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https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-pilot-among-victims-in-half-moon-bay-plane-crash-source-says

Oakland pilot killed in Half Moon Bay plane crash ID'd by source, 3 others were onboard
By Jesse Gary and KTVU StaffPublished January 16, 2024 8:55AMHalf Moon BayKTVU FOX 2

4 onboard during deadly plane crash in Half Moon Bay
We are learning new information about Sundays deadly plane crash in Half Moon Bay. The NTSB now says there were four people onboard when the plane went down. We have learned the names of two of the victims.

OAKLAND, Calif. - Federal investigators are still trying to determine why a small plane crashed into the ocean off the San Mateo County coastline over the weekend.

National Transportation Safety Board now says there were four people onboard the plane when it went down.

One of the victims killed was a pilot from Oakland, according to a source. The pilot of the plane was identified as Lochie Ferrier.

The source said Ferrier was known in the "experimental aircraft" community. He worked for Beta Technologies, a Vermont-based electronic aerospace company, according to his LinkedIn profile. Social media also shows he worked as a pilot for East Bay-based Magpie Aviation.

The San Mateo County Coroner on Tuesday identified a woman killed onboard as, Emma Willmer-Shiles of San Francisco. The other victims, whose names have not been released, are unaccounted for.

Officials said the weather is making it difficult to find the victims and more of the wreckage. NTSB officials said their investigators are continuing their search for debris, but the rough seas are hindering those efforts.

Sources tell KTVU one of two people killed in a deadly plane crash off the coast of Half Moon Bay on Sunday was a pilot from Oakland.

"There may still be pieces of the aircraft that is floating or slightly submerged and recovery of that would help determine what went wrong," said Professor Ken Gray, a small aircraft pilot.

Gray said the other passengers may be with the pilot or the aircraft itself. "Or they may have been flung free of the debris," he said.

Although officials have not disclosed the owner of the downed Cozy Mark IV — a four-seat light aircraft that can be built from a kit — a source said that it belonged to Ferrier.

The single-engine electric plane crashed near Moss Beach shortly after takeoff on Sunday.


The crash was reported shortly after 7 p.m. by a 911 caller who observed the plane in distress, descending toward the water near Half Moon Bay, said Sgt. Philip Hallworth of the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office.

"They heard the engine sputter, and they kept eyes on the plane until they lost sight of it, just over the horizon. That prompted a search and rescue by the sheriff's office and coast guard," said Hallworth.

On Sunday, the U.S. Coast Guard sent out a diver and the sheriff’s office deployed a drone to search for the downed plane. That night, wreckage from the plane was found near Ross Cove.

The Coast Guard said a helicopter and boat crew looked in a 28-square mile area for nearly 6 hours for victims before calling off the search around mid-morning Monday.

Hours later, a woman’s body was spotted floating in the water by the crew of a commercial fishing boat, the sheriff’s office said in a statement.

The San Mateo County Coroner’s Office believes she was on the plane because of where she was found.

The tide had pushed part of the wreckage onto the shore near the cove, according to Hallworth.

SEE ALSO: Bay Area man among victims killed in Arizona hot air balloon crash

"We’ve been able to recover a good deal of it," Hallworth said. "What we think is the fuselage we physically cannot bring up, so that’s actually still on the beach."

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The single-engine electric plane

"They heard the engine sputter,

"What we think is the fuselage we physically cannot bring up, so that’s actually still on the beach."


What kind of moron writes stuff like this? Don't they even read what they write? Journalism is dead.


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Apparently, the single best thing you can do to survive your time in aviation is no stay the hell out of experimental and ultra lights.


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Interesting. Onlookers reported hearing the engine sputter. That makes no sense to me for an electric motor? Has anyone here been around one of these electric aircraft?

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Edited to add the glide slope on that craft looks like it would be worse than an MU-2. Battery weight and four passengers on board. I could be wrong.

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Why would anyone Experiment with aircraft crashes?



We've pretty much known how that goes for 100 years.


