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Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.
Gosh that's earth-shattering news. Not.

Of course Putin sees what he is doing as righteous. Did we expect anything else?

Wish both side continued luck in their endeavors. Europe will be a safer place without a strong Russian military and Putin has seen to that. Sooner or later, the average Russian will realize that their best and brightest have been sacrificed in Ukraine for no geopolitical gain.

This is their new Afghanistan. Enjoy...
I see a lot I’d agree with.
In a lot of ways the US has been using Russia as a “spooky” diversion so the powers can avoid having to deal with what China really is.
Not that I love Russia, quite frankly we get more truth out of them than our own government these days however.

Osky
1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.

Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues.
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?


Why do we care? Why should we care? The only Russian military that should be relevant to us are the nukes, and this war affects them not at all.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?

How bout this:
We let the older brother[Europe] take care of matters in their backyard for once.

They seem to not understand how hierarchy normally works where the eldest brother normally watches out for the younger brother.

We've had the older brothers back for 100 years now.
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?
No we absolutely have no place there!
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?

Cleuless!! We have just aligned Russia with China and jump started the brics alliance. We are witnessing the fall of America and all you war mongering clowns stuck in the 80s can not pull your chit together and figure out what is going on
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?

Russia has oil, raw materials and people. Historically speaking, their losses in Ukraine to this point is just a warm up. It’s been a nasty thing to watch over there, but their military is gaining valuable experience on a modern battlefield.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.
Just f ucking stop, for the love of God. I have not read a more incompetent break down of what is happening and what should happen than this. Putin is not going to take over any country. He doesnt even want all of Ukraine. Nato and the Cia caused this as usual with regime change and destabilization as always. Ukraine was never supposed to be Nato and was to remain neutral, but somehow nato has bases there as well as all of the biolabs that have been proven to be real. How would you feel if China was building military bases in mexico and threatening us on a daily basis like the war mongering rino pricks and the dems do? You need to get this figured out in your head because you have found yourself squarely on the wrong side
we should be forming a rock-solid alliance with Russia, dissuading them from doing the same with China.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
we should be forming a rock-solid alliance with Russia, dissuading them from doing the same with China.


Good luck with that strategy...
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?


Putin is destroying his military, why not help in that process?

Cleuless!! We have just aligned Russia with China and jump started the brics alliance. We are witnessing the fall of America and all you war mongering clowns stuck in the 80s can not pull your chit together and figure out what is going on
Yup
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukraine's expense.
How about we keep our soldiers on our continent and be on friendly terms as much as possible with all nations including the resource wealthy country of Russia. You are right, Russia is not our friend and neither is any other country. De Gaulle said it best "France does not have friends, it has interests". That should be us. Our Navy should be used to keep the waterborne sea trade open and what goes on otherwise on other continents we cannot afford to get mixed up in.

You correctly point out the $$$TRILLIONS spent on the war on terror with nothing worthwhile in return.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
we should be forming a rock-solid alliance with Russia, dissuading them from doing the same with China.
Correct; we have a lot of common interest and a lot of commonality.

The central bankers have for over a century been pushing the USA into insolvency by keeping our country through our politicians forever involved in far flung intercontinental military adventures. Now we are 30+ TRILLION down and the central bankers are ready to push for one government for earth which was the goal all along. They couldn't get us in the League of Nations in WW1 but we went hook, line, and sinker for the United Nations and even headquartered it here.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.
Just f ucking stop, for the love of God. I have not read a more incompetent break down of what is happening and what should happen than this. Putin is not going to take over any country. He doesnt even want all of Ukraine. Nato and the Cia caused this as usual with regime change and destabilization as always. Ukraine was never supposed to be Nato and was to remain neutral, but somehow nato has bases there as well as all of the biolabs that have been proven to be real. How would you feel if China was building military bases in mexico and threatening us on a daily basis like the war mongering rino pricks and the dems do? You need to get this figured out in your head because you have found yourself squarely on the wrong side
Agree 100% Putin took what he wanted which were historically Russian lands and has no interest in occupation of other countries. Our incompetent leaders need an enemy and war so they are poking the bear. According to our state department and Pentagon Putin should have been on his knees long time ago due to the sanctions yet he has grown stronger while we are in deeper debt and huge inflation.
Putin is correct. Our government has used Russia as a scapegoat to interfere in world foreign policy since WWII. Russia has been maligned and Ukraine is a puppet that Obama created. I do not doubt that Ukraine has been corrupt since it's founding. how bout America? Just how saintly are we in that regard? We have toppled governments and inserted corrupt governments all over the world especially South America. once again, how would it feel if Russia put armed warheads on our parameters aimed at us? In my humble opinion he has just cause to confront Ukraine and he made it clear that he has no ill intentions for any other nation including us. Can we say that about Russia?
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Originally Posted by Osky
I see a lot I’d agree with.
In a lot of ways the US has been using Russia as a “spooky” diversion so the powers can avoid having to deal with what China really is.
Not that I love Russia, quite frankly we get more truth out of them than our own government these days however.

