We are where we are as a nation today as a consequence of the unCivil War and it's horrific aftermath of subjugation euphemistically called "Reconstruction":
Independence Day is supposed to be a celebration of the principles in the Declaration of Independence and our secession from the British Empire. Yet every one of its main principles were repudiated by Lincoln with his words and, and more importantly, his actions. Contrary to revisionist history, Lincoln was as guilty as King George III of committing atrocities against Americans. In his commentary, “Lincoln’s Repudiation of the Declaration of Independence,” Thomas DiLorenzo shows the similarity of the “train of abuses” by King George III with those numerous abuses of Lincoln.
King George III: “Dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly . . .”
Lincoln: Imposed military rule on the occupied South during the war.
King George III: “Made Judges dependent on his Will alone . . . . He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.”
Lincoln: Illegally suspended habeas corpus and ordered the mass arrest of tens of thousands of suspected Northern political dissenters. Soldiers were threatened and judges were kidnapped to prevent them from issuing the writ.
King George III: “He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass out people, and eat out their substance.”
Lincoln: Created new bureaucracies to “occupy” the South. Federal soldiers pillaged, plundered, and raped their way through the South.
King George III: “He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.”
Lincoln: Federal army occupied the South during the war and during Reconstruction.
King George III: “He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended legislation.”
Lincoln: Abolished civil liberties in both the North and the occupied South, blockaded Southern ports, initiated war without the consent of Congress, among numerous other illegal things.
King George III: “For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world.”
Lincoln: Imposed a naval blockade on the South, and plundered the North as well with extortionate tariffs on imports.
King George III: “For imposing Taxes on us without our consent.”
Lincoln: Supported the 1861 Morrill Tariff that was a main cause of the war.
King George III: “For depriving us in many cases, of the right of Trial by jury.”
Lincoln: Had tens of thousands of Northern citizens imprisoned without due process during the war.
King George: “For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.”
Lincoln: This is also a description of what occurred in the South and in border territories “governed” by Republican party hacks during the war and Reconstruction.
King George III: “He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coast, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny.”
Lincoln: Describes Lincoln’s abuses against Southerners. Lured in thousands of European mercenaries with promises of free land under the Homestead Act if they would commit mass murder against Southerners and plunder and burn their towns.
Lincoln fashioned an absurd theory about the illegality of the individual Southern states to secede from the federal union in an effort to justify his invasion of the South, imposing martial law, unleashing of brutality, and suspending the Bill of Rights and writ of habeas corpus without consulting any other branch of government.
Lincoln’s tyrannical rationale is contrary to the Declaration of Independence which states,
“That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.”
This clearly states that these were “independent states” – sovereign entities, not a government — that were seceding from Great Britain. It was as independent states that they ratified the Constitution. James Madison, the “father of the Constitution,” wrote in Federalist #39 that the constitution was ratified by the American people “not as individuals comprising one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.”
Contrary to the revisionist lie, Lincoln did not believe the principle that “all men are equal.” His belief that blacks were inferior to whites was well known in that era. During one of the debates in 1858 with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln stated, “I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Today we are living under a tyranny that our Founding Fathers escaped by secession from Great Britain and that the South tried to escape by secession. Lincoln forced the individual states to remain in the Union and to adopt new state constitutions imposed on them by the military. Since 1865, our government has increased in scope, power, and control. It was the event of the Civil War and Lincoln’s presidency that ushered in a dramatic increase in growth and control by the American government. Federalism with states rights has been abolished, along with the Tenth Amendment and the rights of secession and nullification. An unelected Supreme Court with lifetime tenure maintains vigilance over their liberal agenda and sets the limits of our liberty.
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Carole Hornsby Haynes
Carole Hornsby Haynes, Ph.D. is an independent historian and Southerner who taught American and Southern history at the secondary and college levels. She is a national education policy analyst and legislative adviser. A classically trained pianist and organist, she loves the many genres of American music. She’s especially proud that nearly all American music is Southern in origin and identity.
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We are where we are as a nation today as a consequence of the unCivil War and it's horrific aftermath of subjugation euphemistically called "Reconstruction":
Independence Day is supposed to be a celebration of the principles in the Declaration of Independence and our secession from the British Empire. Yet every one of its main principles were repudiated by Lincoln with his words and, and more importantly, his actions. Contrary to revisionist history, Lincoln was as guilty as King George III of committing atrocities against Americans. In his commentary, “Lincoln’s Repudiation of the Declaration of Independence,” Thomas DiLorenzo shows the similarity of the “train of abuses” by King George III with those numerous abuses of Lincoln.
