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Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Garandimal #18612249 07/25/23
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,574 Likes: 1 In the vicinity of dandihood H horse1 Campfire Outfitter
horse1 Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,574 Likes: 1 In the vicinity of dandihood	Originally Posted by Garandimal They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. GR Steel isn't an alloy? I don't recall seeing it on the Periodic table????? I can walk on water.......................but I do stagger a bit on alcohol.

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Re: Talley Lightweight Failure horse1 #18612292 07/25/23
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5 Garandimal Campfire Tracker
Garandimal Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by horse1 Originally Posted by Garandimal They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. GR Steel isn't an alloy? I don't recall seeing it on the Periodic table????? As in Aluminum alloy, not steel. The pedantics here - are top drawer. GR

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure SDHNTR #18612310 07/25/23
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5 Garandimal Campfire Tracker
Garandimal Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by SDHNTR Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by NH_Sharpshooter I did some searching and didn't find a more recent thread on this topic than 2021, but just noticed this on my Ruger American .308. After reading other threads and seeing plenty of other pictures of broken talleys, what's good out there for a more rugged setup? I'm fine with a rail and rings. Also, these rings weren't lapped but everything was cleaned and torqued to spec. They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. I like them, and have never had a problem with then. KNOWING - that they are light-weight alloy, and, therefore, will have poor tensile strength compared to steel? I line the rings with a layer of vinyl electrical tape, top and bottom in ~ a 120 deg. arc. Then adjust the crosshair, torque to snug on greases screws/threads, wait a few hours, and then torque again. The vinyl will flow, and the contact will be complete and intimate, like they were painted on. But the stress will be mitigated, the screws will hold tight, and the rings will pop off clean when disassembled. GR Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by NH_Sharpshooter I did some searching and didn't find a more recent thread on this topic than 2021, but just noticed this on my Ruger American .308. After reading other threads and seeing plenty of other pictures of broken talleys, what's good out there for a more rugged setup? I'm fine with a rail and rings. Also, these rings weren't lapped but everything was cleaned and torqued to spec. They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. I like them, and have never had a problem with then. KNOWING - that they are light-weight alloy, and, therefore, will have poor tensile strength compared to steel? I line the rings with a layer of vinyl electrical tape, top and bottom in ~ a 120 deg. arc. Then adjust the crosshair, torque to snug on greases screws/threads, wait a few hours, and then torque again. The vinyl will flow, and the contact will be complete and intimate, like they were painted on. But the stress will be mitigated, the screws will hold tight, and the rings will pop off clean when disassembled. GR It’s not just aluminum vs steel that’s the issue. There are plenty of aluminum mounting systems that are very strong. Agreed. Such as aircraft engine mounts. But, simply, these are no anywhere near that spec.. Given that - relieving the tensile stress by disbursing the contact area, while, at the same time, increasing the coefficient of friction, and thereby reducing the necessary screw torque - works. GR

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Garandimal #18612331 07/25/23
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,514 virginia G gene270 Campfire Tracker
gene270 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,514 virginia	i certainly cant speak on the subject but would corrosion from the screws affect the integrity over time ?

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612358 07/25/23
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,652 Likes: 3 Kentuck G gunzo Campfire Outfitter
gunzo Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,652 Likes: 3 Kentuck	If they are 6061 aluminum as claimed they must be investment cast. The grain structure appears to be very coarse, & normally seen in very cheap parts. I've got a pair them mainly due to all the raving about them here for a time, was never impressed.

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Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612359 07/25/23
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,085 Australia R rockdoc Campfire Regular
rockdoc Campfire Regular R Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,085 Australia	I was a believer until I had them fail. No more for me. Correctly torqued etc. Hadn't used the rifle in a while, Covid, rain, broken back etc., and couldn't work out why it was so off at the range, got home and noticed broken across scews on front ring. Just using Nightforce bases and rings on lightweight rifles (Kimbers) and waiting for Talley Steel bases for rifle that broke the lightweights (Kimber Classic 84L 30-06). Shame as I liked their lightweight. But seen too many posts and now this.

