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What real world difference can I expect between these two bullets?

Standard .270 Winchester loaded to 2900-2950 fps, wanting to setup a longer range load for shooting out to 600 yards absolute max. Mule deer and the occasional antelope, sheep and elk.

My rifle is a Browning BBR with 24” standard sporter barrel 1-10” twist rate.

Like the .500+ B.C.’s of these bullets. The trajectory of the 145 ELDX factory loads is within 1” of drop and 100 fps of velocity with that of the 6.5 PRC 143 grain ELDX factory load clear out to 500 yards.

Opinions please.

No difference whatsoever

I'd double down there.

I'd probably me more in the ABLR camp if elk were the primary quarry, but wouldn't worry too much with either.

150 Nuzzler has an Imaginary BC billing,that's not even close. Doubly so in 10" RPM. Hint.

The 145 ELD is sound and realistic at .536 BC. Same goes the .264" 143 ELD at .625 BC. Hint.

It's funny how folks get giddy,if their 270 Win's can begin to hang in there,with various short action chamberings. Simply shoot the rifle betwixt your mitts,DOPE it well and rest in the laurels of knowing you've done everything you can mechanically. Then focus on abilities. Do NOT look at 6.5 PRC 147 .697 BC Factory Fodder at 2910fps! Hint.



Scope/base/ring selection rates more than a passing thunk and most folks fhuqk that wayyyyyy up. You can't purchase proficiency,but Good Riggin' is a GREAT head start. Hint.

Pass the 145's and hold The Nuzzler Fluff. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Weren't my intent to fuel your Homoerotic Fantasies,though there is no stopping it...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Google on aloud,despite it being you only "move". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........

You dumped HS because of that asswhole Lon & I was with ya 100% and have never bought another HS product since

but here you are championing Steve wHorenads crap all over the 'Fire at every turn

what gives ? super multiple jabbed ? or just selective outrage ?

Your VERY Tender Feelers are funnier than fhuqk and your Raging Estrogen Fueled Emotions are AWESOME ...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Lon simply sighted through his own rifle and murdered an innocent woman. It were certainly no "accident",as I doubt she was going to pull the pin on her held infant and toss it at him. Hint.

What Free Folks do for a vocation in a Free Market,is solely upon them and they are welcome to do as they please. Hint.

Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,though always hopefully to your chagrin. Please continue aloud with your Hurt Feeler Reports and I hope your HS shoots Hornady's very well,just like everything else does. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

I cried when I found out you're a liberal.

I'm happy to be whatever you NEED most. Hint.

If you can't get leg up living in this Country,you'd flounder everywhere else too. I know,I know..."the sky is falling!" and you will always have "reason" to Hissy your Fit. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

BS, is that a Remington KS? Good looking gun.

Nope...boring OEM 700 Sporter in a GB Outlander(mid-generations/light one). Have a herd of those handles and like them well. Hint.




Can't hang with Kreed' at long range,but I've seen worse. Hint...............(grin)

Lol lol

Yeah, that ain't a bad looking set up. Never used one of their stocks but it looks pretty good all the way around.

Whats a bare stock weigh?

I think you've hogged up all the damn 2-12's Mil's as well. Can't find one to buy today!

The Gen 2's were 24-26oz. They are billing the Gen 3's like Gen 1's,at 32-ish ounces. Hint................

That's pretty good for the money really. The Gen 2's..

I've bought all of mine from RHR and they are currently on sale. They bill them at 30 ounces. Hint..............

I’m more concerned about bullet holding together at close range on elk vs inches of drop at 500 yards.
I have most of my kills at under 100 yards than 500+ yards .

Ok, got it ... you're jabbed beyond fk and support the forced jabbing of everyone ..

For some reason I thought you were an an American not a fkn Communist

Learn something new every day, I guess

Swamptard,

I reckon it plum flattering,that so much of your day concerns me and you may want to add some punctuation. Oooopsie! Too late. Hint.

