Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
PS With slugs, terminal ballistics on the shorty shells are about the same as low recoiling 2 3/4" shells, and zip through the full length of two gel blocks with ease, but you can pack significantly more in the mag.
Not sure, but they are growing in popularity, and if this trend of designing guns around them continues, the price for shells will only come down as manufacturers step up production.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
Not sure, but they are growing in popularity, and if this trend of designing guns around them continues, the price for shells will only come down as manufacturers step up production.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to keep ammunition around that won't work in the vast majority firearms today.
Its a range novelty.
No, it serves a very specific purpose. It's loaded and kept under the bed. If someone(s) breaks into your home you'll have maximum opportunities to stop them. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
...But I guess to be rounding the corner on 60k posts here, a guy needs to comment on anything and everything...carry on.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to keep ammunition around that won't work in the vast majority firearms today.
Its a range novelty.
No, it serves a very specific purpose. It's loaded and kept under the bed. If someone(s) breaks into your home you'll have maximum opportunities to stop them. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
...But I guess to be rounding the corner on 60k posts here, a guy needs to comment on anything and everything...carry on.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
To send people in ban states to jail because their previously legal firearms now hold too many rounds.
(that and for people who don't want to hurt their girly hands shooting their Shockwave)
Ignorance of the law is no excuse....nor is plain ignorance. How many times do you expect to have a home gun inspection? And what if this firearm is put in place for a girl to utilize? Carry on.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
But you dont have to precisely aim a shotgun just point general direction
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The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
Weak sauce answer. Against multiple charging attackers I'd trust my daughters life behind a 12 gauge pump before an AR. Facts.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
But you dont have to precisely aim a shotgun just point general direction
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to keep ammunition around that won't work in the vast majority firearms today.
Its a range novelty.
No, it serves a very specific purpose. It's loaded and kept under the bed. If someone(s) breaks into your home you'll have maximum opportunities to stop them. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
...But I guess to be rounding the corner on 60k posts here, a guy needs to comment on anything and everything...carry on.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
But you dont have to precisely aim a shotgun just point general direction
How much spread occurs with your selected load in 30 feet?
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
Weak sauce answer. Against multiple charging attackers I'd trust my daughters life behind a 12 gauge pump before an AR. Facts.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not. Either way, that was pretty funny.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
But you dont have to precisely aim a shotgun just point general direction
I have one of these for home defence, the reason I chose this is because it holds 25 rounds of minis and my wife can handle it, or 15 2 3/4 I would rather have the 10 extra rounds. I read somewhere that the minis are 75% the power of a 2 3/4 shell.
I have one of these for home defence, the reason I chose this is because it holds 25 rounds of minis and my wife can handle it, or 15 2 3/4 I would rather have the 10 extra rounds. I read somewhere that the minis are 75% the power of a 2 3/4 shell.
Some of you fellas understand shotgun exterior ballistics, some don’t. Some understand the significance of fit, some don’t. Some of you even grasp that gauge is not all that important. To those who grasp the fundamentals I offer minor condolences to the bad boys’ family. To the rest, well, best of luck!
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
My 590A1L has a 9 round tube. That's if I'm dumb enough to grab the shotgun for home defense lol
What if it's for another family member who may be home alone that isn't so proficient at handgun self-defense?
Someone set said family member up for failure. Also, if you have enough room to swing that shotgun, you have enough room to swing a 16" AR.
Weak sauce answer. Against multiple charging attackers I'd trust my daughters life behind a 12 gauge pump before an AR. Facts.
I wouldnt prefer a 12 gauge over an AR for any child. My daughter can use and shoot any of our AR's with great precision. She does well with a shotgun, but almost all children and a hell of alot of adults have a flinch behind a shotgun. Before you argue, load a 12 guage for your child and after they have shot if a few times, pretend to load it and hand it to them. Most likely a huge flinch. AR's have next to zero recoil
Then lose the handling characteristics of an 18" barrel pump shotgun.
Give me a scenario that having an extra 6" on the end of your shorty shotgun would cause you to not be able to effectively use that tool for protection? Do you have thick brush and tree growth in your home lol?
Some of you fellas understand shotgun exterior ballistics, some don’t. Some understand the significance of fit, some don’t. Some of you even grasp that gauge is not all that important. To those who grasp the fundamentals I offer minor condolences to the bad boys’ family. To the rest, well, best of luck!
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
I haven't actually shot any myself, but I was thinking I might pick up a box of the birdshot variety, as a snake blaster load for the H&R 12ga single-shot that lives near the back door.
They might not be a bad balance of power/recoil in one of those shorty stockless Shockwave type shotguns, IF they cycle 100%.
