierrez Reed and Halls differ in another significant way. In her telling, Halls was the one making decisions about the gun. But in his version, she was.

Gutierrez Reed testified that Halls told her to bring the gun into the church building. She said that normally, when the crew was lining up the camera, she would bring a plastic gun, but Halls wanted her to bring the real one. He also seemed to want it urgently, forcing her to rush.

“He was like, all right, hurry up, bring the gun in here,” she testified. She said she brought the gun, which she had already loaded with dummies, and asked Halls to do a weapons check. Halls answered that “We don’t have time,” she testified.

She said that she spun the cylinder to allow Halls to look at the dummies, and then left the gun with him. She said she exited the room partly due to COVID restrictions on building occupancy, and also because she had to attend to other prop and armorer duties.

“They usually don’t have me in there unless we’re actually shooting the ammunitions,” she said.

Halls told a much different account. According to Halls, Gutierrez Reed brought the gun into the building and showed him that it was empty — containing no dummies. She then handed it to Baldwin.

A few minutes later, she returned and told him, “I put dummy rounds in the gun.” He said that she had decided to do so of her own accord.

“Because it was such a tight shot of this revolver, I think Hannah made a creative decision that, you know, dummy rounds should be in there to make sure that the gun looks like it’s loaded,” Halls testified.

She showed Halls the gun again, and he saw three or four rounds — all of which appeared to be dummies because they had depressed primers. He did not remember whether she spun the cylinder or not. She then gave the gun back to Baldwin, Halls said.

He said he did not know if she left the church after that.

Halls testified that at some point, Baldwin adjusted his shoulder holster and asked Halls to hold the gun briefly. He said that he held it by the handle with two fingers, away from his body, like a “stinky diaper.”

“So that’s the one time I held the gun,” he said.

Asked if he would do anything differently in hindsight, he said that he would ask Gutierrez Reed to load the dummies in front of him.

When the gun went off, Halls said he assumed that it was a blank — a round with an explosive charge but no projectile.

“It was unfathomable that there could ever be a live round of ammunition on a film set,” he testified.

In the chaos that ensued, Baldwin set the gun on a church pew. Halls picked it up and brought it outside to Gutierrez Reed, and watched as she unloaded it. They found five dummy rounds and one spent shell casing.

Asked how a live round could have gotten on the set, Halls answered: “I have no idea.”

Halls defended the overall safety practices of the production. He pushed back on criticism that he did not hold enough safety meetings, saying he did so “almost every day.” And he testified that he believes Gutierrez Reed was a competent armorer.

Gutierrez Reed was unemployed for a year after “Rust.” She now does social media for a commercial real estate company in Arizona.

Halls’ attorney, Lisa Torraco, declined to comment for this story, citing the pending charges.

Halls lived in New Mexico at the time of the shooting, but has since relocated to Minnesota. He worked on about 30 to 40 films over a 30-year career, but has now retired as a first A.D.

“I no longer desire to do that job,” he testified."


FWIW.

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You were marinated from childhood all right, but not in any rules regarding safe gun handling.

No wonder you are castigated and pilloried daily and for many years now here. You're the OG kook here, dude. I know you can't own it, because you're so off.

Just for S&Gs, how many 'Fire members have you ever met in person? You've been a daily contributor for what, two decades plus now? Please report back on exactly how many fellow 'Fire members you've spent any time with. We can wait.