Osky
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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.
You are as clueless then and voters like you have set this country up to fail. You applaud this madness and vote in the clowns who cause this. You guys are just as much at fault for what is happening to us as the evil pricks in office are
Originally Posted by jorgeI
1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.

Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues.

Have you listened to Victoria Nuland's telephone call with the Ukrainian ambassador? Lol

All the U.S. State department does is overthrow and install puppet regimes.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.


First class stupidity on display, but not unexpected.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.
You are as clueless then and voters like you have set this country up to fail. You applaud this madness and vote in the clowns who cause this. You guys are just as much at fault for what is happening to us as the evil pricks in office are

In your opinion, but your opinion is meaningless to me.

I didn't vote for JRB, Jr. in 2020 and my Republican Senators, Fischer and Ricketts, and Representative, Bacon, are conservative right of center pols.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.
You are as clueless then and voters like you have set this country up to fail. You applaud this madness and vote in the clowns who cause this. You guys are just as much at fault for what is happening to us as the evil pricks in office are

In your opinion, but your opinion is meaningless to me.

I didn't vote for JRB, Jr. in 2020 and my Republican Senators, Fischer and Ricketts, and Representative, Bacon, are conservative right of center pols.
Opinions are formed over the info that is put out for everyone to see. You did that and it was an easy opinion to form
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

I know that when we went on REFORGER exercises in late 1970s and early 1989s, we were worried about the Red Army using chemical weapons on us. The Russian Army has been far more inept in their war with Ukraine than I would have ever expected. The Ukrainians have hit well above their weight and just think how much more damage they could have done in the early days of the war if they had mobilized before the Russians attacked them. Seriously degrading the Russian military without shedding American or NATO blood is as good a deal for us as Soviet support of North Vietnam in the 1960s was for them.

Or so it seems to me.
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.
Actually a very good take on his feelings. Further it’s very evident he is concerned about his place in history because of how much time he spent on it. That suggests he might to defer to something greater than himself.

Reading comments here. Why hate Russia? You know it’s actual people and families you’re hating if you do. We made a grave error with our policy toward Russia. it should have been more like how we treated Japan.

Given the current nature of the CIA. True peace with Russia is impossible. Half the CIA would need to be fired. Would we influence them more by doing business with Russia or more sanctions? We already know how the later has worked.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created.
That is factually incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93United_States_relations
This is just another building block in the Davos Crowds plans for the Future..

They want Russia Wealth..

They tried to Coup Putin but He smelled and disposed of the Problem so the NWOCCIA started a War thinking this would drain Putin ..

Well it Hasn’t..

Another thing is the NWO Grip on the US and Western Europe is Getting Weaker ..

Now all Emanuel has to do is Finish what Putin has Started in this Country..

But does Emanuel have True Grit ..
Must watch interview. I know it’s 2 hrs long, but there is ALOT of important content in those 2 hours. We’re used to hearing 30 sec sound bites which involved zero journalism or research. The media just repeats propaganda talking points given to them by the White House or other Democrats. There’s no intelligent discussion involved, no depth.

Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, there are major concerns of Nazi influence on Ukraine officials, there has been repeated threats of NATO expansion along Russian border and much more. A must watch interview if you’re 1) intelligent 2) free thinker 3) want to consider and weigh all the facts, not just the propaganda you hear on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX NEWS.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

I know that when we went on REFORGER exercises in late 1970s and early 1989s, we were worried about the Red Army using chemical weapons on us. The Russian Army has been far more inept in their war with Ukraine than I would have ever expected. The Ukrainians have hit well above their weight and just think how much more damage they could have done in the early days of the war if they had mobilized before the Russians attacked them. Seriously degrading the Russian military without shedding American or NATO blood is as good a deal for us as Soviet support of North Vietnam in the 1960s was for them.

Or so it seems to me.


The best thing to come out of this little tiff is - This has been a wakeup call for NATO and those who border Russia. Finally we see them rearming and upgrading their militaries because they all now know they could easily be next.

If Putin's thought was to counter NATO expansion, he blew that idea in spades. NATO is stronger than it has been in the past four decades and only gaining strength.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

I know that when we went on REFORGER exercises in late 1970s and early 1989s, we were worried about the Red Army using chemical weapons on us. The Russian Army has been far more inept in their war with Ukraine than I would have ever expected. The Ukrainians have hit well above their weight and just think how much more damage they could have done in the early days of the war if they had mobilized before the Russians attacked them. Seriously degrading the Russian military without shedding American or NATO blood is as good a deal for us as Soviet support of North Vietnam in the 1960s was for them.

Or so it seems to me.


The best thing to come out of this little tiff is - This has been a wakeup call for NATO and those who border Russia. Finally we see them rearming and upgrading their militaries because they all now know they could easily be next.

If Putin's thought was to counter NATO expansion, he blew that idea in spades. NATO is stronger than it has been in the past four decades and only gaining strength.
LOL
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He is welcome to that opinion, but the Ukranians are just as welcome to their opinion to the contrary.

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He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

Everybody else thinks the FSB orchestrated a pro-Russian coup. They could both be right, or even wrong.

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He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

The modern Russian state draws from the Communist legacy which killed millions, including Ukranians. Russia poses a direct threat to Eastern European stability and national security.

