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Guess who decides what constitutes paramilitary training

Seems to me, it violates several constitutional amendments

Vermont outlaws paramilitary training camps
Lisa Rathke
Associated Press

Vermont on Monday made it a crime to own or operate paramilitary training camps in the state after Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed legislation introduced in response to a firearms training facility built without permits that neighbors called a menace.

Violators face up to five years in prison or a fine up to $50,000 or both, according to the law. It prohibits a person from teaching, training, or demonstrating to anyone else the use, application, or making of a firearm, explosive, or incendiary device capable of causing injury or death that will be used in or in furtherance of a civil disorder. It also bans a person from assembling with others for such training, instruction or practice.
People look at targets during a pause in a shooting session at Slate Ridge Vermont, an unpermitted gun range and firearms training center, Saturday April 17, 2021 in West Pawlet, Vt. Daniel Banyai, owner of Slate Ridge Vermont,, has until summer to remove all unpermitted structures at a gun training center, which was built without zoning approval, after a ruling by the Vermont Environmental Court. The court is fining Banyai $200 a day and ruled Wednesday Feb. 9, 2023 that he would be jailed if he does not comply with orders by the end of June.

The gun violence prevention group led by former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, of Arizona, who was forced to give up her political career when she was disabled in a 2011 assassination attempt, praised Vermont's law.

“Today, Vermont joins 25 other states that prohibit firearms training for anti-government paramilitary activity," said Allison Anderman, senior counsel and the leader of Giffords’ Guns & Democracy project. “Private paramilitary activity is illegal in Vermont and has been associated with the intimidation of people exercising their constitutional rights across the US,” she said by email. "This is a commonsense policy that will help reduce the spread of dangerous, illegal, and anti-government firearms intimidation.”

The Vermont law does not apply to legitimate law enforcement activity or lawful activity by Norwich University or any other educational institution where military science is taught. it also doesn't apply to self-defense instruction or practice without the intent of causing a civil disorder; firearms instruction that is intended to teach the safe handling and use of firearms; and any lawful sports or activities like hunting, target shooting and firearms collection.

In Oregon, which has had the sixth-highest number of extremist incidents in the country in the last 10 years, the legislature is considering a bill that, according to experts, would create the country's most comprehensive law against paramilitary activity. A failed bill this year in the New Mexico legislature that sought to rein in paramilitary patrols created in recent years to halt migrants near the international border with Mexico. A paramilitary patrol in New Mexico appeared at a protest over a statue of a Spanish conquistador.

The owner of the 30-acre firearms training center in southern Vermont has until summer to remove all unpermitted structures on the site in Pawlet. Neighbors have complained about the gunfire and what they say are threats and intimidation by owner Daniel Banyai and his supporters.

The Vermont Environmental Court said that Banyai was in contempt of court for deliberately flouting a series of court orders issued since the legal case began in 2019 and now faces jail and fines that could exceed $100,000 if he fails to comply by June 23.

Banyai did not respond to a text seeking comment.

Rathke reported from Marshfield. Associated Press reporter Wilson Ring contributed from Stowe.
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Liberal leftists doing the divide and conquer routine on the public....

Vague written laws, can "outlaw" anything for any reason they come up with on the spot.

bet if this guy was some sort of Antifa clown or BLack Lives Matter bozo, teaching them how to agressively "resist", they wouldn't be bothering him whatsoever.

Didn't we used to have a "freedom to assemble" thing here in America ?? But, apparently not in Vermont.

kwg

Republican governor huh? We have work to do.

YOU have to remember that these dumb phu-cks voted in Bernie Sanders.

"It prohibits a person from teaching, training, or demonstrating to anyone else the use, application, or making of a firearm, explosive, or incendiary device capable of causing injury or death that will be used in or in furtherance of a civil disorder. It also bans a person from assembling with others for such training, instruction or practice."

I wonder what the hell it takes to establish that something will be used in the furtherance of civil disorder in the future?

Not good. Not good at all.

When they want to outlaw something like this it's time to start doing it. Not for my old fat ass, but the younger bunch ought to be paying attention.

The article says VT has become the 25th state to pass this law. Hardly just a VT thing.

Who's that wacko Communist senator in Vermont?? Probably 'Ole Bernie' has lot to do with this outcome!!

Let them prove the training is for initiation of disorder or to over-throw the government. Sounds like nonsense.

Easy. If Antifa ir BLM are involved, consider it established. But, curiously invisible.

It's clearly unconstitutional.

Florida made that sort of thing illegal probably 40 years ago. Cuban 'refugees' eager to train with the CIA and return to Cuba are responsible. Not a damn one of 'em would ever actually return to Cuba even if communism died tomorrow.

Left wing, government-hating hillbillies in VT are some of the weirdest, most ornery people I’ve met. If you’re not from VT, they hate you. If you’re from VT but they don’t know you, they hate you. I say it’s because they are the only NE state that has no waterfront. So they are land-locked and pissed off about it.

Beautiful state, but some wackos that only crawl out of the backwoods every so often!

Somebody must have changed something when we weren't looking.

Not allowed to assemble for riots. Not saying they were rioting there in VT. but freedom of assembly is not absolute.

What if it was a Muslim or a Louis Farrakhan group engaging in this type of training? Would you feel the same way?

But maybe many on here would feel that was OK.


Praise for Donald Trump

During the 2016 Republican Party presidential primaries, Farrakhan praised Republican candidate Donald Trump as the only candidate "who has stood in front of the Jewish community and said 'I don’t want your money.'" While he declined to endorse Trump outright, he said of Trump, "I like what I'm looking at."[87] In 2018, Farrakhan again praised Trump for "destroying every enemy that was an enemy of our rise". He included the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in this group.[88]

Conservative pundits Candace Owens and Glenn Beck both took note of Farrakhan's position, with Owens saying, while she did not "endorse Farrakhan’s views," it remained a "really big deal" that Farrakhan had "aligned himself with Trump's administration" and Beck declaring that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and urged "reconciliation" between conservatives and Farrakhan.[89][90]

What do you mean?

The standard to determine if they are in violation of this law will come down to what flag they have flying.
Fly a Nation of Islam flag (or BLM, Trans-Direct Action) and it will be deemed lawful and protected. Fly a Gadsden flag and they will go to the ends of the earth to prosecute them.