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A drone over your property is trespassing.
You have the right to self-help in evicting that trespasser. You'd like to think, but that isn't necessarily true. Then the laws need to catch up to reality. I tend to agree, but I sure as hell won't shoot one down and risk prison and loss of firearms rights at this moment. Sometimes I forget that others don't live in freedom. Where is it legal to shoot down aircraft? Anywhere round here, if it's violatin the law.
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A drone over your property is trespassing.
You have the right to self-help in evicting that trespasser. You'd like to think, but that isn't necessarily true. Then the laws need to catch up to reality. I tend to agree, but I sure as hell won't shoot one down and risk prison and loss of firearms rights at this moment. Sometimes I forget that others don't live in freedom. Where is it legal to shoot down aircraft? Anywhere round here, if it's violatin the law. Most cities/towns have laws/ordinances prohibiting discharging a firearm within city limits.
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A drone over your property is trespassing.
You have the right to self-help in evicting that trespasser. You'd like to think, but that isn't necessarily true. Then the laws need to catch up to reality. I tend to agree, but I sure as hell won't shoot one down and risk prison and loss of firearms rights at this moment. Sometimes I forget that others don't live in freedom. Where is it legal to shoot down aircraft? Anywhere round here, if it's violatin the law. Doubtful.
"Full time night woman? I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads."
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A drone over your property is trespassing.
You have the right to self-help in evicting that trespasser. You'd like to think, but that isn't necessarily true. Then the laws need to catch up to reality. I tend to agree, but I sure as hell won't shoot one down and risk prison and loss of firearms rights at this moment. Sometimes I forget that others don't live in freedom. Where is it legal to shoot down aircraft? In his head.
"Full time night woman? I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads."
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"Full time night woman? I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads."
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"Full time night woman? I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads."
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That's not even close to being funny.
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Interesting. seems a local jurisdiction could, should it choose to, make certain rules about them contraptions which would not be preempted by Fed rules.( my bold) 6
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ADDRESSING UAS THAT WOULD
LIKELY NOT BE SUBJECT TO FIELD OR CONFLICT PREEMPTION9
Laws aimed at objectives other than aviation safety or airspace efficiency that do not impair
the reasonable use by UAS of the airspace.
o Such laws could include those concerning land use or zoning; harassment of
individuals or groups; privacy; voyeurism; trespass on property; the exercise of other
police powers; reckless endangerment; emergency medical services; search and
rescue; law enforcement use of facial recognition; delivery of prison contraband;
wildfire suppression;10 criminal mischief; transfer or delivery of controlled
substances; taking photographs or videos with respect to particular facilities (e.g.,
water treatment facilities; prisons; oil refineries; chemical facilities; railroad facilities;
amusement parks; energy production, transmission, and distribution facilities; and
any system or asset described by title 42 of the United States Code, § 5195c(e));
requirements for police to obtain a warrant prior to using a UAS for surveillance;
protection of wildlife; using UAS for hunting or fishing, or to interfere with or harass
an individual who is hunting or fishing; and law enforcement operations. I may have to visit our county supervisors and see what they think about doing so.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Interesting. seems a local jurisdiction could, should it choose to, make certain rules about them contraptions which would not be preempted by Fed rules.( my bold) 6
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ADDRESSING UAS THAT WOULD
LIKELY NOT BE SUBJECT TO FIELD OR CONFLICT PREEMPTION9
Laws aimed at objectives other than aviation safety or airspace efficiency that do not impair
the reasonable use by UAS of the airspace.
o Such laws could include those concerning land use or zoning; harassment of
individuals or groups; privacy; voyeurism; trespass on property; the exercise of other
police powers; reckless endangerment; emergency medical services; search and
rescue; law enforcement use of facial recognition; delivery of prison contraband;
wildfire suppression;10 criminal mischief; transfer or delivery of controlled
substances; taking photographs or videos with respect to particular facilities (e.g.,
water treatment facilities; prisons; oil refineries; chemical facilities; railroad facilities;
amusement parks; energy production, transmission, and distribution facilities; and
any system or asset described by title 42 of the United States Code, § 5195c(e));
requirements for police to obtain a warrant prior to using a UAS for surveillance;
protection of wildlife; using UAS for hunting or fishing, or to interfere with or harass
an individual who is hunting or fishing; and law enforcement operations. I may have to visit our county supervisors and see what they think about doing so. Yup, certain laws can be passed but simply flying over private property at an altitude of 400ft or 400ft greater than a building within 400ft is pre-empted by the FAA. I'd like to see rules in all 50 states to prevent harassment of hunters.
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interesting again, but I have to wonder, do the drone videos posted here, linked from youtube, constitute "recreational" use or do they fall under Part 107? https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Interesting. seems a local jurisdiction could, should it choose to, make certain rules about them contraptions which would not be preempted by Fed rules.( my bold) 6
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ADDRESSING UAS THAT WOULD
LIKELY NOT BE SUBJECT TO FIELD OR CONFLICT PREEMPTION9
Laws aimed at objectives other than aviation safety or airspace efficiency that do not impair
the reasonable use by UAS of the airspace.
o Such laws could include those concerning land use or zoning; harassment of
individuals or groups; privacy; voyeurism; trespass on property; the exercise of other
police powers; reckless endangerment; emergency medical services; search and
rescue; law enforcement use of facial recognition; delivery of prison contraband;
wildfire suppression;10 criminal mischief; transfer or delivery of controlled
substances; taking photographs or videos with respect to particular facilities (e.g.,
water treatment facilities; prisons; oil refineries; chemical facilities; railroad facilities;
amusement parks; energy production, transmission, and distribution facilities; and
any system or asset described by title 42 of the United States Code, § 5195c(e));
requirements for police to obtain a warrant prior to using a UAS for surveillance;
protection of wildlife; using UAS for hunting or fishing, or to interfere with or harass
an individual who is hunting or fishing; and law enforcement operations. I may have to visit our county supervisors and see what they think about doing so. Yup, certain laws can be passed but simply flying over private property at an altitude of 400ft or 400ft greater than a building within 400ft is pre-empted by the FAA. did you watch any of the videos? if so, do you think the operators were "simply flying" or was there more involved???