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I know nothing about aircraft especially experimental aircraft, but I don't know why they don't glide with an engine failure or be designed where they would.

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I don't know why they call it an electric plane. The battery on the Tesla weighs 1,200 pounds, far more than this aircraft would weigh. I can see electric trains, in fact all the freight trains today are electric, but I can't see an electric airplane.

This guy built the same airplane and it burns gasoline.


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Originally Posted by Osky
Interesting. Onlookers reported hearing the engine sputter. That makes no sense to me for an electric motor? Has anyone here been around one of these electric aircraft?

Osky

Edited to add the glide slope on that craft looks like it would be worse than an MU-2. Battery weight and four passengers on board. I could be wrong.

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Maybe it makes a buzzing sound?


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Why would anyone Experiment with aircraft crashes?



We've pretty much known how that goes for 100 years.


Fall down, go boom,
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The way Gov't regulations are written, unless there is a huge market for a new airplane (Think commercial fleets like Delta), it isn't going to be profitable to go through the process of getting it approved. Most of the "experimental" aircraft have been in production for the last 30 years or more. You'd never get something like a Piper Cub approved these days.


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The photo in the OP is of a Cozy III, and was taken directly from the Wiki article about the Cozy group of aircraft. LINK

It is NOT an electric aircraft, despite what an ignorant reporter says.


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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I don't know why they call it an electric plane. The battery on the Tesla weighs 1,200 pounds, far more than this aircraft would weigh. I can see electric trains, in fact all the freight trains today are electric But I can't see an electric airplane.

But only after they create the electricity with onboard diesel powered generators.


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The pilot must have been looking for John Deutschendorf's spirit animal.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Apparently, the single best thing you can do to survive your time in aviation is no stay the hell out of experimental and ultra lights.

Or a Boeing 737 max.



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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Why would anyone Experiment with aircraft crashes?



We've pretty much known how that goes for 100 years.


Fall down, go boom,
meet St Pete.
The way Gov't regulations are written, unless there is a huge market for a new airplane (Think commercial fleets like Delta), it isn't going to be profitable to go through the process of getting it approved. Most of the "experimental" aircraft have been in production for the last 30 years or more. You'd never get something like a Piper Cub approved these days.


Right across your head.

Experimental aircraft crashes,
As opposed to standard aircraft crashes.


Who wants to (purposely) experimentally, crash?


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The pilot must have been looking for John Deutschendorf's spirit animal.

Ouch.



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Interesting video on the plane and how he built it. One question, where did he hide the pee bottle?
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Originally Posted by Longbob
I know nothing about aircraft especially experimental aircraft, but I don't know why they don't glide with an engine failure or be designed where they would.

An interesting aspect of crashes is the pilots giving in to dying. It seems common sense to maintain control of the aircraft and fly it until you can't, but many just give up. Some try to fly but stall too soon and nose in from 50-100ft. I don't know. Maybe it's the lack of practicing short and off field maneuvers. I'd like to think I could survive just about anything by getting to stall speed feet above whatever I hit, but who knows.

Not saying that was an issue here, but many fatal crashes could have been flown to the ground instead of impacting out of control.


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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I don't know why they call it an electric plane. The battery on the Tesla weighs 1,200 pounds, far more than this aircraft would weigh. I can see electric trains, in fact all the freight trains today are electric, but I can't see an electric airplane.

This guy built the same airplane and it burns gasoline.

The freight trains have electric traction motors, powered by DIESEL engines. Not "Clean,Green Energy".

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Yes, I am aware of that. Big diesel engines that power the generators.

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Canard type airplanes like this one are notorious for needing relatively high maneuvering speeds for flight surfaces to work appropriately, especially at landing. If you lose power in the air, from what I have read and talked to pilots, you would need substantial elevation to achieve flight speed to maneuver the plane dead stick before landing. Apparently, this did not happen in this case. Or, the pilot wasn't practiced in emergency dead stick control of this type of plane? I guess we'll never know exactly what happened unless one of the passengers can relate the events accurately.


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