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New today. I received my 22 Creedmoor. SS 700, Pac-Nor Lightweight contour, cut to 22", 1-7 twist in a 18 oz MPI Compact. Weight with 4-12 Leupold with low Leupold DD"s is 6 lb 8.9 oz. I shot off my front porch at about 25 yards and got it close with 3 shots. I cleaned it after each shot for those 3. Even though it was pretty windy I took it to my 100 yard range. Weather said 16-32 mph winds but it was straight behind me. I loaded 44.0 grains of H1000 and 75 grain ELD-M's and got that data off of Petersons brass site. First group at 100, shots 4-5-6 Shots 7-8-9. Looks like this one will shoot.
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Very nice 👍 Mines getting cut and threaded this week and I’ll be right behind you.
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That will be a fun rifle….
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Looks like a nice light weight coyote killer.
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Is it as bow heavy,as it looks? Hint..............
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At 6 1/2 pounds, it shouldn't be carrying much weight up front. The stubby forearm makes it appear like it is. The scope and mounts would help to bring the balance back. Looks funny but functional. GD
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Is it as bow heavy,as it looks? Hint.............. Actually not. Balance is about 1/4" ahead of the forward guard screw. I'll get around 100 rounds fired and then check how it compares to my 22" Lilja barreled Montana in 22-250 AI with RL 17, the powder I use in the AI.
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Well alright! That one sure seems eager to please.
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I spent a little time with the not bow heavy, funny looking Creed today to find pressure with RL 17 and 88's. Loaded up 6 with 88's and RL 17. 36.5. 37.0, 37.5, 38.0, 38.5, and 39.0 the load I use in my 22-250 AI. The one a little left was cold and clean and the high one was 39.0. It will fool my friend that think you have to have a long barrel on a rifle. I think I would prefer 20" on this one but I doubt I will cut it. Pretty handy little 6 llb 8.8 oz rifle. I have to admit I prefer the Montana 22-250 AI over the Remington but that has nothing to do with the cartridge. i am also sure that younger eyes that haven't seen laser surgery3 times would certainly do better. An oh yea, there is that Leupold thing.
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building a 22 creed myself and wondering what kind of velocity are you getting with it?
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Look forward to following this.
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I'm not going to give any velocity on the Creed until I get 100- 150 rounds down the barrel The 22-250 AI velocity is 3178 out of this barrel, a Lilja 1-7 with 88 ELD-M's and 39 grains of RL17 but don't take that as a safe load in your rifle.
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Love mine, 75’s exclusively. 👍
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That is a darn fine rifle. I'd love to have one just like it.
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I spent a little time with the not bow heavy, funny looking Creed today........ The whole "balancing at the XXX" is sooooooooooo gat-damned overrated anyway. I shoot a whole lot better off-hand with a little weight out front. Nice rifle, friend!
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With "only" 100+ Custom Rifles and the simplistic fact that MPI is THE biggest piece of fhuqking schit I've ever owned and only (6) 224 Speedmires in the larder,I'm happy to learn that the OP's rifle defies Physics. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
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With "only" 100+ Custom Rifles and the simplistic fact that MPI is THE biggest piece of fhuqking schit I've ever owned and only (6) 224 Speedmires in the larder,I'm happy to learn that the OP's rifle defies Physics. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. I'm never going to spend my money on another MPI either. It was a mess. I have no reason to lie about where it balances. It did turn out pretty well though and shoots good so far,
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22 Creedmoor will be my next build………after I get done playing with my 308’s which may be a while.
I do have lots of 22 Creedmoor brass though.
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22 Creedmoor will be my next build………after I get done playing with my 308’s which may be a while.
I do have lots of 22 Creedmoor brass though. I love it. Load up on brass so you are forced to build another rifle. Why didn’t I think of that. DF
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22 Creedmoor will be my next build………after I get done playing with my 308’s which may be a while.
I do have lots of 22 Creedmoor brass though. I love it. Load up on brass so you are forced to build another rifle. Why didn’t I think of that. DF Of course. There is always a method to our madness.
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22 Creedmoor will be my next build………after I get done playing with my 308’s which may be a while.
I do have lots of 22 Creedmoor brass though. I love it. Load up on brass so you are forced to build another rifle. Why didn’t I think of that. DF An even less expensive way to get there is to buy a set of dies. You're under $50 into the "gotta build/buy a new XXX for these dies".
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I didn't have a 6mm rifle until after I acquired a good quantity of vintage Sierra bullets as part of a larger deal. Now my 243 is a favorite.
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22 Creedmoor will be my next build………after I get done playing with my 308’s which may be a while.
I do have lots of 22 Creedmoor brass though. I love it. Load up on brass so you are forced to build another rifle. Why didn’t I think of that. DF An even less expensive way to get there is to buy a set of dies. You're under $50 into the "gotta build/buy a new XXX for these dies". Well, that’s phase 2. Phase 1 & 2 are interchangeable.
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An even less expensive way to get there is to buy a set of dies. You're under $50 into the "gotta build/buy a new XXX for these dies". In the mid-90s I was hoping to build a .338-06, and I was shopping around for a barrel maker. I was in Wisconsin at the time, so there were quite a few "local" options for barrel makers. My dentist, at the time, was an avid long-range shooter and suggested that I give Obermeyer a call. I asked Boots a couple of barrel-related questions, and he said he probably didn't have the time to make a barrel for me. He said he was already knee-deep in some custom work for Weatherby and something for the military, but posed a question to me. He said something to the effect that his willingness to make me a barrel depended on how I answered his question. He asked, "suppose you find a really good deal on a set of dies at a gun show, but you don't have anything that shoots that particular cartridge. What do you do?" I responded that I'd buy the dies, because they were a good deal, and having the dies would give me a good reason to look for another rifle. Then he asked, "what kind of barrel would you like me to make?" I ended up getting a Krieger barrel for my .338-06, because they could deliver one faster, but I always enjoyed my conversation with Boots.
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Still waiting on the barrel for mine. I've got the action, the trigger, the rail and rings, the scope, the brass, bullets and dies. Still haven't ordered the stock but kind of hoping that I'll spot a used McSwirly Mtn Rifle I like at a good price. If not I'll go ahead and order a Grayboe in the next 2 - 3 weeks. Anticipation kinda sucks.
Nice looking rifle, looks like it's gonna be a shooter.
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I got 80 rounds down the barrel and my neighbor called and said he was going to chronograph some loads so I went up and took the 22 Creed and the 22-250 AI with about 150 rounds fired.
Only shot 5 shots out of the 22 Creed with 39 grains of RL-17 and 88 ELD-M's. With those 5 shots a guy really has no idea where SD is actually going to land but it averaged 3190 FPS, with a SD of 16.
On the other hand it was 85 degrees out and the 22-250 AI really sped up. To the point that opening the bolt took a little effort, not hard to open but harder than it was. With the exact powder charge of the same powder 39 grains of RL-17 and the same bullet 88 ELD-M it averaged 3245 with a 5 shot SD of 14. I am not sure if the raise in velocity is temperature related or the barrel just sped up. Either way I need to back off a bit and am not looking forward to pulling about 80 bullets. RL 17 seems to really shoot well in both rifles but if you want to try it I would start at about 36.0 and work up from there.
I don't think there is a nickels worth of difference in the 2 cartridges but I do prefer the Montana over the MPI stocked 700.
The 22 Creed is a 22" Pac-Nor and the 22-250 AI is a 22" Lilja, both 1-7 twist
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3 quick ones at 38.0. About 3/8th". Bolt lift is back to normal at that load.
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