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Location is more important than square footage. A house is either big enough or not and you either like it or you don't.
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Did anybody say length X width?
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I’d like to take a moment and thank my parents for beating the schit out of me while growing up.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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There are some map programs that allow you to measure area from satellite views. OnX does it but it will be in acres, not sq. ft., not very useful.
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I’d like to take a moment and thank my parents for beating the schit out of me while growing up. #MeToo
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for the true sq. ft. measure the foundation then add in all the area's that hang over the foundation, fireplaces, bay windows, etc.
If you measure above the foundation you could get a bigger number because the siding usually extends over the foundation, and if the house have been resided it could make the exterior dimension anywhere from 1 to 2" bigger, that little amount could had 10 or more sq. ft..
Now the cost/sq.ft. for new construction around here is calculated based on move-in price. It would include cost of well, septic, paved drive, sidewalks, final grade and even lawn seeding, sewer /water hook-ups. So the $450-500 cost per/sq. ft. includes more than just the structure.
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The Property Appraiser's web site for every county has a listing, on line, for every property in the county, same for cities, by address, owner, size, all buildings, etc. It is public knowledge and accessible by compute. For property insurance purposes, my office used the sites daily. Quite true. But, sometimes, a guy will make an addition onto his house, and may even double the square footage, but he didn't get a permit for the addition so the actual size is not on the books. What is on the books is not even close.
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Almost all tax assessments have the square footage listed. Sites like Zillow use those numbers in their estimates and publish them. My numbers listed there and on Zillow are less than actual. I never submitted the L x W so it is not my mistake. I would think it under values my property on Zillow, but have no plans to sell. If I try to correct it, will I owe back taxes? Or should I just shut up and let it be?
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Some helpful suggestions here. Thanks for those. The main issue is that she doesn't know for sure the square footage and obviously we don't either. She is the original owner so it hasn't sold before. I did check Zillow as some of you suggested and it said 2350 or so. I don't remember exactly. She said the main house is about 2000 and the detached "apartment " where her daughter lives is about 300 so the Zillow figure is probably correct. I will take some measurements tomorrow anyway. Not being in the real estate business I just didn't know how the official square footage is measured. I figured it was the heated and cooled area but does that include all the walls or not?
Basically I want to compare the size of her place with the 60 or so homes we have seen in our search since we moved here.
She through out $400,000 when I asked her after seeing it for the 1st time last Sunday. I told her that I thought that was high based on all the homes we have seen so far. We haven't seen the apartment and the single car garage attached to it yet but as she described it there is no way it is worth the same per square foot as the main house.
This morning I looked at the sold price on Zillow for several of the homes we looked at, some of which we made offers on. None were over 170/foot and some were under 150.
She needs to be aware of this. I know full well that the price per square foot is just one measure. I am not an idiot like some of you jackholes think. And I know that making her aware of the average sale price per square foot on several recently sold and similar homes will only mean so much to her but I think it is a reasonable approach to start a negotiation with her.
We do like the home and property and location for the most part. Nothing is perfect. The main downside of the location is that it is about 400 yards from the interstate so there is a fair amount of road noise when outside. Not as peaceful as we would hope for country living. And the apartment would get little use unless friends or family come to visit.
We might rent it out in occasion. Tourists do visit the area. I think she said that there is a microwave and hot plate but no stove top or oven. We will find out more tomorrow.
It is on 4 acres. She had over 100 there but sold the rest to her cousin. He has cattle on it at times. She said that he spreads poultry manure to help the grass grow for the cattle and for cutting hay. The smell of that and the flies that come with it is another detractors but we figure it will be manageable. And maybe that cousin will let me hunt deer on his property 😁.
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My wife and I might buy a house that is not on the market. The lady wants to sell it but doesn't plan to list it with a realtor. She is unsure of the exact square footage. She says it is about 2000. I would like to know how big it is since many homes are listed with a price and size and thus a price per square foot. When a realtor lists a house and says it is a certain size, how is that size determined? If the seller doesn't have blueprints then how is it figured?