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure gene270 #18612361 07/25/23
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5 Garandimal Campfire Tracker
Garandimal Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by gene270 i certainly cant speak on the subject but would corrosion from the screws affect the integrity over time ? Not according to the stress line breaks in the pics provided. But it is certainly another reason to grease them, especially with marine grease. Intrusion and corrosion. GR

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Big Stick #18612375 07/25/23
Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,042 SE PA M Motown Campfire Regular
Motown Campfire Regular M Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,042 SE PA	Originally Posted by Big Stick I've only puked (9) sets of LW's thus far. Hint. 2wks ago. Hint. They are obviously an easy pass,if you actually shoot. Hint................ Just curious, but if you have had 9 rings break why would you continue to use them after the first or second ones puked?

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure gunzo #18612389 07/25/23
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5 Garandimal Campfire Tracker
Garandimal Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 3,089 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by gunzo If they are 6061 aluminum as claimed they must be investment cast. The grain structure appears to be very coarse, & normally seen in very cheap parts. I've got a pair them mainly due to all the raving about them here for a time, was never impressed. Had a 1/4 throw W/C ball valve shatter after several years installed. Cast AL alloy does not like prolonged high tensile stress. Vinyl electrical tape, as an adhesive interface material, allows for a low Tensile stress environment. And, subsequently, they will absorb the wear-n-tear of the field a lot better. GR

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Motown #18612455 07/25/23
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KenMi Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,037 Likes: 6 Michigan	Originally Posted by Motown Originally Posted by Big Stick I've only puked (9) sets of LW's thus far. Hint. 2wks ago. Hint. They are obviously an easy pass,if you actually shoot. Hint................ Just curious, but if you have had 9 rings break why would you continue to use them after the first or second ones puked? Operator error, aka throwing them on the rocks during a bender and trying to figure out the next day how they broke.

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Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612462 07/25/23
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,970 Likes: 1 SC, USA O Offshoreman Campfire Regular
Offshoreman Campfire Regular O Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,970 Likes: 1 SC, USA	Damn! Are you sure you put them in the safe? They look like they were parked in the carwash. Seriously, I realize Alaska is probably the most challenging environment to use and maintain firearms. The corrosion on those screws in those ring holes (as seen in the pics) will hold water like a sponge and water expands when it freezes. Also, I would never use lightweight rings on any 'thumpers', nor on any rifles that are carried in scabbards on horseback or otherwise subject to rough use. AKA The P-Man If you cherish your memories with kids, be a good role model . . . . so the RIGHT memories of you mean something to them.

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Garandimal #18612469 07/25/23
Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,163 Likes: 2 S SDHNTR Campfire Regular
SDHNTR Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,163 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by gene270 i certainly cant speak on the subject but would corrosion from the screws affect the integrity over time ? Not according to the stress line breaks in the pics provided. But it is certainly another reason to grease them, especially with marine grease. Intrusion and corrosion. GR Grease? Scope mount screws? Did I seriously just read that? Absolutely not! In fact, proper mounting procedure involves thoroughly degreasing all screws.