Since we're sorta talking about extremes, does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo? 18 pellets of 00 Buck, or 54 pellets of 4 Buck, per shot. Holy smokes, That's like a shoulder-fired claymore mine.
If you’ve a good enough supply of the shells I think it’s neat.
If you want to argue about practicality then why have anything besides a .223, .308, or 9mm lol
Just a thought here. Let's say you got a 30 round mag on your .223 and are shooting 55 gr. bullets, which seems to be very popular.
My Mossburg holds 8 2 3/4" shotshells and each of them holds 9 00 buckshot. 8 times 9 equals 72 and each of those 72 buckshot is .33 caliber and weighs approx. 53 gr. That's why I choose the shotgun over the above example.
Just my .02
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Since we're sorta talking about extremes, does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo? 18 pellets of 00 Buck, or 54 pellets of 4 Buck, per shot. Holy smokes, That's like a shoulder-fired claymore mine.
My Mossburg holds 8 2 3/4" shotshells and each of them holds 9 00 buckshot. 8 times 9 equals 72 and each of those 72 buckshot is .33 caliber and weighs approx. 53 gr. That's why I choose the shotgun over the above example.
Just my .02
The shotgun's multiple projectile, per round, factor is worthy of appreciation. That's a different discussion, however, from a discussion of magazine capacity.
Since we're sorta talking about extremes, does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo? 18 pellets of 00 Buck, or 54 pellets of 4 Buck, per shot. Holy smokes, That's like a shoulder-fired claymore mine.
LOL. Yep.
3" is all I want and dont want many of them.
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Since we're sorta talking about extremes, does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo? 18 pellets of 00 Buck, or 54 pellets of 4 Buck, per shot. Holy smokes, That's like a shoulder-fired claymore mine.
LOL. Yep.
3" is all I want and dont want many of them.
I hear ya. I'm shooting 2 3/4" 00 buckshot for the serious defensive load. The Hornady Critical Defense load. 8 pellets at 1600 fps in the Versatite cup/wad. It holds a nice tight pattern. About 7" at 20 yards, from an 18" cylinder bore.
My Mossburg holds 8 2 3/4" shotshells and each of them holds 9 00 buckshot. 8 times 9 equals 72 and each of those 72 buckshot is .33 caliber and weighs approx. 53 gr. That's why I choose the shotgun over the above example.
Just my .02
The shotgun's multiple projectile, per round, factor is worthy of appreciation. That's a different discussion, however, from a discussion of magazine capacity.
I'll agree to a point, but what's the point of using a shotgun over a rifle in the first place. Multiple projectiles in a single shot. The fact still remains that you have more lethal projectiles going down range with the above mentioned shotgun, than you do with the 30 round magazine.
If I'm in a situation where I need to use either, I prefer the most down range projectiles possible. Let's make it clear, I'm talking about let's say 50 yds or closer shooting.
That's my opinion..... take it and a couple bucks and you can get a cup of coffee, but dont forget the couple bucks!
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Six pellets of 00 buck is pretty good. Especially if the recoil is significantly reduced. I have an old 870 that was a TX Department of Corrections riot gun with a rack/inventory number but I’ve mostly went to AR’s, PCC’s, and other long guns for house guns.
I had a Benelli M4 but sold it. I liked the fast follow up shots but didn’t like the weight or handling and didn’t have a use for it other than just to have. A gas gun obviously wouldn’t cycle those shells but I can’t see a downside to more shells and faster follow up shots from a pump gun. Six 00 pellets to center mass compared to nine is a worthwhile tradeoff for more shells and faster follow up shots IMO.
For purposes of just messing with everyone's mind...
I'm not now, nor have I ever been much of a fan of 00 Buck.
00 Buck = avg. 32 caliber
#4 Buck = avg. 24 caliber
Most people use the 2 3/4" 00 Buck for defense shotguns. They have 9 pellets in them usually. The 3" 00 Buck loads have 15 pellets.
I like and use #4 Buck. The Federal Mini #4 Buck has 15 pellets. A standard for 2 3/4" is 27 pellets, and for 3" shells... 41 pellets.
For home defense where I'd need a shotgun, I don't need or want 00 Buck. I prefer the many more pellets that come in #4 Buck loads.... If I need longer range where 00 Buck is better, I'm probably running a rifle. But up close, I don't need anything but 4 Buck.
The 1 3/4 shells are far from new. Aguila has offered them for quite some time., & I don't know or remember what their reason or intended use was.
I went out of state to shoot a USPSA match some 18-20 years ago & the a a combat shotgun side match. They wanted me to shoot in it but I didn't have a gun. They got me one. It came with home made shorties at the time, & it wasn't long that Aguila came out with them(1998). A lot of fun shooting a 10 target match knowing there were 14 or 15 shells in the gun. You could let it all hang out.