Please continue with your Hurt Feeler Reports,Conspiracy Theories and Insecurities. I'm your shoulder to cry on. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Swamptard,

You are welcome to your Homoerotic Fantasies and I am VERY "surprised" that you think of me,more than you do anything else...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Keep taking it to "the man",while you rattle Pom-Pom's and fill out Hurt Feeler Reports,as opportunity to climb out of yet another closet. Your VERY Tender Feelers REALLY matter to me. Have you considered holding your breath,as you Hissy your Fit? Might be a REAL game "changer" for you,as you point trembling fingers. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Dammit Stick, I respected you .... believing that you were a Constitutional Patriot ! but you're a common mindless Amerikaner JABRONI !

For fks sake man ...... WTF ? ......

Swamptard,

The World is a big place and I'm happy to let others do as they see fit. Nobody was taken by train to Auschwitz,no heads were lopped off and it's a VERY First World "problem",to work as you please,where you please,for wages you agree to. I wish I was fhuqking TENDER enough,that such things upset my cart...yet alas and I'm at a great loss to feel your immense pain. Hint.

Keep thinking about me and the punctuation will come naturally. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Your twist rate of 1 in 10 isn't fast enough to use the 150 LRAB and get both stability and maximum b.c. The 145 ELD-X may therefore be better in your situation. Alternatively, the 140 grain Berger Classic Hunter at .528 G1 can be driven faster and performs well at longer ranges and is accurate and reasonably priced. I shot a large bull elk at over 300 yards with the 143 6.5 ELD-X and it still ran over 300 yards before being dead. 8 twist in a .270 looks like being the future and opens more doors for better b.c. bullets.

Why the fuqk are you posting on the Long Range Hunting Forum then?

Like to know - where did the bullet enter, travel, damage done, and did it exit? Thanks.

The Delusions start behind her crossed eyes and travel through her pointy head. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Because I fuqking am, That’s why.
I practice for long range but sometimes the elk come out closer than anticipated. To me, knowing I can stretch out my bullet or bust through a shoulder with out having the bullet disintegrating is comforting.

Into the shoulder, deflection into the lung, destroyed the lung but didn't exit. Didn't find the bullet. No fault of the bullet, it performed very good. Just that elk full of hormones can be tough.

Don’t poke it in the ass then it won’t matter

.[/quote] Your twist rate of 1 in 10 isn't fast enough to use the 150 LRAB and get both stability and maximum b.c.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. I have fired this bullet in my rifle as well as other .270’s with a 1-10” twist with no stability issues.

Your twist rate of 1 in 10 isn't fast enough to use the 150 LRAB and get both stability and maximum b.c.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. I have fired this bullet in my rifle as well as other .270’s with a 1-10” twist with no stability issues.[/quote]

I think what he meant is the bullets are marginal in some places lower in elevation and the 10 twists lose a bit of the BC since a faster twist spins them up and fully stabilizes them.

I’ve had a few 270’s shoot them well as well and when they shoot they are decent. But I think to reap all you could a bit faster gun gets all there is to be had.

The 150's BC is Imaginary to start with and then when coupled with 10" rotational velocity at 270 Win lineal speed,the gross compilation is running on fumes. Add atmospherics into the equation and it's multiple uphill battles and WELL shy of the billing,as plainly cited prior. None of which is subjective. Hint.

I'd b curious to know the scope utilized to steer same? Hint..............

Tough indeed. Glad you recovered it. Thanks for the info.

First of, you likely won't be able to buy any ABLR as they have about 2 machines and have to schedule different bullets months in advance. IF you did find any, they're 3 times the price of the Hornady.
On top of that. I found they flat out lied about the BC on those long- rangers. No, i wouldn't set out to develope a load with something so over priced, over hyped and under produced as a Nosler bullet

I have had good luck with the 145 Eldx on deer.

I do tend to trust Berger, Sierra and now Hornady with their b.c. figures more than some of the other bullet makers. I got stung years ago with Nosler 140 AB in .270, buying lots, doing load development...only to find that they had significantly over-stated the b.c., which they then revised. And of course NO COMPENSATION. And Speer's b.c.'s...I wonder how they are arrived at!

Always use a BC app and look at the “Litz” numbers. Those are real

I would think a 140AB would be a great all around load, but must say back in the 90s, I ran 150 BTs almost exclusively, never let me down.

They looked like a mini-ICBM to me......dropped a nice 8pt WT one am, he jumped about 3 steps......another DRT.....

