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The 140 6.5 has a .640 bc, anyone have a way to run the numbers to 500 and then 700 and then 1K for giggles?

Thx

Dober

Any pressure signs with those loads? And how long is your barrel?
Elmer

Based upon the struggles my brother has had with his Shilen Barreled (#5 contour , 6 flutes, blue printed M700 action, pillar bedded, free floated) in 264 Win, I will gladly keep my 7mm Rem Mag that has shot every bullet I have tried into 1/2 moa.
I have heard stories (internet legends) that the 6.5 bore is very picky about matching the twist rate to the bullet weight (length). Perhaps those guys are full of bad pizza, but from what my brother is finding, it makes me wonder if there may be something to those claims / accusations.

Admitedly, the 7mm will win most arguments whether about wind resistance, drop or power at nearly any range.....but...

There is just something about the .264 that has always attracted me. I've tried to find a reason why I should own one for years just as I did with the .338 Mag. I finally bought a .338 for an elk hunt.....so maybe an upcoming pronghorn hunt is enough reason to get a .264. Does that make sense??

It makes A LOT of sense....but only if you are a reloader. The factory loads in 264 are pretty limited.Chopaka81

Chopaka81: FWIW, I've had several 264's an found them no more or less finiky (sp?) than other rounds. My current one is a real tack driver with almost every bullet I have tried. Luck of the draw, I guess.

Sounds kinda like my story. Recently sold a perfectly good Rem 7oo in 7 mag I have killed several deer with, to buy a pre64 model 70 in 264 mag, because they always sounded "exotic" or something. Besides, the wood and beautiful checkering just really did it for me. I am going to load some 140 NPs and see how it shoots. Hope I didnt step backwards in my decision!

"The 140 6.5 has a .640 bc, anyone have a way to run the numbers to 500 and then 700 and then 1K for giggles?

Thx

Dober"

Mark this site also has that as well. Best one of the bunch for making these calculations. I like the come ups it will tell you to take. I've used this now for the past 4 years and it's pretty accurate.


http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

http://www.biggameinfo.com/

Kenster99

I like those rifles! (minus the brake)

I had a 264 Win Mag built year before last,I load 215 primers,66 grains 4831short cut and use 129 grain Hornady SST'S,IT RUNS 3278FPS AND SMACKS TTHE SHAT OUT OF DEER,HOGS AND PREDATORS.i RUN A 27IN KREIGER BARREL IN A Sendero contour,it will shoot a group of 10 shots size less than a quarter.What more can I ask for.

Thanks SU35. Yeah, brakes arn't my thing either. This Sako 338 belonged to a friend of mine who passed away this year, an hour after he shot a nice 4 point buck.His son wanted me to have it.

Take a look at the 6.5mm/284 before you finalize your plan!
Happy Campers at the 1000 yd line are using these.

if your handloading and building the gun from scratch you'll need a mic or a sales receipt to tell the difference. have "heard" that the 7 mag has inherent pressure spikes that have left it considered as inconsistent. not my experience though...

have fun and enjoy...

woofer

Cummins-when you get time please weigh back in and let me know your thoughts on these questions.

Thx

Dober

well actually I am thinking of just buying a 264 win mag sendero, and seeing how it shoots, if it shoots great, prolly at some point sell the HS stock for a mickey and call it good, a bullet with a BC .640 moving at 3200fps that everyone claims is doable from a 26" is the hammer of thor for long range coyotes,

I have a lot to decide I am also have a barrel on order for krieger that I could change to 6.5 if I wanted, either way I will be useing a remmy 700 action, the scope I am eyeing is the zeiss conquest 4.5-14x50 with the target turrets, 18" of elevation with one turn, BTW anyone know of a cheaper scope that offers that much elevation in one turn??

I have owned 264's from the time the westner first came out and have owned as many as 15 at one time, most were collectors but the several that were shooter guns did everything I ever hoped for. They are my go to gun for everything from varmits to elk and have never let me down.
I have thought very hard about one of the remington's in this caliber, just haven't found one yet at a price I like.One of the current go to guns is a classic in 264,26" tube wearing a Leupold LR/T in 6.5-20X50 target dot.

Good luck and let us know when you get your project completed.

Cummins, don't forget about the TSX 120gr for the 264. It's about as long as the 140 in other makes , flies flat and hits about as hard and can be pushed easily to 3400+ in a 26" barrel. Mine likes both H-1000 and 7828 but not all guns like the TSX. My first Lilja barreled 264 absolutely shot bug holes and like a fool i traded it to my antelope outfitter for a hunt...my Rem 264 with kreiger 8 twist just doesn't lkike the TSX at all but shoots small groups with the 125 partition...plenty of 120 choices out there that will flatten trajectory much...

Bill

Not trying to change the topic, but if you want a dedicated long range rig for coyote, I would build a 6mm-06 and be done with it. Less muzzle blast, recoil and slightly better barrel life (the 6mm-06 is pretty hard on barrels too). With 110-115 VLD class bullets pushed close to 3,400 fps, you would smoke coyotes under the table. Check some of the ballistics on an ultra velocity 6mm and you will find it is very capable at insane distances.

As far as the 264 Win and 7mm Rem Mag debate, one has to have a 26-inch barrel to match the others ballistics with a 24-inch. Since your use would be stationary for the most part, weight and barrel length are not a concern. Both are seemingly capable and the onus would be on the shooter not the cartridge.

For this general chamber length and bolt face size, I think a 7mm Weatherby mag would be really nice.

It does not have the pressure variations that have been reported in the Rem mag.

And it is flatter shooting than either.

No obvious signs of pressure, havent miked the case yet, but they shoot fine,, barrell is 26 inch stainless, Bergers are moly coated and just touching the lands

Basically here the round is about the last part of the equation I'd be fretting over.

The shooter is the most important part and I've never met one yet that could take dogs past 500 with any degree of regularity let alone consistently.

The scope, the LRF, the trigger is way more important for sure. Now whether it is a big 6.5 or a big 7 it just don't matter and it is only ballistic gack 101.

Taking yotes conistenly to 300 is very doable, and taking them to 45 or so can be done with someone really set up and savy. Now once you break past 500 for the most part the idea of taking yotes consistently on the first shot (which is the only one you'll get worth taking) is incredibly tough to do and darn few in the world have the capability.

I once worried about this kind of stuff buy now I only worry about killing every one I get a shot at to 300 and then killing a high percentage of the yotes taken to 500.

Not trying to say you're barking up the wrong tree here Cummins just that it is one incredibly tough one.

How heavy do you plan to have your rig by the way?

Thx

Dober