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Surprised Tikka is not doing WMRs......anyone heard why?
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Same here. I have the .17HMR T1x and just assumed the .22WMR was part of their catalog. Could be just pure economics of market size vs. manufacturing investment required. Or maybe other priorities.
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Same here. I have the .17HMR T1x and just assumed the .22WMR was part of their catalog. Could be just pure economics of market size vs. manufacturing investment required. Or maybe other priorities. Probably not a whole lot of interest in the 22WMR. But with that being said, it's weird that CZ makes the 457 in one, as does the Ruger RAR?? I know the T1x 22lr sells like hotcakes, so that is probably where they are focusing their efforts on.
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The Ruger RAR is made in 22mag. They have 2 barrel lengths. Mine shoots really well with Hornady 30gr.
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Yes, most major mfg do seem to offer models in WMR, no doubt sales are higher in 22LR, and perhaps in HMR.
One would think the WMR has enough demand to justify a model or two, given the fit the HMR barrels on their actions.
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My guesstimate is that Tikka is selling every T1x 22 LR and 17HMR they can make right now. If that is the case it doesn't make economic sense to produce something that there is not as much demand for.
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I cannot disagree, but if they can increase mfg capacity........I look at all the chamberings they make in Centerfire now.....
It's nice to have choices, many Tikka users match accuracy of say CZ, etc. No doubt the WMR market is perhaps smaller. IDK the ammo sales of HMR vs WMR, but that might be interesting to know.
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65BR: My Browning T-Bolt Varmint in 22 Magnum shoots very well indeed. With todays "improved" 22 magnum ammunitions I have used this caliber a lot more in the last few years than I did during the early part of this century. I would guesssurmise the 17 HMR ammunition "outsells" the 22 Magnum ammunition by at least 7 to 1! Maybe as much as 10 or 15 to 1? I also would be interested in the actual figgers. Long live rimfires! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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The Ruger RAR is made in 22mag. They have 2 barrel lengths. Mine shoots really well with Hornady 30gr. Those RAR's are great rifles. The one I had was very accurate, as are the couple that my buddies have. There's not a whole lot to not like about the Ruger rimfire. The magazine is a proven design, that is flush mount, the sights are good (if you get one with sights), and the scope mounting system is good. Triggers aren't too bad, but the action sounds like a zipper, when you run the bolt. I'm sure a Tikka T1x would be great, but when there are other manufactures out there producing good 22WMR's, why overthink it?? I'd just buy a RAR, CZ, or maybe a Browning T-bolt. I recently saw a beautiful, like new, maple stocked T-bolt the other day, for $700.00 that I almost bought, and I already have a good 22WMR.
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I built a 22mag off a tikka t1x 17 hrm, used a shilen barrel for the build
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65BR: My Browning T-Bolt Varmint in 22 Magnum shoots very well indeed. With todays "improved" 22 magnum ammunitions I have used this caliber a lot more in the last few years than I did during the early part of this century. I would guesssurmise the 17 HMR ammunition "outsells" the 22 Magnum ammunition by at least 7 to 1! Maybe as much as 10 or 15 to 1? I also would be interested in the actual figgers. Long live rimfires! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy VG - yeah, I actually emailed CCI to try getting some ballpark info on that market share/ratio, not asking for specifics, but no doubt just like the Creedmore, the 17 really has a following. Nothing against it, but I like the heavier bullets in the WMR, and if not mistaken, it seems from reports the 17 is bad in the wind. No doubt they are very accurate, albeit also VERY destructive with many ammo choices on say tree squirrels, even head shots. Not trying to do prairie dog damage on edible game. I do a fair share of field work with 22 LR but do have times where the WMR is preferred. Never heard of a bad shooting Browning, of any kind...was eyeing those T-bolts a long time, and the WMR looked very intriguing. I hear they can use a trigger job, and some may not like the magazines as much as say a Ruger, but other than that, very light, and accurate. The stock design works well.......should have picked up one or more of various ones when they were clearing them out a few years back and much lower prices than now. The CZ 457 looks interesting, and even in the Varmint model. BSA, I have a nice shooting Predator RAR......trigger spring changed, quite sweet. Ruined many squirrels day. Yes, CZ's are good and others. The Tikka has nice ergos for me when I have handled. Steve, that sounds interesting, it seems IIRC, the Shilen has a good reputation for rimfire barrels, would like to hear about your results. I can understand folks liking the 17 for small groups, and we could only wish to enjoy the same Quality precision ammo, across the board by the mfg, which would give a boost to sales of new rifles as well. Many Good options, but not so many 'Great' options, consistently. Extreme spread seems to be a culprit, IDK why ammo mfg cannot tighten up the ES and SD so accuracy would be substantially improved especially as ranges near and exceed 100 yds. No doubt a few folks get great accuracy with say Hornady 30s, though I feel all else equal a 40 would be a good place to be in the WMR for a variety of applications. A guy did extensive testing, results on rimfire central website, out to 200 yds, and the ES was quite shocking on the WMR. That said, many rifles will give close to MOA at 100 yds, and a few inches less drop than a LR.
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I built a 22mag off a tikka t1x 17 hrm, used a shilen barrel for the build Hows it shoot? Im interested in going down the same road.