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Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He did, but since NATO's charter is to protect against Russian aggression, how was that supposed to work? He would have simply ruined NATO from within. He's not stupid.

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He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

He is obsessed with weakening the West, and has decried the loss of a counterweight to the US, and wants to reestablish the geopolitical influence and piwer of the former USSR. He is the very picture of the pot calling the kettle black.

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Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

May be.

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He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

His is a kleptocracy controlled by an entrenched group of oligarch cronies who fall out of windows at an alarming rate. He locks up opponents, ensuring no change through elections.

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He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.

It's not extortion. He knows very well why we fund Ukraine.

Nothing he said was a surprise. He is an ambitious leader who wants to reestablish a protective later of vassal states subservient to Moscow to protect against historical invasions.

Eastern Europe does not want that.

He is entitled to his wants, but so is everybody else.
Good thing is, many are waking up to the new world. There are still some fools stuck in the past, but a chit ton are catching on. This is what we need to be able to defeat the globalist now/wef type evil that is attempting to destroy the world that our grand parents and great grand parents built and gave their lives for. The ones who havent caught on yet, this world has sadly passed you guys up. You are not a part of the solution currently and only fight to empower the most evil people this world has to offer. Hopefully someday you all will figure it out, but judging off of some of these posts, Im not holding my breath
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.
Pulter lies about history. Pulter lies about starting the war. Pulter lies about his "army".

Pulter's allies are Iran, Noth Korea and China. a bunch of stand up guys, i tell ya.........douchebags, every one of them.
Originally Posted by tdoyka
Pulter lies about history. Pulter lies about starting the war. Pulter lies about his "army".

Pulter's allies are Iran, Noth Korea and China. a bunch of stand up guys, i tell ya.........douchebags, every one of them.
You go girl
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

Not me. It's the simplistic falsity that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'

Sometimes they are both the enemy.

People here hate the current US Govt so much that they support anybody who the US opposes, with no further thought. Or, with no thought al all except ignorant knee-jerk schadenfreude.
Originally Posted by tdoyka
Pulter lies about history. Pulter lies about starting the war. Pulter lies about his "army".

Pulter's allies are Iran, Noth Korea and China. a bunch of stand up guys, i tell ya.........douchebags, every one of them.
While biden and the bolsheviks fully support Ukraine !!!>>?
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by jorgeI
1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.

Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues.

Have you listened to Victoria Nuland's telephone call with the Ukrainian ambassador? Lol

All the U.S. State department does is overthrow and install puppet regimes.

And Russia. And then they poison the opponents with Polonium or TCDD.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

Minsk II Peace Accord signed September 5, 2014 could have been enacted as agreed to.

But, no, USA welched, and here we are.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
ll



So all of the Biden voters are really triggered again
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukraine's expense.

I agree 110%.
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

Minsk II Peace Accord signed September 5, 2014 could have been enacted as agreed to.

But, no, USA welched, and here we are.

Putin welched on the territorial guarantee in exchange for Ukraine's nukes. Ukraine should never have given them up.
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

The U.S. provided Lend Lease food and equipment to the USSR during WW2 and the Soviets spent the time, effort, and money to repackage the food that we sent to them so that the common people wouldn't know that most of their food came from those evil capitalist in the U.S. and Canada.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?



LOl. Boomers think Putin will secretly steal Alaska. clown world.

Why have over 45,000 US troops invaded and occupied middle eastern and African countries again this year? Because they were originally part of our 13 colonies?
I watched it. Sober. Looking forward to some trustworthy commentator’s breaking it down. I am sure plenty will pop up on YouTube.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats. To answer your other question, No, we would not give back Alaska nor should we. Every land that has humans standing on the ground has been taken by someone at sometime. Every damn square inch!
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

Minsk II Peace Accord signed September 5, 2014 could have been enacted as agreed to.

But, no, USA welched, and here we are.


The US didn't welch, Ukraine and Russia did and here we are...


https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

I know that when we went on REFORGER exercises in late 1970s and early 1989s, we were worried about the Red Army using chemical weapons on us. The Russian Army has been far more inept in their war with Ukraine than I would have ever expected. The Ukrainians have hit well above their weight and just think how much more damage they could have done in the early days of the war if they had mobilized before the Russians attacked them. Seriously degrading the Russian military without shedding American or NATO blood is as good a deal for us as Soviet support of North Vietnam in the 1960s was for them.

Or so it seems to me.


The best thing to come out of this little tiff is - This has been a wakeup call for NATO and those who border Russia. Finally we see them rearming and upgrading their militaries because they all now know they could easily be next.

If Putin's thought was to counter NATO expansion, he blew that idea in spades. NATO is stronger than it has been in the past four decades and only gaining strength.

Your ignorance is showing. By their own admission, Germany, Britain and France have all but gutted their military forces, and their readiness to field an effective deterrent is pitiful. Add to that the fact that all 3 countries are in deep economic sh1t, and can't afford to rebuild them, and the fact that Germany had a negative GDP last quarter due mainly to the cost of energy, how do you figure that NATO is stronger than i years past?
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats.

