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I didn’t really watch the debate as it happened but from what I’ve seen since, it was bad. Fox was bad. The questions were stupid. People talked over each other. And most of the candidates were either flat out awful and unlikeable (Pence, Hutchinson, and Christy) or extremely unimpressive (Ron and others).

Trump was absolute right to skip it. Love him, hate him, or if you are indifferent Trump it’s going to be him or nobody. I don’t know if he can win. I don’t know if they will let him. But it’s him or nothing. I actually wish it wasn’t so, but it is.

I felt in 2016 that the establishment got it wrong in that Trump was not their demise, he was all that stood between them and the guillotine. I still feel that way. Things are starting to boil and all these people understand is to ratchet it up. If you close every valve on a boiler, the pressure builds until it explodes. Our ruling class is stupid, instead of understanding that and trying to manage Trump and the pressure, they are tying down valves and pouring on the coal. I don’t know what happens when it goes, but it won’t be good for anybody.

There was nobody on that stage who will ever be president of the United States.

Some people say we've lost the Republic. I can't believe we have but I do think we are heading for times like none of us have seen. It's all been predicted in the Bible and it's playing out. I've post this before but it's worth repeating.

"The propitious smiles of heaven cannot be expected on a nation that disregards rules of order and right that heaven itself has ordained."
George Washington

None on that stage gets this statement. If they did they'd quit pandering and do what we as decent citizens know should be done. But they are not that way. Just look at what the debate was about, man made climate change, lambasting Trump, it was all me me me. Just like the selfish jerks they are. They were led by the moderators. Do true leaders follow along that way? Nope!

We've got a chance at this and the man for the job is Trump. Get over yourself and get behind him. America needs to be mindful of George Washington's words. Ask yourself this. Did the Founders know we would face cheating in elections and power hungry people? Did they know that we would have our nation be torn apart by ungodly ideas? Of course they did. That's why we have some documents that govern us. Leave any of it out and deny that God gave them the wisdom to govern and we will lose.

Reagan said that America was the last stand for a refuge for freedom for the entire world.

Like.

I hope you're right, but the same was said about Pres. Trump.

Trump won and didn't even show up.

I’ll say this about the English, while they had an actual aristocracy that mattered and had a stake in the well being of the kingdom, they did a very good job of reforming just enough to release the pressure over centuries. There were occasional boil overs but the ruling class understood that in addition to the privilege, they had responsibility to the masses and it was in no one’s interest to break the damned country.

We don’t have that. We have the worst of all worlds. We have dumb people who think they are smart, who have no allegiance to anything or anyone but themselves, who view all criticism as a threat to their existence, who know nothing but to mock, ridicule, and double down. Every single thing in this country now is run like the Ukraine War. Just ignore reality and double down. When reality finally can be ignored no more and it all comes crashing down, simply pretend it never happened/doesn’t exist and move on to to the next thing without a hint of humility, chagrin, or desire to learn from past failures.

I can’t help but think that the rest of the world must think we are absolutely insane.

We have lost the republic. Sad but true. We have lost much of our freedoms. The gov is bigger than anyone could have imagined. They spy on all of us. They are attempting to throw one of the most popular presidents in history into jail against the wishes of the people. They have completely demonized whites and people on the right. The left has freedom to literally burn cities to the ground and beat you if you support Trump. If you fight back, you go to prison. All public school are just indoctrination camps at this point. The left can steal an election at any time and nothing will be done. If you say something the left doesnt agree with, you can be financially ruined or worse. How does anyone have one bit of hope for what this country has become? Can anyone argue against what I just said? What am I missing here guys?

Perfectly stated. Exactly spot on.

They're not stupid. They're evil. Biblical proportions evil.

One way or another, the Bolsheviks won't allow trump to get the GOP nomination.

Nothing is going to happen; the sheeple like eating schitt & will do so even as it chokes them to death.

MM

All societal constructs fail. I do believe we are watching it crumble around us.

Absolute truth.

Each day now people are realizing just how bad our government really is. If we do have another election in 2024 it just might be much different than the last one.

No, they are stupid. Oh, they’re evil too, but they are idiots as well. Our ruling class is no more sophisticated than a bunch of slightly more literate Biff Tannens. They’re cartoonish.

I doubt it.

Other countries have had "fixed" elections for years. It's our turn now.

Trump spends a night in jail, I really think things will boil over

Absolutely. Every great empire in history has failed. We are no different and sadly it seems like we will all be here to witness the downfall

Trump can be shot dead by a democrat and nothing will happen.