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Why stop with Wolves? Get some Grizzlies, Badgers, Wolverines, Coyotes, etc. The grizzlies will do far less harm than the d@^^n wolves! memtb Maybe, maybe not. Griz are calf-killing SOB's for a couple months in the spring. Wolves eat year round, so hard to tell. ADF&G took out 100 bears off the Mulchatna (declining pop) caribou calving grounds this spring , all feeding on or actively chasing calves when killed. A half-dozen or so were cubs killed along with their mothers. It is thought that some of the bears came from 100 miles away for the event , annually. Like the moth larvae thing, elsewhere, apparently. Only 5 wolves were found and killed, I think. You should have heard the anti-hunter outrage! (Bears count, caribou calves don't apparently) As is common with bears, the numbers were initially vastly under estimated at 20-25 to be killed. IIRC one study here in Alaska showed that 70% of moose calves died in the first 3 months, and 70% of that was bear predation.
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Not sure how this applies vs grizzlies.
Gary Ault was the black bear guy in this state for a long time, oversaw their expansion untill they were huntable over most of the state.
Then he became the dear guy.
They ran a fawn mortality survey, and he stated that he was amazed at the number of fawns taken by bear. That even with his extensive time working with bears, he had no idea just how many fawns they took.
A good friend and old hunter swore he saw a wolf north of Crested Butte in the early 90s. Watched it for some time in the timber.
Someone is gonna claim it was a coyote, but who knows?
PGC has this game they play.
For decades, "There are no mountain lions in Pa!"
Now, it's,
"There are no mountain lions in PA! If you see one, it's just passing through. We want to remind everyone that every animal in PA is protected. It is illegal to kill any wild animal unless you are licensed and it is in season."
I laugh everytime this comes up.
Evidently, PGC requires mountain lion to apply for residency. The theory that one wouldn't set stakes while "traveling through", the obvious concern with someone blasting that which doesn't exist.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Sure look a lot like big coyotes. Just saying
Let him grow, Shoot a doe !
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Nah , mountain lions have long tails.
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Not sure how this applies vs grizzlies. PGC has this game they play.
For decades, "There are no mountain lions in Pa!"
Now, it's,
"There are no mountain lions in PA! If you see one, it's just passing through. We want to remind everyone that every animal in PA is protected. It is illegal to kill any wild animal unless you are licensed and it is in season."
I laugh everytime this comes up.
Evidently, PGC requires mountain lion to apply for residency. The theory that one wouldn't set stakes while "traveling through", the obvious concern with someone blasting that which doesn't exist.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They've said the same thing in KY. I think they all take trainings with each other and share notes. https://fw.ky.gov/Wildlife/Pages/Mountain-Lions.aspxEvidence:
Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that Kentucky is home to wild mountain lions. Until : https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-...otted-in-kentucky-since-before-civil-war
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Not sure how this applies vs grizzlies. PGC has this game they play.
For decades, "There are no mountain lions in Pa!"
Now, it's,
"There are no mountain lions in PA! If you see one, it's just passing through. We want to remind everyone that every animal in PA is protected. It is illegal to kill any wild animal unless you are licensed and it is in season."
I laugh everytime this comes up.
Evidently, PGC requires mountain lion to apply for residency. The theory that one wouldn't set stakes while "traveling through", the obvious concern with someone blasting that which doesn't exist.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They've said the same thing in KY. I think they all take trainings with each other and share notes. https://fw.ky.gov/Wildlife/Pages/Mountain-Lions.aspxEvidence:
Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that Kentucky is home to wild mountain lions. Until : https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-...otted-in-kentucky-since-before-civil-warNo doubt. We got the exact same line in MI for years. The DNR claimed that there were none. When one got killed by a car they claimed it was probably an escaped or released exotic pet.🙄 Still couldn’t shoot one though. It wasn’t until trail cams got big and there were too many pics to deny it that they finally admitted that there were mountain lions in MI. Now it’s juveniles cats passing through from western states with no proof of a breeding population. The same DNR that claims wolves have a minimal impact on deer because beavers are there primary food source.
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don`t forget this about peta and liberal people who want our guns they like wolves because wolves ruin hunting by destroying population of game animals . less hunters less guns and peta and gun haters win , its sad but true these liberals want our guns .
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don`t forget this about peta and liberal people who want our guns they like wolves because wolves ruin hunting by destroying population of game animals . less hunters less guns and peta and gun haters win , its sad but true these liberals want our guns . I went to a town hall over the issue of nuisance bears and the states main bear biologist plainly said they didn't have longer seasons or raise harvest quotas because they knew they'd be sued by them. Truth.
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Damn shame. Colorado is one of the last hold outs for Shiras Moose. Colorado has a bunch of people out hiking around with their dogs. Going to be a lot of shredded yellow labs unfortunately.
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I have 23 moose points, hope I draw before it becomes pointless.
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I have 23 moose points, hope I draw before it becomes pointless. Got you beat BEANMAN, I have 34 unsucsessful attemps.
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I shoot every coyote that I see and I can't tell the difference between a wolf and a coyote, at 100 yards.
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I shoot every coyote that I see . . . . . . . I wish more people would. They didn't pay those bounties decades ago just for meanness.
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I went to a town hall over the issue of nuisance bears and the states main bear biologist plainly said they didn't have longer seasons or raise harvest quotas because they knew they'd be sued by them.
Truth.[/quote]
Same here with brown bear on the KP. Everyone knew there were many more than the "official" count, and the biologists would admit it. Without sound science data (bears are hard to count!) they dared not increase seasons or limits. Keep in mind they were using a Montana Model!
Finally got money for a DNA hair snag study before they could better the season/limit without getting sued by the nut cases. There were almost 2X the original estimate.
Wolves run in packs, mostly, and are somewhat easier to count.
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You can shoot wolves in Idaho but you need a tag. Resident tags are $11 and there’s no limit on how many you can buy. In most if the state the season is 12 months long.
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I have 23 moose points, hope I draw before it becomes pointless. Got you beat BEANMAN, I have 34 unsucsessful attemps. DAMN!
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Release the damn wolves in downtown Denver. Just like illegal immigrants in NYC.
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Another episode of liberals know best. I've seen most of our good moose population decimated by the grand wolf experiments going on across the west. Its a sad state of affairs.
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It's not good for you Coloradans. The wolves up here in MT and the Grizzlies just keep eating more elk and they just keep spreading farther and farther. Gardiner used to be the elk hunting capital of the world and now its hard to get a decent bull there at all
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