King George III: “Dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly . . .”
Lincoln: Imposed military rule on the occupied South during the war.
King George III: “Made Judges dependent on his Will alone . . . . He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.”
Lincoln: Illegally suspended habeas corpus and ordered the mass arrest of tens of thousands of suspected Northern political dissenters. Soldiers were threatened and judges were kidnapped to prevent them from issuing the writ.
King George III: “He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass out people, and eat out their substance.”
Lincoln: Created new bureaucracies to “occupy” the South. Federal soldiers pillaged, plundered, and raped their way through the South.
King George III: “He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.”
Lincoln: Federal army occupied the South during the war and during Reconstruction.
King George III: “He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended legislation.”
Lincoln: Abolished civil liberties in both the North and the occupied South, blockaded Southern ports, initiated war without the consent of Congress, among numerous other illegal things.
King George III: “For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world.”
Lincoln: Imposed a naval blockade on the South, and plundered the North as well with extortionate tariffs on imports.
King George III: “For imposing Taxes on us without our consent.”
Lincoln: Supported the 1861 Morrill Tariff that was a main cause of the war.
King George III: “For depriving us in many cases, of the right of Trial by jury.”
Lincoln: Had tens of thousands of Northern citizens imprisoned without due process during the war.
King George: “For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.”
Lincoln: This is also a description of what occurred in the South and in border territories “governed” by Republican party hacks during the war and Reconstruction.
King George III: “He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coast, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny.”
Lincoln: Describes Lincoln’s abuses against Southerners. Lured in thousands of European mercenaries with promises of free land under the Homestead Act if they would commit mass murder against Southerners and plunder and burn their towns.
Lincoln fashioned an absurd theory about the illegality of the individual Southern states to secede from the federal union in an effort to justify his invasion of the South, imposing martial law, unleashing of brutality, and suspending the Bill of Rights and writ of habeas corpus without consulting any other branch of government.
Lincoln’s tyrannical rationale is contrary to the Declaration of Independence which states,
“That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.”
This clearly states that these were “independent states” – sovereign entities, not a government — that were seceding from Great Britain. It was as independent states that they ratified the Constitution. James Madison, the “father of the Constitution,” wrote in Federalist #39 that the constitution was ratified by the American people “not as individuals comprising one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.”
Contrary to the revisionist lie, Lincoln did not believe the principle that “all men are equal.” His belief that blacks were inferior to whites was well known in that era. During one of the debates in 1858 with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln stated, “I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Today we are living under a tyranny that our Founding Fathers escaped by secession from Great Britain and that the South tried to escape by secession. Lincoln forced the individual states to remain in the Union and to adopt new state constitutions imposed on them by the military. Since 1865, our government has increased in scope, power, and control. It was the event of the Civil War and Lincoln’s presidency that ushered in a dramatic increase in growth and control by the American government. Federalism with states rights has been abolished, along with the Tenth Amendment and the rights of secession and nullification. An unelected Supreme Court with lifetime tenure maintains vigilance over their liberal agenda and sets the limits of our liberty.
________________________________________
Carole Hornsby Haynes
Carole Hornsby Haynes, Ph.D. is an independent historian and Southerner who taught American and Southern history at the secondary and college levels. She is a national education policy analyst and legislative adviser. A classically trained pianist and organist, she loves the many genres of American music. She’s especially proud that nearly all American music is Southern in origin and identity.
The War of Northern Aggression.
The South, like the North, inherited Slavery from the British.
Where is it prohibited in either State of Federal Constitutions?
Religious Radicals, like the Taliban, caused an un-Constitutional war of Aggression against the Southern States, who actually respected the Constitution, before the Radical Religious Abolitionists shredded it.
Why - did the Constitutional Southern states leave?
Fascism - is unconstitutional.
Slavery - was already an expensive proposition, and being phased out by machinery.
The Nation could have easily mended itself - by reinstating the Constitution, and it's protections, to all states again, and treating the abolitionists as the radical zealots they were.
John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was an American abolitionist leader. First reaching national prominence for his radical abolitionism and fighting in Bleeding Kansas, he was eventually captured and executed for a failed incitement of a slave rebellion at Harpers Ferry preceding the American Civil War.