No, Russia is there because they want to be. Ukraine was far, far away from joining NATO. They have problems, just like Russia. Russia is in Uktraine because Putin is ambitious and wants to recreate the geopolitical power of the former USSR.

Putin's efforts have led the neutral Scandinavian countries to join NATO. He shot himself in the foot in that regard.
Originally Posted by badger
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

I know that when we went on REFORGER exercises in late 1970s and early 1989s, we were worried about the Red Army using chemical weapons on us. The Russian Army has been far more inept in their war with Ukraine than I would have ever expected. The Ukrainians have hit well above their weight and just think how much more damage they could have done in the early days of the war if they had mobilized before the Russians attacked them. Seriously degrading the Russian military without shedding American or NATO blood is as good a deal for us as Soviet support of North Vietnam in the 1960s was for them.

Or so it seems to me.


The best thing to come out of this little tiff is - This has been a wakeup call for NATO and those who border Russia. Finally we see them rearming and upgrading their militaries because they all now know they could easily be next.

If Putin's thought was to counter NATO expansion, he blew that idea in spades. NATO is stronger than it has been in the past four decades and only gaining strength.

Your ignorance is showing. By their own admission, Germany, Britain and France have all but gutted their military forces, and their readiness to field an effective deterrent is pitiful. Add to that the fact that all 3 countries are in deep economic sh1t, and can't afford to rebuild them, and the fact that Germany had a negative GDP last quarter due mainly to the cost of energy, how do you figure that NATO is stronger than i years past?

It is politically stronger than in the post cold war era. And they will be arming up now as a result of Putin's wake-up call.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The best thing to come out of this little tiff is - This has been a wakeup call for NATO and those who border Russia. Finally we see them rearming and upgrading their militaries because they all now know they could easily be next.

If Putin's thought was to counter NATO expansion, he blew that idea in spades. NATO is stronger than it has been in the past four decades and only gaining strength.
It's gaining strength for no reason.

What will happen is they will warehouse a bunch of arms, and about the time of their "best used by date" NATO will realize that they are expensive to demil. What will they do then? Probably the same thing they've done now, which is start a war.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?

should give Texas back to Mexico first
I watched the interview, and came the conclusion that Putin is far more intelligent, than I had believed. He is a very good Russia politician. Like all politicians he is sly, devious, and cunning and bares constant watching. He is correct when he says, the United States should not be involved in Ukraine. To believe that the US isn't involved in leading, the puppet government in Ukraine shows the ignorance of many. That said, could the United States do business with Russia yes. After all we have been doing business with the most aggressive and corrupt government in the world, China. While the American public has had it head under the covers, we have been invaded, and the populace is just now waking up! Should we trust Putin, only as much as we trust any politician. Russia will never yield to any other country, it has never been and will never be successfully controlled by outsiders.
What is wrong with beginning peace talks with Russia? Why should the United States be involved in a border war anywhere but home? Why do people anywhere care how rich Putin got, while leading his country, when every politician in the world has done the same thing. Do I trust Putin, just about as much as I trust FJB. The difference I believe FJB is being lead. Where as Putin is leading.
Originally Posted by Calvin
I watched it. Sober. Looking forward to some trustworthy commentator’s breaking it down. I am sure plenty will pop up on YouTube.
Can't you think for yourself ,Brother?
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

Minsk II Peace Accord signed September 5, 2014 could have been enacted as agreed to.

But, no, USA welched, and here we are.


The US didn't welch, Ukraine and Russia did and here we are...


https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements
Our own cia caused a coup and put in place their own dude in Ukraine. We started this as we always do
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats.

No, Russia is there because they want to be. Ukraine was far, far away from joining NATO. They have problems, just like Russia. Russia is in Uktraine because Putin is ambitious and wants to recreate the geopolitical power of the former USSR.

Putin's efforts have led the neutral Scandinavian countries to join NATO. He shot himself in the foot in that regard.
Nato had active bases in Ukraine before the war started. Try again
Did Tucker, by chance, happen to ask Putin about his invasion of Georgia?

Would have been a pertinent query.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats.

No, Russia is there because they want to be. Ukraine was far, far away from joining NATO. They have problems, just like Russia. Russia is in Uktraine because Putin is ambitious and wants to recreate the geopolitical power of the former USSR.

Putin's efforts have led the neutral Scandinavian countries to join NATO. He shot himself in the foot in that regard.
Nato had active bases in Ukraine before the war started. Try again

I searched and did not see that being so. Can you provide a link or reference please.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Did Tucker, by chance, happen to ask Putin about his invasion of Georgia?

Would have been a pertinent query.
Ring the bell. Your Depends are full, dickey.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.
I wouldnt expect them to have our best interests in their minds. We are all competing nations. I dont fully trust Russia, but I trust our illegal gov far less. All that said, we should not be anywhere near a war with Russia. Does not make sense
Tucker should have offered a trade. Maddow for Gershkovich.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Mr_TooDogs
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by 250_3000
Sure, Putin is going to put his Russian spin on things, but he makes it clear, the war could be easily ended quickly, ...

