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People are mighty jumpy now thanks to the media. Here I know my neighbors and if they have guns out...we talk about the fun to come.
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Who doesn’t have enough headaches in life without going out and trying to create more? Apparently, this guy. Unless he is willing to give himself migraines in order to restore your Constitutional Rights.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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People are mighty jumpy now thanks to the media. Here I know my neighbors and if they have guns out...we talk about the fun to come. Do you live across from a school?
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Say you bought a lot then built a house paying a mortgage every month for years. Then the local government decides that the 40 acre pasture across the street needs to be a new school. Then they announce it as a gunfree zone. Seems to me that those who own adjacent property have been wronged they were there first. No different than people moving next to a shooting range then legally moving to have the range shut down. Like most of these problems are God damn realtors..mb
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The fundamental question is whether his actions can be classified as brandishing. If you brandish a firearm at someone, that is technically assault as I understand it. I am vehemently opposed to a policy of arresting people for merely have repeatedly been seen with a firearm in public... there must be some sort of aggravating factor such as brandishing or threats. Not Hardly. The fundamental question is whether or not he was in possession of a firearm on public property within 1000 feet of a school without a State issued license to do so. Brandishing has ZERO to do with this. One can be charged under the GFSZ Act for concealed carry if not in possession of a state issued license. Yes and no. They may not charge him with brandishing, but it sounds like he was making his firearms all too public across the street from the school.
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Say you bought a lot then built a house paying a mortgage every month for years. Then the local government decides that the 40 acre pasture across the street needs to be a new school. Then they announce it as a gunfree zone. Seems to me that those who own adjacent property have been wronged they were there first. No different than people moving next to a shooting range then legally moving to have the range shut down. Like most of these problems are God damn realtors..mb Sure but what if it became a police station instead? He may have been equally screwed.
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The following is a statement by Billings Police Lt. Matt Lennick:
"This is something we have been dealing with for weeks. We receive multiple calls a day on this individual. We have had contact with him on multiple occasions, and currently he is refusing to stop displaying his firearms while on his property. At this time he has not done anything illegal and we do not have the authority to arrest him, take his firearms, or force him to stop coming out into his yard. There is no state statute that restricts guns within a school zone, especially on one’s private property adjacent to a school. We have reached out to the FBI and ATF to see if there is federal statutes they can assist with. For the time being we are actively posting Officers in the area to make sure everyone is safe."
The idiot lives directly across the street from an elementary school. He would not listen to the local LEO's, instead he walked around the area with guns. He kept displaying them.
He is an idiot at best, probably mentally ill too. With all the school shootings in the news, it is obvious that idiot wanted attention. Well he got it. Did you forget this: "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
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Test case. He's done this on purpose. Locals are well aware.
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Here is the answer to the OP! These types of atrocities will continue as long as we allow it to happen! memtb
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(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
So IDK who makes this convoluted wording but there is no "licensed to do so by the State" in PA for long guns unless they are talking about a hunting license. The license to conceal carry specifically doesn't cover long guns, only "firearms" which is only pistols and possible SBRs. I live within 1000' of a High School and am always careful when carrying my firearm of any type to my car parked on the street in front of my house but this unconstitutional law has concerned me since I lived there.
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The following is a statement by Billings Police Lt. Matt Lennick:
"This is something we have been dealing with for weeks. We receive multiple calls a day on this individual. We have had contact with him on multiple occasions, and currently he is refusing to stop displaying his firearms while on his property. At this time he has not done anything illegal and we do not have the authority to arrest him, take his firearms, or force him to stop coming out into his yard. There is no state statute that restricts guns within a school zone, especially on one’s private property adjacent to a school. We have reached out to the FBI and ATF to see if there is federal statutes they can assist with. For the time being we are actively posting Officers in the area to make sure everyone is safe."
The idiot lives directly across the street from an elementary school. He would not listen to the local LEO's, instead he walked around the area with guns. He kept displaying them.
He is an idiot at best, probably mentally ill too. With all the school shootings in the news, it is obvious that idiot wanted attention. Well he got it. Did you forget this: "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Did the Heller case? No right is absolute. Can't bring a gun into prison (excepting CO's of course). You may not like where the line is drawn, none of us do, but there are and always have been some restrictions on firearms. Even when the Constitution was written. Read Heller if you don't believe me.
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Test case. He's done this on purpose. Locals are well aware. Where did you read that? Would be great if true but I kinda doubt it is.