You’ll get no argument from me. All the above is absolutely spot on. BUT... This civil war is 150 years in our past, and we’re full throttle heading towards a new one. Look at what Bribem has done to this country and our government in 2&1/2 years. Most of the points about Lincoln and George III are easily attributed to his administration as well. You guys know I’m a sucker for Civil War discussions. But I’m of the mind we oughta be discussing our next one instead of fighting the old one.
Originally Posted by Goosey
this gave me a pretty good chuckle! But I’m also on record several times against Sherman. His objective was the Army Of Tennessee, not farms and civilian families in Georgia. I think his march to the sea added 6 months to a war that should’ve, easily could’ve, been over in the fall of 1864. How many thousands on both sides died needlessly? 7mm
"Preserving the Constitution, fighting off the nibblers and chippers, even nibblers and chippers with good intentions, was once regarded by conservatives as the first duty of the citizen. It still is." � Wesley Pruden
Everyone who died on each side died needlessly. William Wilberforce saw the end of slavery within the Great Britain through legislative means. The warmongering in America was senseless, not needed and serves many other purposes, none of them good for the people or country.
Everyone who died on each side died needlessly. William Wilberforce saw the end of slavery within the Great Britain through legislative means. The warmongering in America was senseless, not needed and serves many other purposes, none of them good for the people or country.
As a country, Americans like war.
I agree...
Slavery was on it's way out... and the exit would have been FAR MORE gracious than the fiasco that was FORCED.
Fugg Lincoln... Horrible President.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
The only incorrect thing I read was the part about Lincoln and Reconstruction, because Ole Abe was laying in his grave by the time that happened. Supposedly, Lincoln did not want to go hard on the South after the war had ended, but we'll never know. His successor, Johnson, opposed the harsh treatment of the South. It was the Freedman's Bureau and the Army, let by hard core Republicans, who were responsible for the way the South was treated.
I'm not trying to defend Lincoln, because I believe he was directly responsible for the war and overstepped his bounds tremendously. We'll never know, but I have always thought it would have been interesting if he'd lived, as to whether or not he'd sent the slaves back to Africa. An America free of the ex-slaves would have been wonderful.
In the wake of the presidential election of 1860 that brought Abraham Lincoln to the White House, the slaveholding states of the American South, led by South Carolina, began withdrawing from the nation. In the midst of this constitutional crisis, President James Buchanan, still in office until Lincoln’s inauguration in March 1861, tried to reassure the South that their slave property would remain safe, even under the incoming Republican administration. He asked Congress to draw up what he called an "explanatory amendment" to the Constitution that would explicitly recognize the right of states to sanction human bondage and allow slaveholders to retain their human property. In response, the House of Representatives established a thirty-three member committee under the leadership of Representative Thomas Corwin of Ohio to prepare a draft for the President’s consideration.
Within weeks, the committee delivered the "Corwin Amendment" to the House, a document many hoped would mollify the South. This proposed Thirteenth Amendment reflected the apprehension of those who in late 1860 believed they were witnessing the dissolution of the nation. Without using the word "slavery" or "slave," the proposed amendment would deny "to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State." The amendment, officially designated Joint Resolution No. 80, passed the House of Representatives in late February by the convincing vote of more than two-thirds of the membership. It was delivered to the Senate just days before Lincoln’s inauguration and although most members of that body supported it, opponents were successful in blocking the amendment on a parliamentary technicality. Lincoln sent the amendment to the states for consideration. Only Ohio and Maryland ratified it. The copy of the amendment provided here is the one sent to Maryland for approval.
I said before, the one shot that hurt the South was the one fired by Booth at Ford’s Theater. Lincoln would no way have afflicted the south with reconstruction as it Came to be. Wrong as he was for Pursuing, the war against secession, which was legal under the constitution as I read it, I think with his guidance, we may have avoided most of the hard feelings. With Lincoln dead, we got a weak democrat Johnson as President. He backed away from the black republicans, who Lincoln had the power to fight. “Let ‘em up easy” was his words to Grant & Sherman at the last conference he had with them. I hold Lincoln responsible for the war. But the black republicans, with a dishwater Johnson, are the ones who kept the southern states in chains afterwards. Like I said, I’m a sucker for Civil War discussion. But I still believe that we should be thinking ahead, to the one that’s being forced on us by the globalist. I think that’s the one that matters now. 7mm
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this gave me a pretty good chuckle! 