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Do any of you have one yet?Ive seen one for sale savage hog rifle.
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Only thing to add is that I would like to try one, but my spidey sense it might not be around long. The 350 has a strong foothold.
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I've yet to see one actually in the wild....ammo, either.
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My LGS has had the ammo but no rifles as yet. It won’t hurt the 350 sales nearly as much as it will the 450, this according to a friend who runs a large operation.
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AAAARRRRgghhh, the BS around this is killing me!!! I just watched Mellissa Bachman hunting in Alberta with the 400 Legend and touting what a fabulous cartridge this is.
I live and hunt in lower MI where we have the 1.8" straightwall rule. I use the 45 Raptor and 450 Bushmaster. Yes they kill short-range deer effectively, but they are no where as effective in terms of drop, wind drift and sectional density as a modern bottleneck cartridge.
If I were to ask a group of hunters how they would like to base their hunting around the 401 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge, they would certainly chuckle it they even knew what that obsolete cartridge was. The 400 Legend is essentially an updated 401 Winchester Self-Loading: 200 grain bullet with a BC around .2 at 2250 fps. A quick ballistics calculation shows 12" of wind drift at 300 yards from a 5 mph cross wind!!! There is a reason the 401 died.
For those of us who MUST use these cartridges, they have been a Godsend vs a 12ga slug. I guess if Winchester was paying for my Alberta mule deer hunt I would use the 350, 400, or 401 for that matter. However, when you see me paying for my traveling hunts, you can almost always be sure I'm carrying a modern bottleneck design firing a bullet with a decent BC and good sectional density.
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AAAARRRRgghhh, the BS around this is killing me!!! I just watched Mellissa Bachman hunting in Alberta with the 400 Legend and touting what a fabulous cartridge this is.
I live and hunt in lower MI where we have the 1.8" straightwall rule. I use the 45 Raptor and 450 Bushmaster. Yes they kill short-range deer effectively, but they are no where as effective in terms of drop, wind drift and sectional density as a modern bottleneck cartridge.
If I were to ask a group of hunters how they would like to base their hunting around the 401 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge, they would certainly chuckle it they even knew what that obsolete cartridge was. The 400 Legend is essentially an updated 401 Winchester Self-Loading: 200 grain bullet with a BC around .2 at 2250 fps. A quick ballistics calculation shows 12" of wind drift at 300 yards from a 5 mph cross wind!!! There is a reason the 401 died.
For those of us who MUST use these cartridges, they have been a Godsend vs a 12ga slug. I guess if Winchester was paying for my Alberta mule deer hunt I would use the 350, 400, or 401 for that matter. However, when you see me paying for my traveling hunts, you can almost always be sure I'm carrying a modern bottleneck design firing a bullet with a decent BC and good sectional density. Sums it up pretty good .
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”.
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”. And I want one in 16”. Add an 8-9” suppressor and it gets long quick.
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I think it could be fun for cast bullets. If the 200g round flat nose cast bullets I make for my 10mms will feed in a howa mini 400 I'll have to get one. A hard cast powder coated flat nose in 40 cal could be fun for closer range stuff or pig hunting and cast bullets are cheap.
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”. And I want one in 16”. Add an 8-9” suppressor and it gets long quick. It's far easier to cut and thread for those that one a can than it is to grow 4 inches of barrel.
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AAAARRRRgghhh, the BS around this is killing me!!! I just watched Mellissa Bachman hunting in Alberta with the 400 Legend and touting what a fabulous cartridge this is.
I live and hunt in lower MI where we have the 1.8" straightwall rule. I use the 45 Raptor and 450 Bushmaster. Yes they kill short-range deer effectively, but they are no where as effective in terms of drop, wind drift and sectional density as a modern bottleneck cartridge.
If I were to ask a group of hunters how they would like to base their hunting around the 401 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge, they would certainly chuckle it they even knew what that obsolete cartridge was. The 400 Legend is essentially an updated 401 Winchester Self-Loading: 200 grain bullet with a BC around .2 at 2250 fps. A quick ballistics calculation shows 12" of wind drift at 300 yards from a 5 mph cross wind!!! There is a reason the 401 died.
For those of us who MUST use these cartridges, they have been a Godsend vs a 12ga slug. I guess if Winchester was paying for my Alberta mule deer hunt I would use the 350, 400, or 401 for that matter. However, when you see me paying for my traveling hunts, you can almost always be sure I'm carrying a modern bottleneck design firing a bullet with a decent BC and good sectional density. A little emotional over a cartridge, no?
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”. And I want one in 16”. Add an 8-9” suppressor and it gets long quick. As they say, it takes all kinds😛 Pretty sure both my Minis are 22”, and look good and handle well. I’m way too Fuddy to hang a can on a deer rifle.* Hodgdon data is taken in a 20”, but with the powders they use, a 16 shouldn’t lose much speed. My guess, based on the .350s and .450s they make, is you’ll get the one you want. I really want the Grendel anyway. *I’d make an exception and invest in one if I ever had long-term access to private property in a settled area
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”. And I want one in 16”. Add an 8-9” suppressor and it gets long quick. Ruger is touting a first quarter 2024 release of the 400 Legend. A 20" 'standard' version, and a 16" ranch rifle. Both in the Gen II.
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In a 10”-ish AR pistol config for night suppressed hog use might be worthwhile for me. Possibly a single shot for cartridge BO seasons in the south or visiting a straight wall only 3rd world state.
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Patiently waiting for the howa mini in stainless I hope that if (when) they make one it’s not a 16”. And I want one in 16”. Add an 8-9” suppressor and it gets long quick. Ruger is touting a first quarter 2024 release of the 400 Legend. A 20" 'standard' version, and a 16" ranch rifle. Both in the Gen II. I have a RAR Gen II Ranch Rifle in 400 on order. The original RAR Ranch rifle in 450 was much handier in the blind than the Bergara Ridge 450 w/20” Now add the suppressor and the 20” is way too long. I don’t know if I want to cut and thread the Bergara to 16-1/4” or move it on and find/build a nice rifle in 400 w/ 16”
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I’m too invested in the 350 to switch. Trying to get away from the recoil of a 12 gauge or 450. 400 has a pretty good thump on the back end. So far my 350 hasn’t let me down. If Ohio allowed bottleneck cartridges I still might use the 350. In the hills and forests that I hunt, I wouldn’t gain much with my 7x57, .243, or 30-06.
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I’m too invested in the 350 to switch. Trying to get away from the recoil of a 12 gauge or 450. 400 has a pretty good thump on the back end. So far my 350 hasn’t let me down. If Ohio allowed bottleneck cartridges I still might use the 350. In the hills and forests that I hunt, I wouldn’t gain much with my 7x57, .243, or 30-06.
Ron Interesting. Thought the 400 might be the sweet spot. What 400 load was thumping pretty good?
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215 grain Winchester Power Point. Noticeably more than the 165 grain Hornady FTX 350 load that I’ve been using lately. A friend’s son bought one and let me try it. I think it’s the only factory load available as of now.
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Seems like many models of 350s have brakes or threads, but most 400s don't. Strange.
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