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Hilarious

You give more weight to opinions about scopes to those who fire one shot on a hunt than those who shoot hundreds of rounds, abusing their equipment, dialing for 200 rounds a weekend

The campfire is deranged

If he does hunt, I stand corrected. Has he put out much material or scope reviews as it relates to the needs of big game hunters?

Actually, yes. Because when it all comes down to making that one shot, and 20
+ years worth of points and applications are on the line, your system better be flawless. Only a hunter knows that feeling.

200 hundred whole rounds? Dang that's impressive

After reading this entire thread I feel like buying a new scope. It's down between Leupold and Vortex.....

A few thoughts from reading some (several) of the posts on this thread.

1. We benefit from reading as much as we can from industry experts and also reading between the lines. Sometimes hints are dropped that at the time can't, for a variety of reasons, be said by that person more obviously.

2. Yes, critical thinking demands examining what others say in light of your own experiences and the experiences of people you trust. Blindly trusting someone on the internet who you don't really know doesn't qualify as critical analysis. We often don't know the nature of relationships of people we don't know very well, particularly on the internet. People can be talking up or talking down a product for a variety of reasons.

3. For any product, product design, manufacturing process design, manufacturing techniques, worker training and motivation, and QA/QC are all important factors in the quality of any particular individual example of that product.

From what I've gathered from multiple sources, QA/QC in Communist China can be spotty at best. One person may not have any problems with a Chicom produced scope, but don't be surprised if a lot of other people have problems with that same model.

Same might be said for a very large and popular American scope company whose management apparently decided several years ago that quality wasn't as important as it had previously been deemed there.

There's been more than enough written on this forum over the years about a particular European optics company to know not to expect the "waterproofing" or durability to match the stunning quality of their glass.

The benefit of the internet is that a lot of info is available from a lot of sources. The challenge is to sift the wheat from the chaff and always be vigilant to critically evaluate each data point. The vast majority of us wouldn't know nearly as much as we do about optics without the internet.

Bottom line:
When people share their experiences, evaluate the source, critically assess what they are saying in light of your own experiences and what other people you trust have said, and make your best choice based on your priorities and your assessment of all the available information.

I don't know Koshkin from Adam, but given his credential as spelled out by MD, I'm betting he knows more about it than most anyone/everyone here whether it's competition, hunting, or some sort of ridiculous drop testing.

Which scopes has he designed that we can judge his qualifications off of?

belly, not sure who "we" is but why don't you ask him? I'm sure he pays great attention to what a bunch on internet experts think.

This may be the most "24HC" thing ever. "I shoot more than everyone so I know it all" is accepted, and not an appeal to authority logical fallacy, but "Here's my engineering degree, and 20+ years working for scope companies" sure as heck isn't worth listening to.

God I hope the optics forum here never changes.

The real question is... why do optics evoke such passionate opinions? everybody seems to separate into tribes and feel the need to fight the other tribe... crazy stuff

The fun part is most of those with passionate opinions haven't done enough shooting/hunting to warrant them. At all.

That's kind of funny, considering my two favorite hunting scopes are the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 Firedot and the Vortex Razor LHT 3-15x42.

I’m not the one putting him forward as some kind of expert on the subject.


Blind trust/worship of the “experts” is total boomer b.s.

I’d venture to guess that the VAST majority of scopes are engineered by someone with similar credentials. We all know scopes are not created equal.

I’m not going to swallow anything just because an “expert” tells me to. Learned that lesson long ago.

Kind of like “brand or model X scope is mechanically reliable because here’s an animal I shot using mine.”

It's not a generational flaw, it's a human flaw.

Says all the Leupold users...

Id be more worried about the " no fear hat wearing"
Millennials.
Have to wear a hat to remind themselves they're not afraid.....

You're not wrong. EVERY mechanical device can fail. All brands and models of scopes have failures.

But I'm laughing more at how one specific appeal to authority is "good" while another is "bad" here on the 24HC. Watching people use the exact same logical fallacy that they're attacking others for using won't ever stop being amusing.