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Surprised Tikka is not doing WMRs......anyone heard why?

Same here. I have the .17HMR T1x and just assumed the .22WMR was part of their catalog. Could be just pure economics of market size vs. manufacturing investment required. Or maybe other priorities.

Probably not a whole lot of interest in the 22WMR. But with that being said, it's weird that CZ makes the 457 in one, as does the Ruger RAR?? I know the T1x 22lr sells like hotcakes, so that is probably where they are focusing their efforts on.

The Ruger RAR is made in 22mag. They have 2 barrel lengths. Mine shoots really well with Hornady 30gr.

Yes, most major mfg do seem to offer models in WMR, no doubt sales are higher in 22LR, and perhaps in HMR.

One would think the WMR has enough demand to justify a model or two, given the fit the HMR barrels on their actions.

My guesstimate is that Tikka is selling every T1x 22 LR and 17HMR they can make right now. If that is the case it doesn't make economic sense to produce something that there is not as much demand for.

drover

I cannot disagree, but if they can increase mfg capacity........I look at all the chamberings they make in Centerfire now.....

It's nice to have choices, many Tikka users match accuracy of say CZ, etc. No doubt the WMR market is perhaps smaller. IDK the ammo sales of HMR vs WMR, but that might be interesting to know.

65BR: My Browning T-Bolt Varmint in 22 Magnum shoots very well indeed.
With todays "improved" 22 magnum ammunitions I have used this caliber a lot more in the last few years than I did during the early part of this century.
I would guesssurmise the 17 HMR ammunition "outsells" the 22 Magnum ammunition by at least 7 to 1!
Maybe as much as 10 or 15 to 1?
I also would be interested in the actual figgers.
Long live rimfires!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Those RAR's are great rifles. The one I had was very accurate, as are the couple that my buddies have. There's not a whole lot to not like about the Ruger rimfire. The magazine is a proven design, that is flush mount, the sights are good (if you get one with sights), and the scope mounting system is good. Triggers aren't too bad, but the action sounds like a zipper, when you run the bolt. I'm sure a Tikka T1x would be great, but when there are other manufactures out there producing good 22WMR's, why overthink it?? I'd just buy a RAR, CZ, or maybe a Browning T-bolt. I recently saw a beautiful, like new, maple stocked T-bolt the other day, for $700.00 that I almost bought, and I already have a good 22WMR.

I built a 22mag off a tikka t1x 17 hrm, used a shilen barrel for the build

VG - yeah, I actually emailed CCI to try getting some ballpark info on that market share/ratio, not asking for specifics, but no doubt just like the Creedmore, the 17 really has a following. Nothing against it, but I like the heavier bullets in the WMR, and if not mistaken, it seems from reports the 17 is bad in the wind. No doubt they are very accurate, albeit also VERY destructive with many ammo choices on say tree squirrels, even head shots. Not trying to do prairie dog damage on edible game. I do a fair share of field work with 22 LR but do have times where the WMR is preferred. Never heard of a bad shooting Browning, of any kind...was eyeing those T-bolts a long time, and the WMR looked very intriguing. I hear they can use a trigger job, and some may not like the magazines as much as say a Ruger, but other than that, very light, and accurate. The stock design works well.......should have picked up one or more of various ones when they were clearing them out a few years back and much lower prices than now. The CZ 457 looks interesting, and even in the Varmint model.

BSA, I have a nice shooting Predator RAR......trigger spring changed, quite sweet. Ruined many squirrels day. Yes, CZ's are good and others. The Tikka has nice ergos for me when I have handled.

Steve, that sounds interesting, it seems IIRC, the Shilen has a good reputation for rimfire barrels, would like to hear about your results.

I can understand folks liking the 17 for small groups, and we could only wish to enjoy the same Quality precision ammo, across the board by the mfg, which would give a boost to sales of new rifles as well. Many Good options, but not so many 'Great' options, consistently. Extreme spread seems to be a culprit, IDK why ammo mfg cannot tighten up the ES and SD so accuracy would be substantially improved especially as ranges near and exceed 100 yds. No doubt a few folks get great accuracy with say Hornady 30s, though I feel all else equal a 40 would be a good place to be in the WMR for a variety of applications.

A guy did extensive testing, results on rimfire central website, out to 200 yds, and the ES was quite shocking on the WMR. That said, many rifles will give close to MOA at 100 yds, and a few inches less drop than a LR.

Hows it shoot? Im interested in going down the same road.

Steve probably has the best suggestion, if you have to have the Tikka. I'll bet they shoot damn well with a Shilen barrel too. From what I've seen with the 22wmr, they can be damn accurate when you use the new pointy poly tipped bullets. My chucketer loves the Rem accutip. I remember the first time I tried that ammo, it shot a 3/8" 10 shot group at 50 yards. Does quite well at 100 too. Good luck with your search!!

My Sako Quad with it's 22mag. barrel shooting Win. Super X 40gr. hp's will surprise you. I tried to find the targets I shot with it, but can't find them. At 100yds. .75" groups were quite numerous. Some under that and some over that, but overall it will hang with the best of them.