Same for WWII. All Russia had to do was capitulate.

Obviously not a solution, and nobody expected them to.

More easily, Russia could have not started the Ukranian war.

Minsk II Peace Accord signed September 5, 2014 could have been enacted as agreed to.

But, no, USA welched, and here we are.


The US didn't welch, Ukraine and Russia did and here we are...


https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements
Our own cia caused a coup and put in place their own dude in Ukraine. We started this as we always do

Russia did it first. Ukraine was under no obligation to accept that.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.



jfc. Is pooteen flying in the Chinese and Venezuelans again from St Petersburg?
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats.

No, Russia is there because they want to be. Ukraine was far, far away from joining NATO. They have problems, just like Russia. Russia is in Uktraine because Putin is ambitious and wants to recreate the geopolitical power of the former USSR.

Putin's efforts have led the neutral Scandinavian countries to join NATO. He shot himself in the foot in that regard.
I'll ask the same question Tucker asked Putin, why didn't Putin try to take Ukraine 22 years ago ?
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.
russia russia russia
The stark difference between Putin's thoughtful and intelligent interview and our own president's rambling, slurring, pant-schitting dementia is evident for all to see.

We're so fuqked, and our elections are rigged.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Did Tucker, by chance, happen to ask Putin about his invasion of Georgia?

Would have been a pertinent query.


Oh TootieJew....maybe ask why your hero McCain facilitated a phoney election to place a CIA plant as leader of Georgia so that Georgia would join NATO?



The Georgians got so tired of him they kicked him out of the country....and he went to Ukraine.



You fuggers are so stupid.....you are no doubt democrats.
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propaganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Did Tucker, by chance, happen to ask Putin about his invasion of Georgia?

Would have been a pertinent query.


Oh TootieJew....maybe ask why your hero McCain facilitated a phoney election to place a CIA plant as leader of Georgia so that Georgia would join NATO?



The Georgians got so tired of him they kicked him out of the country....and he went to Ukraine.



You fuggers are so stupid.....you are no doubt democrats.
THIS!!!!
The stark difference between anybody's thoughtful and intelligent interview and our own president's rambling, slurring, pant-schitting dementia is evident for all to see.
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propoganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked


Do you believe goading Japan into a war was a good thing? So when exactly was the US "the good guy"?
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Except for point 6, you and I are pretty much in sync in our views on this issue.

Point 6 seems to ignore the aspect of air superiority. Without air superiority, the ground forces don't get the level of tactical air support that helps to facilitate their moves on the battlefield. The Ukrainians have limited air force resources and few weapons that would allow them to attack transportation and logistics hubs deep inside enemy territory. Russia is heavily dependent on rail transportation and if you have the right weapons, bridges are always a lucrative target.


No question that deep strike and air superiority is paramount in a real shooting war. I find it amazing that Ukraine has inflicted the amount of damage they have without air power and very limited anti-aircraft and missile defense capabilities.

For fifty years we feared the Great Russian Bear rolling over Ukraine into Europe. That fear was seriously misplaced. It is embarrassing how the Russian military has performed. It looks like intentional suicide.

The primary fear was the Soviet Union would roll through the Fulda Gap into Germany, and the rest of Europe. Between 1922 and 1991, with a slight interruptions courtesy of the Germans in WWII, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union. They were a significant provider of men, material, food, and expertise to the Soviets.
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
Russia is in Ukraine because of NATO expansion and threats.

No, Russia is there because they want to be. Ukraine was far, far away from joining NATO. They have problems, just like Russia. Russia is in Uktraine because Putin is ambitious and wants to recreate the geopolitical power of the former USSR.

Putin's efforts have led the neutral Scandinavian countries to join NATO. He shot himself in the foot in that regard.
I'll ask the same question Tucker asked Putin, why didn't Putin try to take Ukraine 22 years ago ?

Maybe because Russia was a third-world economy at the time and still reeling from corruption and graft. When Putin invaded Georgia, we all watched their military embarrass itself. To Putin's credit, he fixed their military in short order after that and built and war-proofed his economy.

Putin is not stupid and he did a great job of getting Russia back on its feet.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.

I have seen articles saying the UN is funding it and, apparently some NGO's, but not Russia. Do you have any source material for your statement?
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

as we speak, Russia is paying for/facilitating the influx of illegals in to America. The mess America finds itself in today politically, and the constant threat Russia represents are mutually exclusive. We are faced with enemies both foreign and domestic. You seem to have embraced Russia as if it represents a roll model for our country. Neither their end game or their methodology are in our best interests.
Can you give any direct proof of the Russians paying for the influx of illegals. I have never seen anything close. Even from the fake news sources. Just rambling of uninformed individuals. Where did you get this information? Did you have dinner with Schumer and his cronies? Or are you parroting the shadows of your mind?
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propoganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked


Do you believe goading Japan into a war was a good thing? So when exactly was the US "the good guy"?
We have not been since WW2
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propoganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked


Do you believe goading Japan into a war was a good thing? So when exactly was the US "the good guy"?

