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You'll often see WS-1 described as "jug-choked", ie., Tula. This is exactly wrong. The constriction with WS-1 is some distance from the muzzle, followed by "bell" or "flare" at muzzle. Metal there is thin.
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I remember they called it the pickle.
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I'll try to get my BIL to get me on video breaking skeet crossers in half with my cyl 42.
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My long-deceased FIL gave me a model 42 back in the mid 70s. I never looked up the date of manufacture but it was old and we'll used by my 3 brothers in law as they were growing up on a farm. It was full choke with plain barrel. I gave it to my son who still has it. One of my grandsons brings it to the farm during squirrel season. It functions every time.
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Winchester stamped "skeet" on 42s (.410), and also on M-12s and 21s in 28 ga. There are very rare factory exceptions. One is a hand-stamped WS-1 on Model 42s having the 2nd type vent rib. Those guns fall within a narrow SN range. There are many "Winchester reinventions" out there.
WS-1 and WS-2 were the skeet choke designations for 12, 16, and 20 ga - all models. Constrictions of WS-1s and WS-2s varied as with WW field choke designations. 12 ga WS-1s often have 6 to 9 thou. 16s and 20s usually have less. All 20 ga WS-1s I've measured had 3 thou. WS-2s are tighter, often approximating "mod". My WS-2 20s have around 10 thou. My 1962 Model 12 WS1 marked 12 gauge skeet gun has .004" of choke constriction 2-3/16" in from the muzzle of the 26" barrel. From there to the muzzle the choke flares out to greater than the internal bore diameter. Patterns are very even at 7 yards (distance from Sta 8 to where I break the skeet birds) and at 20 yards in my tests, approaching a cylinder choke in diameter but more uniform. As a side note, the gun has a beautiful walnut butt stock and forend and works as well for gun down classic skeet as any shotgun I have ever fired.
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And going back to the original M42 topic, my 1959 M42 with a 26" full choke and early Simmons Kansas City marked vent rib has -0.013" of choke constriction and throws a beautiful pattern that is about comparable in diameter to an IC choke in the larger gauges at 20 yards...18" diameter. But it is tight at 7 yards...4-1/4" diameter increasing the challenge on Station 8 at skeet. The pattern seems to spread faster than the larger gauges as the distance increases in my testing.
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If choke doesn't matter, as you say, try it with a full barrel 42, or at least one stamped "mod" or "skeet". Your breaks and scores will be no different, right?
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I was "cutting those target's in half today".
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