If you’re watching any of the footage coming from Ukraine, then you’re aware of what modern warfare looks like.
Drones.
Unassuming victims are picked off individually or in small groups by simple drones dropping grenades, or by kamikaze drones that chase the enemy down and blow them to bits on impact. Quite terrifying if you’re the guy on the ground.
My question is, how do you fight back against them? My initial thought is a shotgun loaded with magnum shot, maybe 5 or 6 size, with a moderately choked barrel. There are some videos of Russians trying to shoot down drones with various small arms, but I’ve yet to see a Rooskie with a shotgun.
I fear the next step is automated drones (AI) that hunt down enemy drones. The Terminator series of movies has never seemed more relevant.
Automated drones are just a technological step beyond CIWS. CIWS being AI controlling a robotic gun, 1980s tech. And standard issue in bigger ships for decades.
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When this is going on half a world away, it goes easily under the radar. But in the event that we were were attacked by a tyrannical government, or by extremists, we could easily see this sort of thing on American soil.
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. There’s a war coming, right now it’s cold and spiritual. But if you’re a good guy, you need to be thinking about it and preparing for it. Right now the bad guys are calling the shots. They’re actually preparing the population to accept cold blooded murder of you by using words like “domestic terrorist, white separatist” and “a threat to democracy”. It make no mistake. I promise you, if you believe in the ideals that made America number one. YOU ARE A THREAT THAT THEY WANT TO ELIMINATE!!! Edited to add this. I’m a white US Army veteran, I’m a practicing Christian, and I’m a gun owner. Can you really think of a bigger threat to a crooked bureaucrat than guys like me? Reon
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How about jamming the radio signal with possibly a microwave device. Or shining a laser at the drone. The difficulty would be to detect the drone before it zeroes in on you.
How about jamming the radio signal with possibly a microwave device. Or shining a laser at the drone. The difficulty would be to detect the drone before it zeroes in on you.
If you watch the videos, many Rooskies know the drone is above in the final seconds before it drops its payload. This is why I think a shotgun at hand might be your best and only hope.
Also, most grenades/bombs drop for about 3 seconds, which would put the drones a little less than 100’ AGL.
If you’re watching any of the footage coming from Ukraine, then you’re aware of what modern warfare looks like.
Drones.
Unassuming victims are picked off individually or in small groups by simple drones dropping grenades, or by kamikaze drones that chase the enemy down and blow them to bits on impact. Quite terrifying if you’re the guy on the ground.
My question is, how do you fight back against them? My initial thought is a shotgun loaded with magnum shot, maybe 5 or 6 size, with a moderately choked barrel. There are some videos of Russians trying to shoot down drones with various small arms, but I’ve yet to see a Rooskie with a shotgun.
I fear the next step is automated drones (AI) that hunt down enemy drones. The Terminator series of movies has never seemed more relevant.
This is the product that I helped develop and write all the SW for, before I retired. Did a lot of testing on it. I will stop a drone mid-flight and the send it in the direction that the dronebuster is pointing. The drone operator is jammed out and un-able to control the drone at all. It's very simple to use. Point it at the drone and pull the trigger.
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Guy's, Once the drone is up about 200 ft you'll have a hard time seeing or hearing it. First time you'll realize that the drone is anywhere around you is when the grenade lands next to you.
The Dronebuster SNA that I talked about had some sensors that allowed you to detect the various RF frequencies that drones use. It also had directional antennas that allowed you to narrow in on the drone. There was an LED strength indicator that would give you an idea how close it was to you.
There is more that other companies were doing regarding electronic detection, disabling, and destruction, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. Suffice it to say it's not that hard of a problem and it it actively being addressed.
You people who think you'd just shoot down these drones with shotguns are in so far over your heads they'd have to pump daylight to you.
Cover yourself with cold mud and set booby traps?
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Many pharmacies ask you to prove your age because cough syrup contains "dextromethorphan." If you drink enough of it, the effects can be like alcohol and it can get you intoxicated.
Guy's, Once the drone is up about 200 ft you'll have a hard time seeing or hearing it. First time you'll realize that the drone is anywhere around you is when the grenade lands next to you.
The Dronebuster SNA that I talked about had some sensors that allowed you to detect the various RF frequencies that drones use. It also had directional antennas that allowed you to narrow in on the drone. There was an LED strength indicator that would give you an idea how close it was to you.
There is more that other companies were doing regarding electronic detection, disabling, and destruction, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. Suffice it to say it's not that hard of a problem and it it actively being addressed.