You misread his post. He said the "US govt is the good guy" was propaganda.
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propaganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked

Also the U.S. Government:

Continues to trade with Germany up until the U.S. population is clammering for war.
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propaganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked

Also the U.S. Government:

Continues to trade with Germany up until the U.S. population is clambering for war.


Confused by this statement.

Are you saying the citizenry was wrong for wanting to go to war or was the gov wrong for allowing the citizenry to push us into war?



Thanks
No just that the government plays both sides of the street.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.

Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues.

The best cover for a spy is to be perceived as being to dumb to be a spy.
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
No just that the government plays both sides of the street.


Ah! Gotcha. Thank you.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propaganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked

Also the U.S. Government:

Continues to trade with Germany up until the U.S. population is clambering for war.


Confused by this statement.

Are you saying the citizenry was wrong for wanting to go to war or was the gov wrong for allowing the citizenry to push us into war?


Thanks

Or were we wrong for trading with Germany?
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.

Just because Putin claimed he believes something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

And even if he does hold a specific belief, that doesn't make it objectively true.
Originally Posted by dassa
How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

America PURCHASED Alaska from Russia. Russia has never questioned that transaction because they got paid very well.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by dassa
How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

America PURCHASED Alaska from Russia. Russia has never questioned that transaction because they got paid very well.

Until recently.

Putin's saber rattling about wanting it back.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by dassa
How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

America PURCHASED Alaska from Russia. Russia has never questioned that transaction because they got paid very well.

Until recently.

Putin's saber rattling about wanting it back.


Taking*
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propoganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked


Do you believe goading Japan into a war was a good thing? So when exactly was the US "the good guy"?

You misread his post. He said the "US govt is the good guy" was propaganda.


My point was, that propaganda was going on a looooog time before WWII...
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by Swamplord
post WWll, the US govt. engaged in the most prolific and most successful propoganda scheme in the entire history of mankind, to twist the minds of it's citizens to believe that

the US govt is .... "We're the good guys"

see those zombies on here quite a bit with their jerky reactions when their strings are yanked


Do you believe goading Japan into a war was a good thing? So when exactly was the US "the good guy"?

You misread his post. He said the "US govt is the good guy" was propaganda.


My point was, that propaganda was going on a looooog time before WWII...

True enough
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????
Originally Posted by bluefish
Now the question is do we belong there fighting a proxy war?

HELL NO...
Now it's Anchorage by April?


You dumb fùckers shouldn't be allowed to breathe.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Now it's Anchorage by April?


You dumb fùckers shouldn't be allowed to breathe.
That sixties era duck and cover training had a lasting impact.
g5m
Quote
I have seen articles saying the UN is funding it and, apparently some NGO's, but not Russia. Do you have any source material for your statement?
I have seen articles saying russia is. Is that source enough for ya? lol

what we do know to be fact is the huge number of military age men from russia and china coming across the border illegally. You can't easily get out of russia without permission. Or china. You can't get to mexico from there to then walk across without more money than most russians have in their pockets. Someone is financing it. I choose to belive putin is setting us up.
Most of the folks here sound like the english and french before WWII. Praising hitler for getting the economy running and the trains on time. Just like putin now. Hmmmmmm
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Now it's Anchorage by April?


You dumb fùckers shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

Freeeeeeeeedom!!!!!! Activate the Alaska militia to fight the invasion from Siberian Russia!!!!!
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
g5m
Quote
I have seen articles saying the UN is funding it and, apparently some NGO's, but not Russia. Do you have any source material for your statement?
I have seen articles saying russia is. Is that source enough for ya? lol

what we do know to be fact is the huge number of military age men from russia and china coming across the border illegally. You can't easily get out of russia without permission. Or china. You can't get to mexico from there to then walk across without more money than most russians have in their pockets. Someone is financing it. I choose to belive putin is setting us up.
Most of the folks here sound like the english and french before WWII. Praising hitler for getting the economy running and the trains on time. Just like putin now. Hmmmmmm

Oh wow.

Off to ignore with you.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
g5m
Quote
I have seen articles saying the UN is funding it and, apparently some NGO's, but not Russia. Do you have any source material for your statement?
I have seen articles saying russia is. Is that source enough for ya? lol

what we do know to be fact is the huge number of military age men from russia and china coming across the border illegally. You can't easily get out of russia without permission. Or china. You can't get to mexico from there to then walk across without more money than most russians have in their pockets. Someone is financing it. I choose to belive putin is setting us up.
Most of the folks here sound like the english and french before WWII. Praising hitler for getting the economy running and the trains on time. Just like putin now. Hmmmmmm

https://capitalresearch.org/article/nonprofits-fueling-the-illegal-immigration-crisis/
https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...y-creating-their-asylum-stories-reports/
You have anything?
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
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Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Now it's Anchorage by April?


You dumb fùckers shouldn't be allowed to breathe.
That sixties era duck and cover training had a lasting impact.

I remember having drills at school where we hid under our desk.... like that would save us from a nuclear blast... lol
Somehow it didn't traumatize me and turn me into a lifelong Putin hater.... I do hate Bolsheviks though... wink
Ok that's it.... time to turn the US into a giant indian reservation.... native lands

Jim is grinning , I am sure of it... smile
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok that's it.... time to turn the US into a giant indian reservation.... native lands

Jim is grinning , I am sure of it... smile

Time to pay reoperations to the Red Man.