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure Garandimal #18612482 07/25/23
Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,163 Likes: 2 S SDHNTR Campfire Regular
SDHNTR Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,163 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by SDHNTR Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by NH_Sharpshooter I did some searching and didn't find a more recent thread on this topic than 2021, but just noticed this on my Ruger American .308. After reading other threads and seeing plenty of other pictures of broken talleys, what's good out there for a more rugged setup? I'm fine with a rail and rings. Also, these rings weren't lapped but everything was cleaned and torqued to spec. They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. I like them, and have never had a problem with then. KNOWING - that they are light-weight alloy, and, therefore, will have poor tensile strength compared to steel? I line the rings with a layer of vinyl electrical tape, top and bottom in ~ a 120 deg. arc. Then adjust the crosshair, torque to snug on greases screws/threads, wait a few hours, and then torque again. The vinyl will flow, and the contact will be complete and intimate, like they were painted on. But the stress will be mitigated, the screws will hold tight, and the rings will pop off clean when disassembled. GR Originally Posted by Garandimal Originally Posted by NH_Sharpshooter I did some searching and didn't find a more recent thread on this topic than 2021, but just noticed this on my Ruger American .308. After reading other threads and seeing plenty of other pictures of broken talleys, what's good out there for a more rugged setup? I'm fine with a rail and rings. Also, these rings weren't lapped but everything was cleaned and torqued to spec. They are alloy, not steel, and light-weight ta boot. I like them, and have never had a problem with then. KNOWING - that they are light-weight alloy, and, therefore, will have poor tensile strength compared to steel? I line the rings with a layer of vinyl electrical tape, top and bottom in ~ a 120 deg. arc. Then adjust the crosshair, torque to snug on greases screws/threads, wait a few hours, and then torque again. The vinyl will flow, and the contact will be complete and intimate, like they were painted on. But the stress will be mitigated, the screws will hold tight, and the rings will pop off clean when disassembled. GR It’s not just aluminum vs steel that’s the issue. There are plenty of aluminum mounting systems that are very strong. Agreed. Such as aircraft engine mounts. But, simply, these are no anywhere near that spec.. Given that - relieving the tensile stress by disbursing the contact area, while, at the same time, increasing the coefficient of friction, and thereby reducing the necessary screw torque - works. GR Correct, mostly. Otherwise known as lapping. Last edited by SDHNTR; 07/25/23.

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612572 07/25/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,587 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,587 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	I doubt I had LW's on much more than 40 rifles. Mainstays of course Puked first,due round count. The latest Puke was a rifle I loaned to a pard 10yrs or so ago and he just returned it. Went to shoot a zero and PUKE. Hint. Taping tubes and screw grease is fhuqking HILARIOUS! Where/how do you CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards dream this schit up?!? Hint. All 1" tubes,no Boomers and only (1) long action (280). Hint...................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612580 07/25/23
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,950 Likes: 7 West Treasure Valley, Idaho I Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger
Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger I Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,950 Likes: 7 West Treasure Valley, Idaho	Have never heard of Burris XTR bases and Signature Zee rings failing. No lapping required, or desired. People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure mathman #18612623 07/25/23
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Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,862 Likes: 12 West of the Blue Ridge	Originally Posted by mathman Why not put on the Picatinny base it came with and use any number of good rings? I don’t have a RAR, but my Fieldcraft and my Howa Minis, when used with a rail gave me poor cheek weld. The Talley lows are perfect in that respect, and the very low Warne bases very good too. I have 1” and 30mm Talleys for the FC, and if they ever crap I’ll be back to the rail since mounts for those are currently a dead end. If the alleged new owners ever get them back in production, maybe some new choices will appear. Someone with a differently shaped face may do better with a rail combo, I suppose….. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612630 07/25/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,587 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,587 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Never heard of 'em. Hint. Just sayin'..................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure NH_Sharpshooter #18612678 07/25/23
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,036 Pittsburg, Texas D DLALLDER Campfire Regular
DLALLDER Campfire Regular D Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,036 Pittsburg, Texas	I hated to see this post. I just ordered a set of the Talley LW to go on the wife's new Weatherby Vanguard Camilla in 308 today. I guess time will tell. Thanks Daniel

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure gunzo #18612682 07/25/23
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Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,454 Likes: 9 Lower Dakota Territory	Originally Posted by gunzo If they are 6061 aluminum as claimed they must be investment cast. The grain structure appears to be very coarse, & normally seen in very cheap parts. They're not cast....they are extruded. -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: Talley Lightweight Failure JimH #18612690 07/25/23
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JimH Campfire Regular J Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,705 Likes: 1 S.E.Indiana	Originally Posted by JimH Originally Posted by Big Stick I've only puked (9) sets of LW's thus far. Hint. Slow learner? 2wks ago. Hint. They are obviously an easy pass,if you actually shoot. Hint................

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