Were the enemy to go beyond the standard commercial control frequencies, and standard commercial AV frequencies, (without violating NDA/US security clearance regulations) are there solutions to the issue of drone detection and disablement?
It's been years since I played with a quadcopter, and thus can't recall frequencies used (even if spread spectrum), but there weren't that many, and it didn't seem like any evil actors would be all that constrained when it came to control and/or visual feedback to the operator. GPS jamming and/or spoofing didn't seem like an insurmountable problem either. I"m thinking the latter is what the Dronebuster is using, if you can point it at a simple UAV and then point the UAV where you want it to go crash.
P.S. 200' seems about right. For a quadcopter... For a dedicated quiet power glider, make that a lot closer. Think owl quiet....
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Many pharmacies ask you to prove your age because cough syrup contains "dextromethorphan." If you drink enough of it, the effects can be like alcohol and it can get you intoxicated.
Were the enemy to go beyond the standard commercial control frequencies, and standard commercial AV frequencies, (without violating NDA/US security clearance regulations) are there solutions to the issue of drone detection and disablement?
It's been years since I played with a quadcopter, and thus can't recall frequencies used (even if spread spectrum), but there weren't that many, and it didn't seem like any evil actors would be all that constrained when it came to control and/or visual feedback to the operator. GPS jamming and/or spoofing didn't seem like an insurmountable problem either. I"m thinking the latter is what the Dronebuster is using, if you can point it at a simple UAV and then point the UAV where you want it to go crash.
P.S. 200' seems about right. For a quadcopter... For a dedicated quiet power glider, make that a lot closer. Think owl quiet....
There is a constant fight between electronic warfare and drone attack. It ebbs and flows much like radars and missles.
The latest drones have AI algos that the operater can select a target from a far range and the drone will attack that target through optical, thermal, lidar on board sensors and guidance.
You better have an active/kenetic means of killing the drone on the way in if you want to survive.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
Guy's, Once the drone is up about 200 ft you'll have a hard time seeing or hearing it. First time you'll realize that the drone is anywhere around you is when the grenade lands next to you.
The Dronebuster SNA that I talked about had some sensors that allowed you to detect the various RF frequencies that drones use. It also had directional antennas that allowed you to narrow in on the drone. There was an LED strength indicator that would give you an idea how close it was to you.
There is more that other companies were doing regarding electronic detection, disabling, and destruction, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. Suffice it to say it's not that hard of a problem and it it actively being addressed.
Were the enemy to go beyond the standard commercial control frequencies, and standard commercial AV frequencies, (without violating NDA/US security clearance regulations) are there solutions to the issue of drone detection and disablement?
It's been years since I played with a quadcopter, and thus can't recall frequencies used (even if spread spectrum), but there weren't that many, and it didn't seem like any evil actors would be all that constrained when it came to control and/or visual feedback to the operator. GPS jamming and/or spoofing didn't seem like an insurmountable problem either. I"m thinking the latter is what the Dronebuster is using, if you can point it at a simple UAV and then point the UAV where you want it to go crash.
P.S. 200' seems about right. For a quadcopter... For a dedicated quiet power glider, make that a lot closer. Think owl quiet....
The commercial/personal drones use 2.4 GHz and 5.8 Ghz for command and control. I'm not an RF guy but I'd think that it would be difficult to switch both the drone and the controller to different frequencies. But some inventive bad guy will probably figure it out once it gets to be a problem.
Cat and mouse.
They are spread spectrum. Think they are using QAM.
Can't say too much about how we did what regarding the GPS and CC, but getting the drone to go in the general direction you wanted it to was not hard once you had all your ducks in a row.
Jamming it to get it to land or hover is even easier.
How about jamming the radio signal with possibly a microwave device. Or shining a laser at the drone. The difficulty would be to detect the drone before it zeroes in on you.
I just watched a video from Ukraine today. It appears both sides are using some kind of jammer but they have very limited range. It appears AI has also been programmed into some of the drones. Not quite like launch and forget and let the drone do it's thing, but close.
kwg
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I think that ground wars should have stopped ages ago. You can do simple math on the resources and equipment each side has and know the winner before it starts. We could blow anyone off the face of the earth in a day. But we don't do that. We string it out for years and others countries do the same.
I think that ground wars should have stopped ages ago. You can do simple math on the resources and equipment each side has and know the winner before it starts. We could blow anyone off the face of the earth in a day. But we don't do that. We string it out for years and others countries do the same.
Because Wars sell steel and build big houses for the MIC.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
If you’re watching any of the footage coming from Ukraine, then you’re aware of what modern warfare looks like.
Drones.