Was comp shooting the intention? Far from the best for HD, otoh, far from the worst..
For purposes of just messing with everyone's mind...
I'm not now, nor have I ever been much of a fan of 00 Buck.
00 Buck = avg. 32 caliber
#4 Buck = avg. 24 caliber
Most people use the 2 3/4" 00 Buck for defense shotguns. They have 9 pellets in them usually. The 3" 00 Buck loads have 15 pellets.
I like and use #4 Buck. The Federal Mini #4 Buck has 15 pellets. A standard for 2 3/4" is 27 pellets, and for 3" shells... 41 pellets.
For home defense where I'd need a shotgun, I don't need or want 00 Buck. I prefer the many more pellets that come in #4 Buck loads.... If I need longer range where 00 Buck is better, I'm probably running a rifle. But up close, I don't need anything but 4 Buck.
Flame away.
I like #4 buck too. Even more if it’s offered in mini shells and I were going that route. Similar to sometimes going a shot size smaller in a sub gauge in order to keep the pellet count up.
A trained and practiced shooter w/ a handgun can solve more problems more efficiently. Buying a new gun/ammo does not make you more efficient. A well taught F on F course based on civilian self/home defense will begin the path to reality based thinking about this subject.
Or, buy a new blaster and theorize on the internet.
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Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
Then lose the handling characteristics of an 18" barrel pump shotgun.
My 18 inch 870 carries 8 rounds in the gun. 2-/4 Federal LE132 8 pellet 00 buck at 20 yards I get an 8 inch pattern. how am i handicapped with that gun compared to one of the mini shell guns?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Why would you use a mini shell for self defense?
Tain't much different than a 2 3/4".
1" difference = less recoil and better performance at close range is what I heard.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Why would you use a mini shell for self defense?
Tain't much different than a 2 3/4".
1" difference = less recoil and better performance at close range is what I heard.
You sound like you work for Hornady's marketing dept.
For purposes of just messing with everyone's mind...
I'm not now, nor have I ever been much of a fan of 00 Buck.
00 Buck = avg. 32 caliber
#4 Buck = avg. 24 caliber
Most people use the 2 3/4" 00 Buck for defense shotguns. They have 9 pellets in them usually. The 3" 00 Buck loads have 15 pellets.
I like and use #4 Buck. The Federal Mini #4 Buck has 15 pellets. A standard for 2 3/4" is 27 pellets, and for 3" shells... 41 pellets.
For home defense where I'd need a shotgun, I don't need or want 00 Buck. I prefer the many more pellets that come in #4 Buck loads.... If I need longer range where 00 Buck is better, I'm probably running a rifle. But up close, I don't need anything but 4 Buck.
Flame away.
Back in the day when I was serving as an embassy guard, we carried 4 Buck in our shotguns. It's a good load for interior distances.
I bought one about 3 weeks ago, mine has a 20” barrel hold 13+1 of shorty’s and screw in chokes and optic ready. When I have time I’ll play with it.
Cool. Let us know. I ordered the one I depicted in the opening post due to the handier 18.5" barrel. Nine seems like a lot of rounds for a shorty like that loaded with Federal No. 4 buck.
What the hell are you guys doing that takes 25 mini shells to kill? If it takes that many rounds, you must work in an urban police department. Fact - If you don’t hit it in the first shot or two, you aren’t going to with 23 more.
All this is just as Jim said, a slick marketing campaign, and you fell for it!
Actually 25 mini shells come along handy, when you are hunting squirrels and they are on the move tapping from tree to tree. And I would rather carry them in the magazine ready to go than in a box or a pouch hanging off me. I did not buy it for home defence it is only after the fact that I realised that my wife could handle it and would make for a better option for home defence.
RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to keep ammunition around that won't work in the vast majority firearms today.
Its a range novelty.
No, it serves a very specific purpose. It's loaded and kept under the bed. If someone(s) breaks into your home you'll have maximum opportunities to stop them. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
...But I guess to be rounding the corner on 60k posts here, a guy needs to comment on anything and everything...carry on.
Not sure whats going to be left after 8 rounds of 2 3/4 inch 00 buck to worry about. "Not sure what's so hard to understand"
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What the hell are you guys doing that takes 25 mini shells to kill? If it takes that many rounds, you must work in an urban police department. Fact - If you don’t hit it in the first shot or two, you aren’t going to with 23 more.
All this is just as Jim said, a slick marketing campaign, and you fell for it!