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(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
So IDK who makes this convoluted wording but there is no "licensed to do so by the State" in PA for long guns unless they are talking about a hunting license. The license to conceal carry specifically doesn't cover long guns, only "firearms" which is only pistols and possible SBRs. I live within 1000' of a High School and am always careful when carrying my firearm of any type to my car parked on the street in front of my house but this unconstitutional law has concerned me since I lived there. My best guess: The federal act exempts people who own guns on their property. It also, as I recall, exempts lawful travel with guns to and from lawful activity. However, CCW is not going to or from a place to use caution gun, so they carved it our expressly.
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The fundamental question is whether his actions can be classified as brandishing. If you brandish a firearm at someone, that is technically assault as I understand it. I am vehemently opposed to a policy of arresting people for merely have repeatedly been seen with a firearm in public... there must be some sort of aggravating factor such as brandishing or threats. Not Hardly. The fundamental question is whether or not he was in possession of a firearm on public property within 1000 feet of a school without a State issued license to do so. Brandishing has ZERO to do with this. One can be charged under the GFSZ Act for concealed carry if not in possession of a state issued license. Yes and no. They may not charge him with brandishing, but it sounds like he was making his firearms all too public across the street from the school. Which has nothing to do with the GFSZ law.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
So IDK who makes this convoluted wording but there is no "licensed to do so by the State" in PA for long guns unless they are talking about a hunting license. The license to conceal carry specifically doesn't cover long guns, only "firearms" which is only pistols and possible SBRs. I live within 1000' of a High School and am always careful when carrying my firearm of any type to my car parked on the street in front of my house but this unconstitutional law has concerned me since I lived there. My best guess: The federal act exempts people who own guns on their property. It also, as I recall, exempts lawful travel with guns to and from lawful activity. However, CCW is not going to or from a place to use caution gun, so they carved it our expressly. Stop guessing and read the statute, JFC.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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The fundamental question is whether his actions can be classified as brandishing. If you brandish a firearm at someone, that is technically assault as I understand it. I am vehemently opposed to a policy of arresting people for merely have repeatedly been seen with a firearm in public... there must be some sort of aggravating factor such as brandishing or threats. Not Hardly. The fundamental question is whether or not he was in possession of a firearm on public property within 1000 feet of a school without a State issued license to do so. Brandishing has ZERO to do with this. One can be charged under the GFSZ Act for concealed carry if not in possession of a state issued license. Yes and no. They may not charge him with brandishing, but it sounds like he was making his firearms all too public across the street from the school. Which has nothing to do with the GFSZ law. An idiot displaying or brandishing firearms across the street from an elementary school over a period of weeks can certainly motivate LE to look for things like the federal law. In fact, that's what the local LE said happened. But what would he know? He's only the guy who did it. FFS, If you want to pretend those two events are unrelated, go ahead. But you are being unrealistic. Sounds like an idiot wanted attention, and got it, via the federal law. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Jeebus folks,
Scenario, Feds find a small loophole like maybe he stepped onto the sidewalk in front of the house once which isn’t private property. Arrest and haul off to the jail then local hospital for Psychological exam. Exam shows he mentally incompetent to own firearms. This allows prosecutors to drop charges but confiscate firearms, flag on NICS and it’s over.
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"Gun free school zone" is one of the most worthless and idiotic creations of the nanny state. "Save our children", bleat the sheep.
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Jeebus folks,
Scenario, Feds find a small loophole like maybe he stepped onto the sidewalk in front of the house once which isn’t private property. Arrest and haul off to the jail then local hospital for Psychological exam. Exam shows he mentally incompetent to own firearms. This allows prosecutors to drop charges but confiscate firearms, flag on NICS and it’s over. What if he is mentally unstable? I hope he's not; I hope it was a pissing match between neighbors and this is all much ado about nothing, he gets his guns back, sells his house at a huge profit, and moves where he wants to be. But I am betting he is an idiot, at the least. Looks like Caddyshack, 2023. ![[Linked Image from ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com]](https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/282b06f/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1280x720+0+0/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fewscripps-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F64%2Fe1%2Fdcd1e75b481c92428ffecee3cdd9%2Fkrtv00001.png)
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Who doesn’t have enough headaches in life without going out and trying to create more? Apparently, this guy. Unless he is willing to give himself migraines in order to restore your Constitutional Rights. I wish he’d stop. Folks like this do responsible gun owners no favors.
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