Unassuming victims are picked off individually or in small groups by simple drones dropping grenades, or by kamikaze drones that chase the enemy down and blow them to bits on impact. Quite terrifying if you’re the guy on the ground.
My question is, how do you fight back against them? My initial thought is a shotgun loaded with magnum shot, maybe 5 or 6 size, with a moderately choked barrel. There are some videos of Russians trying to shoot down drones with various small arms, but I’ve yet to see a Rooskie with a shotgun.
I fear the next step is automated drones (AI) that hunt down enemy drones. The Terminator series of movies has never seemed more relevant.
This is the product that I helped develop and write all the SW for, before I retired. Did a lot of testing on it. I will stop a drone mid-flight and the send it in the direction that the dronebuster is pointing. The drone operator is jammed out and un-able to control the drone at all. It's very simple to use. Point it at the drone and pull the trigger.
What about a miniaturized version of the Phalanx CIWS that would shoot 5.56x45 instead of 20mm ammo?
What about it, retard?
The other product our company had was a weapon stabilization system. At the time I worked there they put one of the dronebusters on it along with a Dillion Areo (GE) Mini-gun. Let's just say that that setup was unbeatable in close in drone destruction.
Here's a video that shows the system, but not with the DB.
What about a miniaturized version of the Phalanx CIWS that would shoot 5.56x45 instead of 20mm ammo?
What about it, retard?
The other product our company had was a weapon stabilization system. At the time I worked there they put one of the dronebusters on it along with a Dillion Areo (GE) Mini-gun. Let's just say that that setup was unbeatable in close in drone destruction.
Here's a video that shows the system, but not with the DB.
Yes I am sure they can hit a drone.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
What about a miniaturized version of the Phalanx CIWS that would shoot 5.56x45 instead of 20mm ammo?
What about it, retard?
The other product our company had was a weapon stabilization system. At the time I worked there they put one of the dronebusters on it along with a Dillion Areo (GE) Mini-gun. Let's just say that that setup was unbeatable in close in drone destruction.
Here's a video that shows the system, but not with the DB.
Yes I am sure they can hit a drone.
Yeah, but how do you field it at the small unit or individual level?
All this naysaying about the shotgun idea. How hard is it to hit a mostly stationary object 100’ above the ground as it’s about to release its payload on you? Many of these rooskies are fully aware that there is a drone above them and all they can do is beg or pray. Many of the explosives also appear to detonate on impact and be about the size of one of those nerf mini footballs with the fins attached. Should make a reasonable target.
A mini gun scaled down to 22lr might be small enough to be carried by the individual and have some other battlefield capabilities.
You people who think you'd just shoot down these drones with shotguns are in so far over your heads they'd have to pump daylight to you.
X10.
Anyone dumb enough to believe that they could just shoot them down with daddy’s ol 870 Wingmaster is living in fantasy land. Even if some how effective the other side is dictating to you the weapon (shotguns with birdshot) that you have to carry 24/7 while being chased by drones.
Probably the same guys that believe that there Rem 700 30-06 deer rifle is all that they need to fight in modern warfare.
Or that call suppressive fire “spray and pray” or believe that they’ll never miss in a firefight and see no need for anything more than a revolver.
What about a miniaturized version of the Phalanx CIWS that would shoot 5.56x45 instead of 20mm ammo?
What about it, retard?
The other product our company had was a weapon stabilization system. At the time I worked there they put one of the dronebusters on it along with a Dillion Areo (GE) Mini-gun. Let's just say that that setup was unbeatable in close in drone destruction.
Here's a video that shows the system, but not with the DB.
Yes I am sure they can hit a drone.
All about the targeting system; gun is blind w/o it.
My son was in the navy & they had mini-guns with camera guided targeting systems & they were awesome to see perform.
If it comes to our neighborhoods guerilla tactics will play out. A lot of us grandpas will never know if our efforts made life better for our grandkids
Wouldn't military drones be armored against something like shotgun pellets?
Armor is heavy. It reduces range and payload.
Developpement's going the direction of cheap and disposible, with some being made of cardboard. They are shipped flat and assembled near the point of use. Fold them like origami, slap in a battery, motor and warhead, and off they go.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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How about jamming the radio signal with possibly a microwave device. Or shining a laser at the drone. The difficulty would be to detect the drone before it zeroes in on you.
The Russian's are getting very good at jamming Ukrainian drones. Of course the jammers make a great target for anti-radiation missiles.
Israelies recently conducted a successful test of their new laser based anti-drone/rocket system "Iron Beam".
