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At the time lived within 20 miles of BTK killings
1st wife was friends with the Clutter girl. "In Cold Blood"

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One of the bloodiest bank robberies in history took place less than a mile from our office 21 years ago.

https://www.norfolkneradio.com/news...3192d6a-3e08-11ed-baaf-37eba0108bfd.html

Three POS Hispanic pricks decided to rob a small bank branch office. The first jackoff thru the door killed the branch manager in her office within 10 seconds of going into the building. Then they began killing everyone there. Within 40 seconds everyone they could find had been killed. I knew two of the victims well. The bookkeeper at the local Goodyear store started into the building and realized what was going on. She turned and began running down the sidewalk. One of the SOB’s ran after her and shot her. Fortunately, she was just hit in the shoulder which didn’t kill her. The shooter then decided to try to kill the gal at the drive-thru at the Burger King across the street. Shot at her several times but the window in the drive-thru was bullet proof and she wasn’t injured. The driver for this bunch of retards was sitting in a stolen car in the parking lot. He heard the shooting and left the scene for parts unknown. Bereft of wheels, the rest of the gang took off running thru the residential neighborhood. They spotted a Subaru in a driveway and crashed thru the door of the house. The elderly couple who owned the house were still in bed. Their daughter, who graduated high school with me, was making coffee when they burst in. They demanded the keys to the car, which she gave them, then the leader grabbed her and forced her to her knees. He put his pistol to the back of her head and pulled the trigger . Fortunately, he’d forgotten all of the shooting he’d done previously. The gun was empty. He whacked her on the head and they took the car and left. Seventy five miles and several stolen vehicles later, they stopped at a Mickie D’S. The local police chief arrested them without any resistance.

When the story was all told, there were two more murders - and - probably three, committed by these [bleep]. As if that wasn’t bad enough, a young highway patrolman committed suicide after it was learned that he’d arrested the two of the gang a couple days earlier but had to release them because of a clerical error.


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Is this about the most notorious crimes in your area or the most notorious crimes to which you had some kind of personal connection? There could be a difference, or not.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Is this about the most notorious crimes in your area or the most notorious crimes to which you had some kind of personal connection? There could be a difference, or not.

It was about the most notorious in my area, and I just happened to know the people.

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The neighbor got hacked on with a machete. He could have died but the dumb SOB that had the machete was hitting the victim with the back side of the blade instead of the sharp edge

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In 1975 or maybe '76, I had a friend that purposely ripped a tag right off a brand new twin mattress. Never heard from him after that incident. Hear tell he made his way into Canada by swimming the St. Lawrence River. It devastated his family.


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Johnny Dollar mentioning Mickie D's reminded me.

The guy who was on video going into Wal-Mart to buy a hacksaw.
Sawing the barrel off a shotgun in his car.
Then killing his estranged wife while she took a smoke break by the McDonald's dumpster. That was an easy on to solve and convict.

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Big Harpe and Little Harpe


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Micajah and Wiley Harpe –known respectively as "Big" and "Little" Harpe—spread misery and terror through the western frontier in the 1790s. They took what they wanted and recognized no law, leaving a trail of death and destruction through Kentucky and Tennessee. More heinous than mere outlaws, the Harpes had declared war on humanity, killing men, women, and children indiscriminately; repaying frontier hospitality with arson and death. The Harpes are considered by many to be the first recorded serial killers in American history.

Date: 1798 -1799

Location: Tennessee and Kentucky

Victims: 25 - 40 men, women, and children

Cause of Death: Shooting, slashing, chopping

Accused: Micajah "Big" Harpe and Wiley "Little" Harpe

Synopsis:

Though their story ends a few years prior to the 19th Century, the Harpes have already been mentioned several times on Murder by Gaslight and they deserve a post of their own. When Investigating a story this old, one tends to find the facts obscured by legend, but the tale of Micajah and Wiley Harpe has remained remarkably constant for over 200 years. Writing in 1828, just 29 years after the events, Judge James Hall said:

“In collecting oral testimony of events long past, a considerable variety will often be found in the statements of the persons conversant with the circumstances. In this case, I have found none, except as to the fact of the two Harpes having exchanged horses.”

We’ll get to the exchanged horses in a minute, but unlike most of the older stories at Murder by Gaslight, there is really only one version of the Harpe’s story. This is partially because the facts have been preserved in legal documents, newspaper stories, and reminiscences by people like Judge Hall, and partially because the facts surrounding the Harpe’s are so atrocious they would be impossible to embellish or romanticize.

Though they were known as the Harpe brothers, Micajah and Wiley Harpe were first cousins, sons of William and Joshua Harpe, who had come from Scotland and settled in North Carolina. During the American Revolution Micajah and Wiley fought with the Chickamauga Indians on the side of England against the American rebels. As loyalists, they were forced to flee their homes after the American victory and they moved to the Knoxville area of Tennessee.

