Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Key points of Tucker Putin Interview: this is what they don't want you to hear.

You may be 100% correct about Putin / Zelensky... we really have no way of truly knowing.
About caring who wins, is why i posed the question several times that nobody seems to want to answer, how does Ukraine losing affect us?
Versus how does our continued funding of the war affect us? and what is worse?

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.

Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

There is no doubt that Vlad Putin wants to recreate the USSR.

None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.