Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Winchester Collectors Prettiest super grade I’ve seen in a while!

Opinions obviously vary but I think both the Biesen/Biesen Knock-off and Shrapnel’s .22 Hornet are simply gorgeous guns!

Hard to beat a Model 70!

Vastly different skill levels of the individuals who checkered those stocks. The checkering borders on the gun in question are very telling

The difference between curly rock maple and European walnut is pretty dramatic when it comes to checkering.

I don’t have enough experience with it but his rifles have deep and perfect patterns.

So, factory original barrel when stocked and replacement barrel has been installed. So, if Biesen with original factory barrel he would not have stamped the metal but he would have stamped in the stock inletting, or perhaps, under the buttplate. Never seen one stamped in buttplate though. Not a Biesen unless you can prove otherwise. Got an invoice??

It's a pretty specimen and perhaps "innovative of crafting the action to a chambering. Mauser Oberndorf did that specifically for their "Intermediate Action" for the 7x57 chambering. That said...

There are apparently a lot of photos I missed as taken down after sale. But I'm left with the profound 'tilt' no one seems to be mentoning, of advertised as .270 Weatherby Mag chambering if I'm reading correctly and appearing for nothing longer than the ever mentioned here .22 Hornet! Must be my error somewhere!

t's neither a Winchester Super Grade nor in any manner collectible. The rifle is of early postwar origins in serial digits and yet bearing Tilden Safety lever. Comparing "beauty to a genuine Super Grade, is apples to oranges. A 'non-starter' a inferred in a Post above! From that point, I need to rapidly defer to the many folks here exhibiting expertise regard Beisen work, far beyond my humble knowledge. Otherwise, far too many 'tilts' reflecting unknowns including messing with action length of a receiver of heat treated 4140 strength derived. I'm not up for that as purchase candidate plus nowadays, far better off with a medium length Classic series Model 70 from the latter nineties, factory original.

The specimen stock is indeed "striking", as I'd described it. But - just as a question - does anyone else here, thinking its actually achieved "excess"? I love "tiger striping" and this is the first occasion where I find it "excessive"! It seems to me so "up front" as taking away some degree of harmony and proportionality to the overall rifle. A sort of "in your face" dominance. Aesthetics everyone's different and nobody "wrong". So leave it as 'just me"!

The 'net' her parallels the a similar assessment above amounting to "If you like it." My concurrence exactly. Just please don't call it Winchester Super Grade!

Thanks for sharing a definitely 'interesting rifle'.
Best & definitely my take!
John

Agree that the stock or rifle don’t seem to be an Al Biesen. The missing barrel marking already mentioned speaks against it. Stamping in the stock was routine but reportedly not there on this one.

The biggest clue to me is the lack of the elegantly rearward curved line finishing the rear line on the cheek piece. There is a very rudimentary attempt to start it but it is not at all like the Biesens I’ve handled. This was a signature feature for both Al and Roger.

Barrel channel looks to have been opened up some for the new barrel. As far as it being a Biesen stock, it is certainly in his style, but no more than a well made old custom stock on a rifle that will be hopefully killing some critters this fall.

spent that kind of money shoulda bought a Weatherby !