Micajah was the older and larger of the two and came to be known as “Big” Harpe. A warrant later issued by Kentucky Governor Gerrad describes Big Harpe as:

“About six feet high, of robust make…built very straight…full fleshed in the face…ill-looking downcast countenance…his hair black and short but comes very much down his forehead.”

Other accounts describe Big Harpe as tall as six foot four.

Wiley was known as “Little” Harpe and he was described as:

“very meager in his face, has short black hair, but not quite so curly as his brother’s, he looks older, though is really younger.”

Most sources say Little Harpe’s hair was red – his distinguishing feature.

In 1797 Little Harpe—then in his late twenties or early thirties—married a “pretty and delicate” woman about 20 years old named Sarah “Sally” Rice. Not to be outdone, Big Harpe came home with two wives—his legal wife, Susannah Roberts, described as “rather tall, rawboned, dark hair and eyes and rather ugly” and his “subordinate” wife, Susannah's sister Betsy, described as “rather handsome, light hair and blue eyes and a perfect contrast with her sister.” The five settled in together in a cabin outside of Knoxville.

Not long after, horses and other livestock began to disappear from neighboring farms. At the same time, the Harpes became known for supplying local stores with pork and mutton. In 1798 Edward Tiel tracked his missing horses to the Harpe cabin. The cabin was empty so Tiel and a number of companions continued tracking until they overtook the Harpes with the stolen horses. The Harpes surrendered but escaped before they could be taken to Knoxville.

The Harpe women would later call this the turning point when their men “declared war on all mankind.” They first began burning stables belonging to prominent Knoxville citizens and robbing their houses during the chaos, but soon they turned to murder. They seized a man named Johnson from a Knoxville tavern and a few days later his body was found, gutted and filled with stones, in the Holston River.

The Harpes and their women fled north to Kentucky and began a murderous rampage. They robbed and murdered a peddler named Peyton near the Cumberland River. On the road they met two travelers named Paca and Bates and persuaded them to travel with them for safety. The Harpes shot the two men from horseback. Bates died instantly but Big Harpe had to finish off Paca with his tomahawk.

Gaining the trust of susceptible victims became the Harpe’s modus operandi. They were known to burn down houses and murder the inhabitants leaving with nothing more than they would have obtained from the simple hospitality of the homeowners. They murdered a young slave—smashed his head against a tree—and left behind his horse and the grain he had been carrying.

In one case the Harpe family’s breakfast bill at a tavern was paid for by a traveler named Thomas Lankford. Lankford was later robbed and murdered by tomahawk about ten miles from the tavern. The Harpes were immediately suspected. They were overtaken and arrested in Hustonville, Kentucky on Christmas Day 1798. All three Harpe women were pregnant at the time of the arrest and two gave birth in prison that winter but the family did not stay together long; Big and Little Harpe escaped jail on March 16, 1799. The women were later acquitted of the murders and eventually rejoined their men.

The fugitives were pursued by a posse led by “Devil Joe” Ballenger, and a reward was placed on their heads, but the Harpes' murder spree continued in Kentucky. The body of Johnny Trabue, son of Revolutionary War veteran Col. Daniel Trabue, was found dismembered near a grist mill. He had been butchered for a sack of flour. Frederick Stump, Jr. was hunting on his farm when the Harpes slit his throat and stole his rifle. His corpse bore the Harpe’s signature: gutted and filed with stones in the Barren River.

The Harpes traveled as far north as Cave-In-Rock, Illinois—literally a cave in the rocks inhabited by river pirates. Allegedly the other outlaws were so appalled by the behavior of the Harpes, that they drove them out of the cave and back to Kentucky.

In one notable incident the Harpes impersonated Methodist ministers and went to the house of Moses Stegall. Stegall worked both sides of the law and he and his wife knew the Harpes from their days in Knoxville. Moses was gone when they arrived but his wife kept their identity secret from her other guests. What happened next varies somewhat from telling to telling. In some accounts the Harpes arranged to sleep apart, each with another traveler with the express purpose of killing the tavelers. In other tellings the only traveller was Major William Love, who shared a room with Big Harpe. Harpe became so enraged by the Colonel’s snoring that he smashed the colonel’s head with his tomahawk. In both versions the Harpes later murdered Mrs. Stegall and her infant son and burned down their house.

The killing continued until they were tracked by a posse that included a vengeful Moses Stegall. The two Harpes abandoned the women and headed in different directions. The posse on horseback followed Big Harpe. Here is the variation noted by Judge Hall. In some accounts the Harpes inadvertently exchanged horses in the chaos. Big Harpe, who thought he was on his extremely strong and powerful horse, was actually riding his cousin’s weaker animal. Confident he could outrun the posse, Big Harpe stayed on horseback when it would have been better to dismount and take to the trees. Others say Big Harpe was simply outrun by the posse.