We plan on seeing it again on Sunday for the second time. We plan to take a tape measure and measure the outside walls and also take some measurements inside. The outside measurements are not equal to what is in a typical listing I would guess. Anyway I would appreciate some advice on how to get a close estimate of the actual size of the house. Thanks! As folks have said, exterior LXW. However, what you're calculating, a $/sq ft is meaningless. If the doors and windows are in the wrong place for your furniture, then sq footage means nothing. If you can't see yourself making food in the kitchen, or waking up in the middle of the night and hitting the head, then sq footage means nothing. When considering a house for purchase, I go in each room and do a quick mind's eye view of what goes where and what walking through is going to be like. If I don't like the flow of the rooms, I walk. Something else: Square Footage listings are very misleading in another way. It depends on how you're using it. If the attic is semi-finished and you're thinking of turning it into a loft bedroom or office, then that's more sq footage. If you're using the basement for a workshop that's more sq footage.Depends on the state. Here even if the basement is finished it doesn’t count as living space if it’s below grade. The semi finished attic yes.
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P.S. Deflate my dad was brutal in his physical, verbal and emotional abuse at times to me and my siblings and mother when I was a child. I am so proud. What a freaking idiot you continue to be. F off!
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P.S. Deflate my dad was brutal in his physical, verbal and emotional abuse at times to me and my siblings and mother when I was a child. I am so proud. What a freaking idiot you continue to be. F off! He should have gone harder. LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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P.S. Deflate my dad was brutal in his physical, verbal and emotional abuse at times to me and my siblings and mother when I was a child. I am so proud. What a freaking idiot you continue to be. F off! He should have gone harder. LOL Pard child abuse is nothing laugh about.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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I've witnessed several houses/ apartments whose actual square footages were drastically different than either advertised (apartments) or the tax records (houses). I suspect that people have added on to some homes in the past and didn't want to pay the extra taxes that come with that. I suspect the latter is probably going to go away with technology such as monitoring by drone/ satellite photos.
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if it's one story easy. measure length and width and multiply.
Then, subtract out the size of the garage if it is within that rectangle since you are usually talking about sq ft of living area (heated and cooled)
fyi, most garages are 400 to 480 sq for a 2 car garage.
* and my house is different than what's on the tax roll as I added 2 extra rooms upstairs next to the other 2 bedrooms up there after construction started.
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One of my dad's fits of rage ended him in the slammer after throwing my 3 year old brother out of the house and into the front yard where the poor guy ended up with a broken leg. Good times for sure! I praise God that He gave me the grace to forgive my father. We have a good relationship. I value him greatly for his life experience (obviously not all based on abuse). I love him greatly and look forward to seeing him and his wife in December when we visit them in Ecuador where they retired to in 2011. This will be our 3rd trip down there and it will include 6 days of guided birdwatching on the eastern slope of the Andes. Hoping to break 1000 birds on my life list.
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Almost all tax assessments have the square footage listed. Sites like Zillow use those numbers in their estimates and publish them. My numbers listed there and on Zillow are less than actual. I never submitted the L x W so it is not my mistake. I would think it under values my property on Zillow, but have no plans to sell. If I try to correct it, will I owe back taxes? Or should I just shut up and let it be? As mentioned several times above, there are varying rules in different locations about what counts as square footage for tax reasons. It needs to be heated, etc. Locally, a bedroom must have an egress window to be counted as a bedroom.
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The ways and means of the housing market seem to be shifting quite a bit - was told yesterday that cubic footage of actual living space is becoming the new base standard. Wonder how many realtors know how to measure that.
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Rudy to Clarksville and everything in between is not exactly apples to apples. Have you looked on actdatascout for the tax assessment? I'd start there first. As an example, the house in Ozark on Rainbow lane is listed at 2080 sq ft on both the tax assessment and zillow.
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