By that argument, all we really need is a flintlock rifle. What do you need two rounds for?? In fact, what do you need rifling for? A smooth bore is more than accurate enough for 95% of hunting.
...does anybody use the 12ga 3 1/2" buckshot ammo?
Yes that's my coyote hunting load. In my SBE2 I can still get 5-7 pellets on a paper plate at 55-60 yards.
And the best part is even in the worst of the ammo shortages, it was always in stock! I wonder why?
Originally Posted by scottryan
Ignorance of the law is no excuse....
So you're agreeing with me. How often do I expect home gun inspections? Any time a gun is used and the police get involved. I have a friend who felt the same way you seem to, so he had magazines and rifles he shouldn't have for where he was living at the time. One little innocuous non event ended up leading to him doing almost 5 years in jail, losing his job, his home and his ability to ever own a firearms again.
You're just one fender bender or traffic stop away from ruining your life.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
I had a 590S for a bit, and the factory part that lets it accept those shorties seem very similar to the better aftermarket ones. Appears to me it might fall or wear out in time too. Not sure how that might affect function with standards. I futzed with it a bit, installed a rail and metal safety, shot a few rounds of clays, and bought a turkey choke and one or two others. Ultimately, I decided it was too heavy for a sporting piece, and that a more conventional short-barreled gun was a better fit for me. Never bought any short shells as they’re too expensive for what they are and the selection of standard 2 3/4” is almost limitless. Anyway, it’s gone to a new home, and I have a vintage Ithaca 37 Super Deluxe Deerslayer in its place.
I think the 500-590-88 guns are solid guns, just not very appealing.
Adapters are fine for messing around at the range, but are you going to trust your life to a friggin' wad of rubber pushed up the action of your shotgun? I bought one, and it fell out under recoil.
Why would you use a mini shell for self defense?
Tain't much different than a 2 3/4".
1" difference = less recoil and better performance at close range is what I heard.
Less recoil is a given with light loads, but there are plenty of those in 2 3/4”, at better prices. IIRC Paul Harrell tested some minis and they weren’t very impressive as I recall.
Less recoil is a given with light loads, but there are plenty of those in 2 3/4”, at better prices. IIRC Paul Harrell tested some minis and they weren’t very impressive as I recall.
The advantage of a purpose built pump gun in shorty shells is obvious. Capacity. That's a drawback for pump guns with tubular magazines, which is why so much emphasis is placed on fast reloading under fire. Increase capacity, and decrease the urgency for fast reload under fire training.
Thats why there is an AR in every vehicle and every building.
And mossberg is there too, why I have not clue, I'd rather have an extend 870. The 590 is so not smooth its unbelievable how clunky.. is what it is. But its there anyway but would always grab the AR unless the pigs are out... then that first round of buck usually takes out 2-4 pigs on the first shot.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
What the hell are you guys doing that takes 25 mini shells to kill? If it takes that many rounds, you must work in an urban police department. Fact - If you don’t hit it in the first shot or two, you aren’t going to with 23 more.
All this is just as Jim said, a slick marketing campaign, and you fell for it!
By that argument, all we really need is a flintlock rifle. What do you need two rounds for?? In fact, what do you need rifling for? A smooth bore is more than accurate enough for 95% of hunting.
Nothing like not paying attention to how current attacks go. Its more like a sounder of pigs than a single pig to deal with these days. I used to never carry a spare mag for the 1911. Then carried mags. Then went to a Glock where with 2 mags and the gun I have almost 50 rounds give or take.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I've watched quite a few reviewers of the 590S put it through its paces, and none of them have been able to make it jam with the mini-shells. If there was a hint of such an issue, I assure you that I would have hard passed on it.
I’ve got a few old single-shot 12 ga’s that are no fun to shoot with regular shells. They’re not bad with the mini shells.
Not convinced, at this point, that they’re a “reliable” alternative in pumps for self-defense/etc. However, for making a single-shot or double-barrel into a comfortable “snake gun”, I like ‘em alright.
I've watched quite a few reviewers of the 590S put it through its paces, and none of them have been able to make it jam with the mini-shells. If there was a hint of such an issue, I assure you that I would have hard passed on it.
Good to hear that they’ve got it figured out. Not enough “utility” to me, to go spend $500 on another pump shotgun, but hope you enjoy it!
Got it today. Whoever here said that the part that made it compatible with shorty shells was rubber was right. It's a rubber bumper. Soft rubber, too. I can definitely see that wearing out pretty fast. Not happy. It seems solidly in place, unlike that adapter that's available that's just stuffed into the receiver, but it doesn't seem like a particularly durable piece. I could be wrong about that, though. Folks thought Glocks would wear out fast, too, when they first came out.
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