John Leiper, a friend of Moses Stegall, overtook Harpe and shot him through the back. Big Harpe tried to fire back but his rifle misfired. He fought on with his tomahawk until he was overpowered. Before he died Big Harpe confessed to 18 murders and only regretted one of them. When his infant daughter would not stop crying he bashed her head against a tree and killed her. He said:

“It cried and I killed it; I had always told the women, I would have no crying about me.”

He also claimed, probably falsely, that he had amassed a fortune which he had hidden around Kentucky, inspiring generations of treasure hunters.

Moses Stegall shot him through the heart then cut off his head with his hunting knife. The dismembered body was left in a spot near the town of Graham, Kentucky, still known as Harpe’s Hill. The head of Big Harpe was paced in the fork of a tree near Highland Lick. Today the spot is marked by a Kentucky highway marker on Route 41A north of Dixon, Kentucky.

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Little Harpe fled to Mississippi where he joined a band of river pirates led by Samuel Mason. Mason had a price on his head as well, and when he found himself alone with Mason, Little Harpe murdered him and cut off his head. He took the head to the authorities to collect the reward. The head was recognized right away as that of the outlaw Samuel Mason but the bearer was also instantly recognized as Little Harpe. Harpe was arrested in Mississippi where he was tried, convicted and executed for murder.

Aftermath:

The Harpe women were still in custody in Kentucky. Sally claimed she did not know that her husband Wiley was bad until she moved in with him. But, like the other women, she had several chances to take the children and leave. All three women always went back to Big and Little Harpe.

The women were acquitted of murder. Susannah and Betsy settled in Logan County, Kentucky. Susannah eventually remarried. Sally went back to her father, then remarried and moved to Illinois.

Big Harpe confessed to 18 murders, but the Harpe brothers are known to have murdered at least 25 people and some estimates place the total as high as 40. Though they made their living by theft, they murdered out of hatred for their fellow man. Big and Litttle Harpe could well be America's first recorded serial killers.

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The Zodiac Killer.
10 minutes up the road.


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Thad Reynolds murder. Thad's wife convinced her boyfriend to murder her husband. The crime was solved within a day, but there were lots of juicy tidbits that kept the tabloids busy. The guy who did the deed was caught and confessed within hours. Proving that the murdered guy's wife was involved took time. He wouldn't testify against her for almost 2 years.

There were multiple TV specials that profiled the case. Thad and Michelle were best friends with the guy they murder and his wife. They vacationed together and both were active in the youth ministry in one of our larger churches. Michelle wanted a divorce. Thad's religious views wouldn't go along with it, so she used another guy to kill him.

I am close friends with several people in that church and knew the murders wife and family. There are some more gruesome, but this shocked a lot of people because those involved were considered pillars of the community. Add in the infidelity and sex and you have the perfect TV movie script.

One of the TV specials profiling the case:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6c9eqj


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The Pardue boys blew up the courthouse and then robbed the bank I now work at. Robbed several across the nation using bombs as a diversion.

They were living with Grandparents and when they suspected them, the boys murdered them and took the bodies back East and buried them under a shed. That was 1969 I think

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We were at my Grandparents in Monrovia for a week in July '85 when The Night Stalker killed two nights in a row and again a couple nights later a few blocks from their house.

My twin brother and I were 9 yo and freaked the fugg out!

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I'm only a few miles from where Ed Gein and his mother are planted....


Well... we have come to the point.... where... the parasites are killing the host. It's only a matter of time now.

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It was a very long time ago, but the Bloody Benders would undoubtedly be the most famous/notorious crime in my home area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Benders

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I live about 25 mins from where Jimmy Hoffa disappeared at The Fox & Hound restaurant.

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Not exactly sure if it's something to
brag about
Lots of outlaw ( in the past as well as today)
lived in the area. Just a few blocks down was
a livery and riding stable, and about 500 yards
to the east was where Belle Starr lived, and
around here somewhere the Youngers and
James's settled for a short time. One of the
Youngers was supposed to have been a baby
daddy to Belle. This area was annexed by the
city in the mid 50's. It was still fairly wooly
in the early 1900's. For whatever reason, the
city officials named a few of the streets and
such for the outlaws that roamed back when.
For instance, Belle Starr street and Jim Miller
road.
A few of the Barrows are planted fairly close.
Blanche is a few steps from my maternal G Pa
and G Ma. Henry Calvin the actor is in the
other direction ( although not an outlaw)

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The Green River Killer. Ted Bundy up there as well


I remember delivering a Sunday paper (Seattle Times) that had the headline Police looking for a man named 'Ted'.

In the mid 80's I worked in the international district in Seattle. Some nights we'd end up in the bar of the Tai Tung restaurant, nobody sat along one wall because the other side was the Wah Mee Club, an illegal gambling joint where 14 were shot (13 killed, 1 survived) during a robbery in 1983.


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POS Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife Lacy about 10 miles away in 2002. She was a friend of a friend and a beautiful girl....RIP.

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