They get all the Fire Water it takes to drink themselves to death.
I’ve never been pro Russia, but I’ve also never been as confident that our own government is equally complicit in much of what has gone wrong in the
World in the last 50 years or so.

Someone posted earlier that Putin’s allies are Iran, Noth Korea and China. What country do you suppose refused them a seat at the cool kids lunch table? Why were they refused a position in NATO? Why exclude them from a global missle defense system? The BRICS countries unified out of necessity and look how they are faring sans our support. The US has repeatedly overplayed its hand on the global stage and our CIA is every bit as culpable as the KGB for having committed dastardly deeds around the globe. Our government serves in spite of us not for us. We simply provide the tax base to fund the global exploits while they keep screwing us over and push us closer to the breaking point.

Putin could’ve really teed off on the stupidity of our woke agendas and a dozen other things but kept it professional in my view. I’d like to see credible responses from the US folks where he directed Carlson to “ask them”. Many people have some explaining to do but they’ll be sheltered and coddled by the same system that needs chaos in order to justify its existence.

If anyone believes that Russia couldn’t have forced Ukraine to surrender very rapidly they are misinformed. This confrontation slogs on with minimal effort by Russia to end it by force as Ukraine and most of its people are viewed as Russian to them. They don’t want to wipe out the population and make the landscape barren.

I do wish that Tucker would’ve poised the question of biolabs in Ukraine as the answer would’ve been interesting as would his take on the Covid plandemic or climate change.

At a minimum the interview should have stirred the pot and made some people think. Unfortunately most won’t see it or don’t want to know the truth as ignorance is bliss.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]
Nice straw man. Try responding to the point I made.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Now it's Anchorage by April?


You dumb fùckers shouldn't be allowed to breathe.
That sixties era duck and cover training had a lasting impact.

I remember having drills at school where we hid under our desk.... like that would save us from a nuclear blast... lol
Somehow it didn't traumatize me and turn me into a lifelong Putin hater.... I do hate Bolsheviks though... wink
Because you're smart enough to think for yourself.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]
Nice straw man. Try responding to the point I made.

I did, by demonstrating that your premise was wrong.

Now If we'd truly followed Russia's example, we wouldn't have stopped with the lands of the primitive stone age tribes. We cold of continues through all of Canada, Mexico, and continued south.

Russia's not a nice neighbor. Never has been.

Here's a simple comparrison.

The world longest undefended border is between the US and Mexico.

The worlds longest defended border is between Russia and China. Russia and China are not friends. They might be partners of convince, but not friends.

Russia has more intermedieate range nukes in the east that can reach China then they have ICBM's that can reach the U.S.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]
Nice straw man. Try responding to the point I made.

I did, by demonstrating that your premise was wrong.
Then you completely missed the premise.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]

That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.

So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day.
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?



LOl. Boomers think Putin will secretly steal Alaska. clown world.

Why have over 45,000 US troops invaded and occupied middle eastern and African countries again this year? Because they were originally part of our 13 colonies?

I didn't say that he would secretly steal Alaska, I said that his claim that Ukraine was traditionally part of the Imperial Russian Empire holds true for Alaska just as well.

Please cite your sources for the 45,000 U.S. troops who invaded and occupied Middle Eastern and African countries.
Hillary Clinton told us Russia is the boogyman..... so there is that... hahahahhahahaha
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished.

Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1867 for $7.2M.
Originally Posted by g5m
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]

That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days.

But that would include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania, and the eastern half of Germany.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished.

Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M.
All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.

So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day.

No my argument is that you didn't want to be Roman's neighbor. Rome did not become the worlds largest land empire of it's time through peaceful and purchases. If the border state between you and Rome fell, chances are, you were next.
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?


Ummmm you might want to rethink that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.

So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day.

No my argument is that you didn't want to be Roman's neighbor. Rome did not become the worlds largest land empire of it's time through peaceful and purchases. If the border state between you and Rome fell, chances are, you were next.
I have to agree , your argument is a straw man argument!
During the expansion of the Roman empire prosperity and growth was through pillaging.... the industrial revolution ended that.
Now countries grow through industry and commerce...
Putin said dissolving the USSR was voluntary and they did it with hopes of trading and allying with the West.... but the west rejected them
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?


Ummmm you might want to rethink that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

I guess you missed the part that those conflicts were in Russia's backyard? and most were on their border
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?
The isnt a country on earth that kills and bullies like we do. Russia included!
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?


Ummmm you might want to rethink that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

I guess you missed the part that those conflicts were in Russia's backyard? and most were on their border
Yup. He isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. None of the anti-Russian guys are. Hell, they have aligned with the democrats and rinos. Nuff said
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished.

Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M.
All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief

That is a false dichotomy.

Both can be wrong.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?


Ummmm you might want to rethink that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

Ukraine shares a border and culture with Russia.....
Ukraine shares what with the US?

a hint... for a brain dead leftist, you...... grifting money laundering, that is what the US shares with Ukraine.
If you had a brain and listened to the interview , Putin said it was a way to fleece the American taxpayer...
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.