Matters of honesty aside, at 600 yards and under it does not matter. You’ve got plenty of speed and BC any way you turn. If your load is accurate, turrets true, and dope good, the rest is just clicks on a dial. Any reasonable BC is fine.

Nosler ABs and NPs can’t be relied on due to availability. Probably same with ABLRs.

I'm sold on the Bergers for longer-distance hunting. Been working up a load for the .277 140 grain Classic Hunter with a b.c. of .528. Very accurate, jump tolerant, fast. In other configurations they have had excellent terminal performance on game for me. They will do me until my 10 twist is replaced by an 8 twist. And then, the 140 grain SB-2 with a .650 B.C, unless something better comes on the market.

Will just leave this right here.



...the .270 caliber 150 grain LRAB fired from a 1:10" twist 270 Winchester
only produced an SG (stability factor) of 1.19 under the conditions of the test.

This low stability resulted in a G7 BC of 0.278, which is 12% below the advertised value of .317.
Note that groups were good at this stability level. However, in order to achieve the highest BC,
you need to generate a stability factor of at least 1.5*.

Retesting the bullet in a 1:7" twist 270 Winchester produced an SG of 2.31,
and a BC that's 4% higher (0.291).




GR

I just wonder about the .308 180 Nosler Accubond's claimed .507 G1. Probably excessive too. Am thinking of using them, but not if their real b.c. is well below .500.

the standard .284 160 accubond has a published BC of .531, however launched at 3575 fps from my 9 twist lilja barrel, I have to run the BC in my program at .62 in order for my chart to match my actual trajectory. velocity has a lot to do with your actual BC.

Sierra lists up to 3 BC's for a given bullet based on speed.

And Hornady is starting to do that too. And I also tend to trust Berger. It would be good if the other bullet manufacturers were a bit more transparent in how they arrive at their b.c.'s. I really think some of the bullet manufacturers know that their b.c's are inflated, but they figure that they get more sales with the inflated figures. But for me, they lose credibility if I find their b.c's are inflated, and I deliberately try to buy from a more reputable (in terms of their b.c figures) bullet manufacturer.

I would trust the ablr more on tough shots. They do expand more rapidly due to soft nose than normal accubond but are bonded and have thick solid base jacket. The eldx is simply a ballistic tip/sst with even more thin nose like the ablr but not bonding to keep it together. However they are generally heavy for cal so that should help. Any case I have been shooting pigs this summer with 165 ablr out of 6.8W and have been impressed. Big wounds and pass thru.

As for BC, Nosler had their BC tested with doppler and are lower than unitial. Litz calculation on SG do not account for plastic tip which he does not agree with. I don’t know if because of some “not invented here” sour grapes or not but makes sense to me that center of gravity changes with bullet construction. A model that works with a otm/super thin jacket bullet like berger will not be same as model for a thicket jacket hunting bullet so relying on SG from that calculator as gospel is naive. Hornady said they use computer modeling to validate the center of gravity/stability for their bullets and change jacket/cores accordingly on a pod cast probably tiring of internet expert twist calculator jockeys saying need more twist than what they recommend

Lou

I shot both in a 1:10 270 and went with 145gr ELD-X. Shoots great out to 600 yards. Have not shot much past that.

The deer/antelope that I have shot with that bullet leads me to believe it is a rapidly expanding bullet with a lot of tissue damage/waste.

The ABLR may be better in my 1:8 270, but went with the Barnes 155gr LRX.

Have not had time to shoot the 155gr at distance. Hopefully in the next couple weeks. Positive it will perform just fine and kill stuff.

Years ago this forum's focus was on how to gain an extra 53fps and to use molly coated bullets or nothing. It seems in today's long range trend, which I am not bashing, are we asking the correct question(s) regarding hunting bullets? Are B.C. and twist rate really the top priorities? You be the judge.

You may want to look at the name of the forum you’re posting on

Duh.

Oh, I’m fully aware that it says hunting, Stick Jr.

No that’s a legitimate question. I for one, do not think that b.c. trumps everything else any more than muzzle velocity etc. It’s a part of the equation for sure and once one shoots in excess of traditional hunting distances (300+ yards arguably) things like b.c. begin to matter more but are not everything, at least not to me.

Shot placement and proper bullet performance share an equal importance when it comes to killing game animals.