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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I'm not sure if YouTube videos constitute as a business unless the channel is incorporated and paying him a salary. Could be a gray area.
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Interesting. seems a local jurisdiction could, should it choose to, make certain rules about them contraptions which would not be preempted by Fed rules.( my bold) 6
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ADDRESSING UAS THAT WOULD
LIKELY NOT BE SUBJECT TO FIELD OR CONFLICT PREEMPTION9
Laws aimed at objectives other than aviation safety or airspace efficiency that do not impair
the reasonable use by UAS of the airspace.
o Such laws could include those concerning land use or zoning; harassment of
individuals or groups; privacy; voyeurism; trespass on property; the exercise of other
police powers; reckless endangerment; emergency medical services; search and
rescue; law enforcement use of facial recognition; delivery of prison contraband;
wildfire suppression;10 criminal mischief; transfer or delivery of controlled
substances; taking photographs or videos with respect to particular facilities (e.g.,
water treatment facilities; prisons; oil refineries; chemical facilities; railroad facilities;
amusement parks; energy production, transmission, and distribution facilities; and
any system or asset described by title 42 of the United States Code, § 5195c(e));
requirements for police to obtain a warrant prior to using a UAS for surveillance;
protection of wildlife; using UAS for hunting or fishing, or to interfere with or harass
an individual who is hunting or fishing; and law enforcement operations. I may have to visit our county supervisors and see what they think about doing so. Yup, certain laws can be passed but simply flying over private property at an altitude of 400ft or 400ft greater than a building within 400ft is pre-empted by the FAA. did you watch any of the videos? if so, do you think the operators were "simply flying" or was there more involved??? I wasn't speaking about the videos, just making a general statement about legality.
"Full time night woman? I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads."
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A drone over your property is trespassing.
You have the right to self-help in evicting that trespasser. You'd like to think, but that isn't necessarily true. Then the laws need to catch up to reality. I tend to agree, but I sure as hell won't shoot one down and risk prison and loss of firearms rights at this moment. Sometimes I forget that others don't live in freedom. Where is it legal to shoot down aircraft? Anywhere round here, if it's violatin the law. Doubtful. Some people just ain't ready for freedom.
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Some people just ain't ready for freedom. The freedom to shoot down aircraft in FAA-regulated airspace?
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Some people just ain't ready for freedom. The freedom to shoot down aircraft in FAA-regulated airspace? Seems like the issue is just too complicated for your capacities.
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I'm not sure if YouTube videos constitute as a business unless the channel is incorporated and paying him a salary. Could be a gray area. regardless of the commercial implications, monetization of their videos and such, if you watched the videos did you see anything that a reasonable person might think rose to the level of " harassment of individuals or groups" or perhaps "reckless endangerment;" Even without specific local laws in place regarding those activities by drones, one might think already established civil codes (State and local) would cover some of the activity I saw on just the first video. I had/have no interest in watching the others, especially if views put $$$ in the pockets of the operators.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Elon Musk was interviewed and made this comment.
‘You could make a swarm of assassin drones for very little money. By just taking the face I.D. chip that’s used in cell phones, and having a small explosive charge and a standard drone, and just have it do a grid sweep of the building until they find the person they’re looking for, ram into them and explode. You could do that right now... No new technology is needed.’
At what point does the defense of our lives over ride flying a drone close to us?
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Interesting. seems a local jurisdiction could, should it choose to, make certain rules about them contraptions which would not be preempted by Fed rules.( my bold) 6
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ADDRESSING UAS THAT WOULD
LIKELY NOT BE SUBJECT TO FIELD OR CONFLICT PREEMPTION9
Laws aimed at objectives other than aviation safety or airspace efficiency that do not impair
the reasonable use by UAS of the airspace.
o Such laws could include those concerning land use or zoning; harassment of
individuals or groups; privacy; voyeurism; trespass on property; the exercise of other
police powers; reckless endangerment; emergency medical services; search and
rescue; law enforcement use of facial recognition; delivery of prison contraband;
wildfire suppression;10 criminal mischief; transfer or delivery of controlled
substances; taking photographs or videos with respect to particular facilities (e.g.,
water treatment facilities; prisons; oil refineries; chemical facilities; railroad facilities;
amusement parks; energy production, transmission, and distribution facilities; and
any system or asset described by title 42 of the United States Code, § 5195c(e));
requirements for police to obtain a warrant prior to using a UAS for surveillance;
protection of wildlife; using UAS for hunting or fishing, or to interfere with or harass
an individual who is hunting or fishing; and law enforcement operations. I may have to visit our county supervisors and see what they think about doing so. Yup, certain laws can be passed but simply flying over private property at an altitude of 400ft or 400ft greater than a building within 400ft is pre-empted by the FAA. did you watch any of the videos? if so, do you think the operators were "simply flying" or was there more involved??? I wasn't speaking about the videos, just making a general statement about legality. the thread is sort of about the videos, and the activities of the operators taking them. I'm pretty sure if the operator/s had just done some flyover videos of the homeless and such, there would be little discussion of taking measures against them.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Some people just ain't ready for freedom. The freedom to shoot down aircraft in FAA-regulated airspace? Seems like the issue is just too complicated for your capacities. Please, share how shooting anything you deem to be illegal is “freedom”.
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