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
What about a miniaturized version of the Phalanx CIWS that would shoot 5.56x45 instead of 20mm ammo?
What about it, retard?
The other product our company had was a weapon stabilization system. At the time I worked there they put one of the dronebusters on it along with a Dillion Areo (GE) Mini-gun. Let's just say that that setup was unbeatable in close in drone destruction.
Here's a video that shows the system, but not with the DB.
Yes I am sure they can hit a drone.
Yeah, but how do you field it at the small unit or individual level?
All this naysaying about the shotgun idea. How hard is it to hit a mostly stationary object 100’ above the ground as it’s about to release its payload on you? Many of these rooskies are fully aware that there is a drone above them and all they can do is beg or pray. Many of the explosives also appear to detonate on impact and be about the size of one of those nerf mini footballs with the fins attached. Should make a reasonable target.
A mini gun scaled down to 22lr might be small enough to be carried by the individual and have some other battlefield capabilities.
With the armament capacities growing on the smaller drones, I’d have to believe by the time the drone came within shotgun range and you were successful in hitting it you’re dead as well. Something with more reach would be needed.
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Guy's, Once the drone is up about 200 ft you'll have a hard time seeing or hearing it. First time you'll realize that the drone is anywhere around you is when the grenade lands next to you.
The Dronebuster SNA that I talked about had some sensors that allowed you to detect the various RF frequencies that drones use. It also had directional antennas that allowed you to narrow in on the drone. There was an LED strength indicator that would give you an idea how close it was to you.
There is more that other companies were doing regarding electronic detection, disabling, and destruction, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. Suffice it to say it's not that hard of a problem and it it actively being addressed.
Now if someone would just pair that with a 30mm autocannon, proximity fused ammo and stick it on a pickup, oh, wait, what are those crazy Aussies up to?
A little publicized development on the modern battlefield is the deployment of armored Walls of Sound to play dramatic music while the other super weapons drive around looking badass...
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
[quote=Steve]Guy's, Once the drone is up about 200 ft you'll have a hard time seeing or hearing it. First time you'll realize that the drone is anywhere around you is when the grenade lands next to you.
The Dronebuster SNA that I talked about had some sensors that allowed you to detect the various RF frequencies that drones use. It also had directional antennas that allowed you to narrow in on the drone. There was an LED strength indicator that would give you an idea how close it was to you.
There is more that other companies were doing regarding electronic detection, disabling, and destruction, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. Suffice it to say it's not that hard of a problem and it it actively being addressed.
Now if someone would just pair that with a 30mm autocannon, proximity fused ammo and stick it on a pickup, oh, wait, what are those crazy Aussies up to?
High precision weapon platform weighing less than 400 kg
Fully stabilised for on-the-move operation
Echodyne ultra-low size, weight, and power (SWaP) 4D targeting radar with active beamsteering ESA
4-axis sighting system with sensor unit that moves independently of the gun in both elevation and azimuth
Exquisite pointing technology for extreme accuracy
Bushmaster M230LF 30 x 113mm cannon
Lightweight 30 mm Proximity Sensing Ammunition with radio frequency proximity-fuzed, high explosive, fragmentation round
Wind sensor.
Oerlikon is doing something similar, but they're putting it on an APC chassis.
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Can the radar be jammed?? Can primitive artillery take it out??Lol. You should stick to pushing the ineffective Covid vaccine and repeated boosters. That seemed to be your knowledge speciality
A little publicized development on the modern battlefield is the deployment of armored Walls of Sound to play dramatic music while the other super weapons drive around looking badass...
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
The biggest advantage drones produce is their scouting function. A relatively tiny drone equipped with a camera can locate positions and send back its GPS coordinates. That ability combined with GPS guided artillery makes the battlefield a very sketchy place to be.
It's difficult to get any truly reliable information about the technology that's being used by Russia. But it's been reported several times that Russia has developed the ability to jam the guidance systems of many types of high tech munitions. I would assume that if Russia has that ability, all first world militaries also have it or soon will.
It makes me believe that any future large battles will largely be decided by which side has the best ability to negate the opponent's weapons guidance abilities.
It also makes me believe that governments will need to start thinking very hard about whether they want to get involved with making war. If the enemy has the ability to put a 500 lb warhead in your personal toilet, you might want to sleep on it before you stir up some schitt with them.
It also makes me believe that governments will need to start thinking very hard about whether they want to get involved with making war. If the enemy has the ability to put a 500 lb warhead in your personal toilet, you might want to sleep on it before you stir up some schitt with them.
Maybe that's a good thing? I guess it depends.
They’ll just build a better toilet.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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