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65BR: My Browning T-Bolt Varmint in 22 Magnum shoots very well indeed. With todays "improved" 22 magnum ammunitions I have used this caliber a lot more in the last few years than I did during the early part of this century. I would guesssurmise the 17 HMR ammunition "outsells" the 22 Magnum ammunition by at least 7 to 1! Maybe as much as 10 or 15 to 1? I also would be interested in the actual figgers. Long live rimfires! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy VG - yeah, I actually emailed CCI to try getting some ballpark info on that market share/ratio, not asking for specifics, but no doubt just like the Creedmore, the 17 really has a following. Nothing against it, but I like the heavier bullets in the WMR, and if not mistaken, it seems from reports the 17 is bad in the wind. No doubt they are very accurate, albeit also VERY destructive with many ammo choices on say tree squirrels, even head shots. Not trying to do prairie dog damage on edible game. I do a fair share of field work with 22 LR but do have times where the WMR is preferred. Never heard of a bad shooting Browning, of any kind...was eyeing those T-bolts a long time, and the WMR looked very intriguing. I hear they can use a trigger job, and some may not like the magazines as much as say a Ruger, but other than that, very light, and accurate. The stock design works well.......should have picked up one or more of various ones when they were clearing them out a few years back and much lower prices than now. The CZ 457 looks interesting, and even in the Varmint model. BSA, I have a nice shooting Predator RAR......trigger spring changed, quite sweet. Ruined many squirrels day. Yes, CZ's are good and others. The Tikka has nice ergos for me when I have handled. Steve, that sounds interesting, it seems IIRC, the Shilen has a good reputation for rimfire barrels, would like to hear about your results. I can understand folks liking the 17 for small groups, and we could only wish to enjoy the same Quality precision ammo, across the board by the mfg, which would give a boost to sales of new rifles as well. Many Good options, but not so many 'Great' options, consistently. Extreme spread seems to be a culprit, IDK why ammo mfg cannot tighten up the ES and SD so accuracy would be substantially improved especially as ranges near and exceed 100 yds. No doubt a few folks get great accuracy with say Hornady 30s, though I feel all else equal a 40 would be a good place to be in the WMR for a variety of applications. A guy did extensive testing, results on rimfire central website, out to 200 yds, and the ES was quite shocking on the WMR. That said, many rifles will give close to MOA at 100 yds, and a few inches less drop than a LR. Steve probably has the best suggestion, if you have to have the Tikka. I'll bet they shoot damn well with a Shilen barrel too. From what I've seen with the 22wmr, they can be damn accurate when you use the new pointy poly tipped bullets. My chucketer loves the Rem accutip. I remember the first time I tried that ammo, it shot a 3/8" 10 shot group at 50 yards. Does quite well at 100 too. Good luck with your search!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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My Sako Quad with it's 22mag. barrel shooting Win. Super X 40gr. hp's will surprise you. I tried to find the targets I shot with it, but can't find them. At 100yds. .75" groups were quite numerous. Some under that and some over that, but overall it will hang with the best of them.
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My Sako Quad with it's 22mag. barrel shooting Win. Super X 40gr. hp's will surprise you. I tried to find the targets I shot with it, but can't find them. At 100yds. .75" groups were quite numerous. Some under that and some over that, but overall it will hang with the best of them. My ex girlfriend in Oregon had a Ruger 77/22 laminate that would drive tacks with cci 40gr hp's. I'm talking very impressive groups from that rifle. If I could have bought that rifle from her, I would have been all over it!!! That rifle would make my 17HMR's nervous..
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Good stuff - those WW JHPs were a standard for accuracy in WMR, no doubt some guns like, very much the Vmax or Accutips for accuracy. I think I would prefer a stouter bullet for avoiding meat destruction and higher downrange impact and penetration on say Coyotes. I am sure the 30s will get the job done with shot placement that allows reaching vitals.
The old 77/22s were very good shooters, a few folks would shim the bolts (as/if needed) on say the Hornets, and get sub 1/2 MOA with preferred handloads.
Enjoying the feedback, thanks.
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Good stuff - those WW JHPs were a standard for accuracy in WMR, no doubt some guns like, very much the Vmax or Accutips for accuracy. I think I would prefer a stouter bullet for avoiding meat destruction and higher downrange impact and penetration on say Coyotes. I am sure the 30s will get the job done with shot placement that allows reaching vitals.
The old 77/22s were very good shooters, a few folks would shim the bolts (as/if needed) on say the Hornets, and get sub 1/2 MOA with preferred handloads.
Enjoying the feedback, thanks. For sure. For the longest time my buddy used his 22wmr Ruger American rimfire on yotes, and used the heavy Federal jhp's. The 50gr jacketed hollow points. They work great on yotes, without much pelt damage. He's also a state licensed trapper, so he sells the pelts. I've seen those heavy Federals drop yotes in their tracks.
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Had a lovely Win 94/22M Deeluxxx for a spell that shot very well. Dunno why I bought it, ‘cause the cartridge bores me greatly.
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Had a Cooper 57M and a Savage/Anschutz 54 sporter in .22WMR that were as accurate as any .17hmr I’ve owned (Cooper and Tikka) I have an A-Bolt .22WMR that I keep for sentimental reasons but I’m at a place where if I can’t do it with a .22lr , I’ll go to .223. No more hornets or other tween cartridges.
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Had a Cooper 57M and a Savage/Anschutz 54 sporter in .22WMR that were as accurate as any .17hmr I’ve owned (Cooper and Tikka) I have an A-Bolt .22WMR that I keep for sentimental reasons but I’m at a place where if I can’t do it with a .22lr , I’ll go to .223. No more hornets or other tween cartridges. Those Coopers are beautiful rifles too, but dang they are spendy. One 22 mag that no one has mentioned is the Marlin bolt action. Those always seemed to shoot real well. But the OP is looking for a Tikka. If he bought a 17HMR, and then replaced the barrel, that would probably be the best option. Or he can wait and see if Tikka brings one out soon? That could be a long wait though.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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