My ex girlfriend in Oregon had a Ruger 77/22 laminate that would drive tacks with cci 40gr hp's. I'm talking very impressive groups from that rifle. If I could have bought that rifle from her, I would have been all over it!!! That rifle would make my 17HMR's nervous..

Good stuff - those WW JHPs were a standard for accuracy in WMR, no doubt some guns like, very much the Vmax or Accutips for accuracy. I think I would prefer a stouter bullet for avoiding meat destruction and higher downrange impact and penetration on say Coyotes. I am sure the 30s will get the job done with shot placement that allows reaching vitals.

The old 77/22s were very good shooters, a few folks would shim the bolts (as/if needed) on say the Hornets, and get sub 1/2 MOA with preferred handloads.

Enjoying the feedback, thanks.

For sure. For the longest time my buddy used his 22wmr Ruger American rimfire on yotes, and used the heavy Federal jhp's. The 50gr jacketed hollow points. They work great on yotes, without much pelt damage. He's also a state licensed trapper, so he sells the pelts. I've seen those heavy Federals drop yotes in their tracks.

Had a lovely Win 94/22M Deeluxxx for a spell that shot very well. Dunno why I bought it, ‘cause the cartridge bores me greatly.

Dan the Hornet Man

Had a Cooper 57M and a Savage/Anschutz 54 sporter in .22WMR that were as accurate as any .17hmr I’ve owned (Cooper and Tikka) I have an A-Bolt .22WMR that I keep for sentimental reasons but I’m at a place where if I can’t do it with a .22lr , I’ll go to .223. No more hornets or other tween cartridges.

Those Coopers are beautiful rifles too, but dang they are spendy. One 22 mag that no one has mentioned is the Marlin bolt action. Those always seemed to shoot real well. But the OP is looking for a Tikka. If he bought a 17HMR, and then replaced the barrel, that would probably be the best option. Or he can wait and see if Tikka brings one out soon? That could be a long wait though.

Good stuff gang. Dan, hard to beat your record with 22 Shorts

Jack, I understand. Never had a 223 personally that equally a 221 or 222. No doubt others have different results.

Your thread is making me want to pull the Chuckster out, and maybe scope it. That rifle shoots pretty dang well.

I bought a Browning T Bolt in 17 HMR which is a very nice and accurate rifle and I like the 10 round magazine. I also have Coopers in 22LR, 22 WM, and 17 HMR. The downside to them is the clip only holds 3 in the 22 WM and 17 HMR. Accuracy wise for the difference in cost the Browning is the way to go unless you just like pretty which I do. I like the fit and feel of the Coopers if I close my eyes I can't tell if it's a rimfire or centerfire. There spendy for sure but accurate and for me anyway worth it in the long run.

BSA - might as well enjoy all of them

No doubt Coopers are/were top notch. IDK about the company since changes were made along the way. It seems they and Kimber were revered early on. I wonder how Annies compare to the Coopers.

I agree. That is the fun part. Then every once in a while, you find a sleeper. One that is beautiful is the icing on the cake though. Or maybe a deal you can't pass up. I'm kind of ashamed to admit this, but I'm usually pretty bored with rimfires, but my girlfriend has wanted to shoot rifles lately, and it's a lot cheaper to shoot 22lr!!! Ha ha.. So, now you know the rest of the story.. The reason I have recently started a few threads in this forum. Been shooting more 22lr lately. When I was a kid, I hunted the hell out of them. Wore out a Marlin 60, and a couple 10/22's. That poor Marlin was funny, it was so worn out that it would go full auto if you held the trigger just right.

So, are you going to get a T1X, and have it rebarreled? The chuckster I posted a pic of was my dads. He did a damn good job of wearing that rifle out, when he was a kid, but he took great care of it. I had to replace just about all the internals in that rifle. Springs, extractors, ejector, hammer etc. etc..

