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Originally Posted by bluefish
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Change my mind

How about begin by citing evidence to support your assertion. That’s usually how it’s done.
Egypt stated israel knew. Nothing gets by israel when it comes to chit like this. 7 hours and the military sat and did nothing even though they were in the area. Hamas was using phones to communicate and youre telling me israel wasnt able to intercept? We all know the deep state wants ww3 and israel is fully apart of thr deep state. Israel wants gaza as their own amd destroying hamas and eventually iran is a win for both. No one gave a chit about ukraine, but israel has a bunch of you all fired up and ready to let our children die to defend. You tell me how this isnt what happened


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Didn't FJB and Netanyahu meet in WDC 2-3 weeks ago?


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Are there conspiracies? Yes. Do Governments lie? Of course. Does that mean that everything that happens is a conspiracy and everything the government says is a a lie? Hell no.

As bluefish says, it's your claim; it must be your proof. We're waiting for you to produce evidence.


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You really think mossad had no idea this was coming? Lol damn people are dumber than I imagined.

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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
You really think mossad had no idea this was coming? Lol damn people are dumber than I imagined.

Or maybe they’re just not the elite intelligence agency that the fanboys here fantasize them to be.



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Originally Posted by Pat85
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You really think mossad had no idea this was coming? Lol damn people are dumber than I imagined.

Or maybe they’re just not the elite intelligence agency that the fanboys here fantasize them to be.
Right... 🤣
Because Israel knew how to break into i(diot)phones before our fb-lie purportedly knew how. And they had their own version of Stingray most likely before we did but hey, they're a bunch of dummies...

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Originally Posted by Pat85
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
You really think mossad had no idea this was coming? Lol damn people are dumber than I imagined.

Or maybe they’re just not the elite intelligence agency that the fanboys here fantasize them to be.


Oh ya I'm sure with their human sources and technological capabilities there's no way they had any idea this was going to take place.

Lol.

It was allowed to happen. It's a win/win. They get their war and a bigger budget.

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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
You really think mossad had no idea this was coming? Lol damn people are dumber than I imagined.
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Originally Posted by Swamplord
Israel runs the Deep State, the Cabal, the NWO, servants of the Antichrist

If you refuse to acknowledge the Truth then you are already lost

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

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I'm not saying they knew...but since it happened, forewarning or not, Israel now has the moral high ground to give Gaza the deep cleaning so badly needed. The photos of burned infants enabled Israel to clean out Gaza without world opinion condemning them. Conspiracy or not, within the next few months it will be 'mission accomplished'. A deep cleaning in Gaza without this horrifying trigger incident would have initiated a 3 front all out war for the IDF.


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by bluefish
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Change my mind

How about begin by citing evidence to support your assertion. That’s usually how it’s done.
Egypt stated israel knew. Nothing gets by israel when it comes to chit like this. 7 hours and the military sat and did nothing even though they were in the area. Hamas was using phones to communicate and youre telling me israel wasnt able to intercept? We all know the deep state wants ww3 and israel is fully apart of thr deep state. Israel wants gaza as their own amd destroying hamas and eventually iran is a win for both. No one gave a chit about ukraine, but israel has a bunch of you all fired up and ready to let our children die to defend. You tell me how this isnt what happened

In fairness you are drawing a conclusion without real evidence. Who actually knows what the IDF knew or did not know or when? It’s conjecture isn’t it? As a Christian I believe and accept Israel as the history or of the Jewish people.I also accept Hamas as a known terrorist organization which has no place among people. From that perspective I hope the IDF cleans out the hornets nest in Gaza and then flattens Tehran as a proactive step.


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
I'm not saying they knew...but since it happened, forewarning or not, Israel now has the moral high ground to give Gaza the deep cleaning so badly needed. The photos of burned infants enabled Israel to clean out Gaza without world opinion condemning them. Conspiracy or not, within the next few months it will be 'mission accomplished'. A deep cleaning in Gaza without this horrifying trigger incident would have initiated a 3 front all out war for the IDF.

Which is exactly why they let it happen.

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It really does seem unlikely Israel did not know this was coming.

So who did Israel sacrifice? Mainly liberal folks. Kids at the concert, small enclaves of artsy types and sure, families.

Hamas was more than happy to give reason to hate them and act in despicable ways.

On the other side, the Saudis can say they were amenable to a deal with Israel, but cannot stand for killing Hamas. So now they will make deals with Iran? Likely cover for the hope this will lead to Israel hitting Iran to take out their nuke efforts and save the Saudis need to get their own.

The complexity and deception among any and all of the players in the Middle East surpasses any comprehension.

Then add in America's leadership negotiating with Iran.

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Originally Posted by Stophel
Originally Posted by Swamplord
Israel runs the Deep State, the Cabal, the NWO, servants of the Antichrist

If you refuse to acknowledge the Truth then you are already lost

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.


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A little, boots on the ground, testimony from the concert.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1713081091874009563


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
I'm not saying they knew...but since it happened, forewarning or not, Israel now has the moral high ground to give Gaza the deep cleaning so badly needed. The photos of burned infants enabled Israel to clean out Gaza without world opinion condemning them. Conspiracy or not, within the next few months it will be 'mission accomplished'. A deep cleaning in Gaza without this horrifying trigger incident would have initiated a 3 front all out war for the IDF.

^THIS^


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Originally Posted by erikj
A little, boots on the ground, testimony from the concert.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1713081091874009563

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As a Christian, I know that "israel" is an impostor. That those who call themselves "jews" are not. They are spiritual impostors and physical impostors, not even remotely related to the ancient Hebrews (and even if they were, it wouldn't matter). They are blasphemers of the highest order. They lie as a matter of course. Watch them. REALLY watch them. Listen to them. The Serpent speaks through them.

But, so many Christians today have been deluded by the patently unbiblical notion that "the jews are God's chosen people!". Notions formulated and promulgated by people like Darby, Scofield, LaHaye, Lindsay, Hagee, etc. A deception that now infects almost the entirety of the church in America. Unless this is addressed, nothing else really matters.

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Originally Posted by Stophel
As a Christian, I know that "israel" is an impostor. That those who call themselves "jews" are not. They are spiritual impostors and physical impostors, not even remotely related to the ancient Hebrews (and even if they were, it wouldn't matter). They are blasphemers of the highest order. They lie as a matter of course. Watch them. REALLY watch them. Listen to them. The Serpent speaks through them.

But, so many Christians today have been deluded by the patently unbiblical notion that "the jews are God's chosen people!". Notions formulated and promulgated by people like Darby, Scofield, LaHaye, Lindsay, Hagee, etc. A deception that now infects almost the entirety of the church in America. Unless this is addressed, nothing else really matters.

Change brands of coke dude.......your brain is really f ucked up!!


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
"Israel knew what was coming and let it happen"

Rubbish.

Tend to agree. It might not be a black-white issue. The non-specific “warning” from Egypt was something “could happen”. However, to one degree or another that’s been true throughout Israel’s history.

It’s also not known to what level in Israel the “warning” was passed on to. It might not have risen to Netanyahu’s level. He denies it.

I’m cynical but not that much to think Israel would have knowingly allowed this to happen as part of a greater strategy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza

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