Back in the early 60's I hunted a lot of Red Fox, mainly for the bounty. The only rifle I had was a Remington Nylon 66 in 22lr. The 22lr did not work all that well as a one shot DRT, so having a tube with a lot of rounds helped. One day while reading an outdoor magazine I saw an ad for Win. 22 mag. hp's and in the background was a Red Fox and I believe a Groundhog was there also. Anyway, it indicated that this new, new to me, 22 mag. round for Fox was all that and a bag of chips. That did it, I had to have one. My Dad and I search far and wide for a rifle in 22 mag., finally we found one in a small country gun store and off brand, but still, the elite 22 mag. I bought it, but being still quite the novice, the Store owner had to set it up with a scope and thankfully had a range behind his store. With taken care of, off I went with a Savage/Anschutz 164M and a 4X Weaver scope. Boy was I a happy lad.
With Win. 22 mag. hp's, I had zero runners from that time on. Back then we did not have any Coyotes so it was quite some years before I had a chance to try the Mag. out on them. Yes, it works quite well with the Win. HP round. It of course is not a long distance Coyote round, but I'm comfortable with mine out to about 150yds. And in my area, that is a long shot unless your standing on main street. LOL
The 22mag. is still a round I really like. I know it doesn't have the accuracy of the 17HMR, but as a hunting round it is quite adequate.
Personally I would not feel comfortable shooting Coyotes with the Hornady 30g. or any other 30gr. for that matter. Back when I bought my first 22 mag. I never shot it for groups, my allowance wouldn't support a lot of 22 mag. ammo, plus 12 ga., plus 22lr. As I think about those days, I pretty much hit whatever I aimed at with the Annie mag. and never gave a second thought that it might not shoot bug holes. LOL Years later when I benched the Anschutz using the outstanding Win. 40gr.hp, it was slightly disappointing. Minute of Fox or Coyote it was, but 1 1/2" was the BEST groups it shot. I still have that rifle, don't use it much now days, but it still ranks at the top of any rimfire I have. The CZ mag. I only had for a very short time didn't shoot the Win. ammo any better than the Annie, but a Sako Quad I have is outstanding with the Win. The RAR is not so good with Win. but more than makes up for it with the Hornady.
As for Coyote/Fox magnum ammo, make mine Win. Super X 40gr. hp's. The Win. ad back in the 1960's didn't lie and that ammo is still tops for Coyote/Fox in my book.

Good pos K22. The 22wmr is definitely a step up above the 22lr. If you ever get a chance to try the 50gr Federal JHP, you'd probably like that one too. Especially on bigger yotes.

Talking about accuracy, the old Mossberg 640KD that I posted a pic of the other day:


Before I had a "target" rifle, I used my dad's old Chuckster. Set it up with some Mossberg apertures and had a blast. I remember one of the first times I used it in one of my club's rimfire shoots. I didn't have a spotter/someone spotting for me. I had previously sighted the rifle in, and it was shooting great. In that particular shoot, I fired my first shot, and it was high and to the right. That was a cold clean bore, but I thought, that was weird, the rifle was dialed in the day before. So, stupidly, I held low and left to make up for the first shot, and fired off the remaining 9 shots.

Here's the target:


I felt stupid, when I looked through the spotter after my last shot was fired. Lesson learned!!!! The rifle shoots much better with a scope. The Mossberg front sight, isn't the best for target work. With this being said, some 22WMR's can be very accurate. I also agree with you about the lighter weight poly tipped bullets. Those were not designed for bigger critters, like yotes. Sage rats, ground squirrels, squirrels and jackrabbits and targets are what those are meant for..

Nice Chuckster bsa. Those old Mossbergs were very good shooters and they had some interesting stock concepts back then.
I have tried the Fed. 50gr. , but wasn't to fond of the larger arc and drop. When NC finally changed their laws on Coyote hunting after the other seasons were done, I went back to the tried and trusted 17 Rem. and occasionally the 204. That was back when pelts had some value, now that they don't around here I'll go back to the awesome 22 mag.
I should find a 22 mag. sporter barrel for the CZ 457 and use it occasionally, but at some point, and I hope soon, it will be mainly a 17HM2.
Little under the weather right now, but when I'm back in form I'm going to play around with the Action screw torque on the RAR and see if I can't make it shoot groups on par with the Hornady 30, using the Win. Super X 40gr. hp.

Those Hornady 30gr v-max shoot very well in my 22WMR rifles. The RAR seemed to like them the best, out of everything I tried. Have you tried the Winchester dynapoints in your rifle? Those always seemed to shoot very well, but the poi shift was weird. Seemed like they would work good on critters though.

I have not tried the Dynapoints in 22mag. but have shot a lot of them in 22lr. Amazing how well they shot.
I have Rem. 40gr. in both hp and sp along with the 33gr., Win. Supreme, CCI, some Federal 50gr. and the 30gr. using an alleged match grade Sierra hp.
Also have some PMC Predator 40gr. hp which shoot darn good.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Nice, that's a good selection. My Chuckster really likes the Remington 33gr accutip. It definitely pays to try different types of ammo, just like we do with the 22lr's.

Good stuff guys.

My Bear Creek puts the 50 Fed and 30 Hornady in the same spot at 50. Haven’t tried the 50 past that yet. A gel test I watched showed the 50 not expanding much. I bought a bunch for small game, but will use the 30s for pests. Need to do some field testing before the season closes.

My BRNO ZKM-611 is pretty accurate with the loads it likes.

Those are great rifles and yours shows why. Nice.

I took the Cooper Custom Classic 17HMR to the range to adjust for the change to FMJ VS the game point. A minor adjustment and it's just a ragged hole at 50 yards. Now I just need the weather to cooperate.

Lothar Walther also makes a drop in .22 WMR barrel for the Tikka.

EdM - nice work! Those are nice shooting indeed. Browning could take a lesson....for their SA-22 and even BL-22, if only in WMR.

GSOfan, that's a nice one. Tarquin, that's a nice option. Thanks folks.