So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day.

No my argument is that you didn't want to be Roman's neighbor. Rome did not become the worlds largest land empire of it's time through peaceful and purchases. If the border state between you and Rome fell, chances are, you were next.
I have to agree , your argument is a straw man argument!
During the expansion of the Roman empire prosperity and growth was through pillaging.... the industrial revolution ended that.
Now countries grow through industry and commerce...
Putin said dissolving the USSR was voluntary and they did it with hopes of trading and allying with the West.... but the west rejected them

And Putin's a Liar. There was nothing "voluntary" about the dissolution of the Former Soviet Union.
Originally Posted by strosfann
If anyone believes that Russia couldn’t have forced Ukraine to surrender very rapidly they are misinformed. This confrontation slogs on with minimal effort by Russia to end it by force as Ukraine and most of its people are viewed as Russian to them.

Minimal effort?

Most estimates put Russian losses well into the six figures.

Those losses aren’t consistent with minimal effort.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
[quote=Mannlicher]who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.

To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there????

Nice straw man.

Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making.

So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day.

No my argument is that you didn't want to be Roman's neighbor. Rome did not become the worlds largest land empire of it's time through peaceful and purchases. If the border state between you and Rome fell, chances are, you were next.
I have to agree , your argument is a straw man argument!
During the expansion of the Roman empire prosperity and growth was through pillaging.... the industrial revolution ended that.
Now countries grow through industry and commerce...
Putin said dissolving the USSR was voluntary and they did it with hopes of trading and allying with the West.... but the west rejected them

And Putin's a Liar. There was nothing "voluntary" about the dissolution of the Former Soviet Union.[/quote]


I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR?
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?

And every President since FDR including Reagan?
Originally Posted by irfubar
I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR?

Just because a woman lays there while she's getting raped, that doesn't mean it was voluntary.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?

And every President since FDR including Reagan?

I suspect at one time... like during the cold war... Russia was the boogeyman.... times have changed since then and since the roman empire..
I didn't think you were old enough to be a charter member of Fuddsareus?
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR?

Just because a woman lays there while she's getting raped, that doesn't mean it was voluntary.

I have little doubt the useful idiots of the left will take the rape with nary a complaint.... patriots not so much
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by g5m
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

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Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]

That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days.

But that would include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania, and the eastern half of Germany.

It did as far as I can recall. And likely some other areas. It's been a while!
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?


Ummmm you might want to rethink that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

Ukraine shares a border and culture with Russia.....
Ukraine shares what with the US?

a hint... for a brain dead leftist, you...... grifting money laundering, that is what the US shares with Ukraine.
If you had a brain and listened to the interview , Putin said it was a way to fleece the American taxpayer...


Fascinating, but that has nothing to do with your supposition that I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are.
Irfubar nailed it. In this modern world, if a nation needs to compete, it must develop an industrial base, it needs energy, iron, coal, labor and capital. The gas and oil lines to the west from Russian fields went right through an increasingly hostile Ukraine, were Russia's money lifeline. Let's face it Russia is f...ked geographically by immense distances and lack of ice free ports. The US State dept installed the current govt of Ukraine to choke Russia's one steady source of income, sale of gas to Europe. Russia has it's back to the wall. Give Russia an ice free secure port and pipelines, that war would be over in a week.
Go back in history, Roosevelt put Japan against the wall choking off oil and iron. Japan responded at Pearl. The Allies choked Germany after Versailles, Hitler rose to power and responded.
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished.

Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M.
All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief

That is a false dichotomy.

Both can be wrong.

And he's objectively wrong.

The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops.
all those covid jabs really rotted this poor confused covtard boomer's small brain




Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by g5m
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?

And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it?

Quote
Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.

Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199.
I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny.

They started a few years before we did:
[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]

That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days.

But that would include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania, and the eastern half of Germany.
Don't ever forget that Hillary Clinton had no use for Pres. Putin AFTER she made her uranium deal and got her cut:

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?

And every President since FDR including Reagan?
Once again, because you seem confused, Reagan and back was a different time. You just havent learned anything worthwhile in the past 10 years. You are stuck in the cold war still
Originally Posted by plumbum
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Good Russian is an oxymoron.
Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake

If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska.

Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned?
How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia?

How did Alaska stop being part of Russia?

Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished.

Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M.
All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief

That is a false dichotomy.

Both can be wrong.
Yes, both the demonrats and the rinos are wrong. I agree
The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops.[/quote]


Ribka is correct. Your boosters have severely limited your brain processing power lol. So you think our gov is not one of the most corrupt in the world? They have killed millions of people at this point. Directly involved in human trafficking. Wants the opposing party dead or locked up. Brags about killing millions of babies and wants to be able to do it up until the day of birth. Im not a sugar coater. You are a f ucktard
That the Russians have not achieved the objective that they never set out to achieve....they have obviously failed.


Sheesh.....
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol
Originally Posted by gunchamp
The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops.



Ribka is correct. Your boosters have severely limited your brain processing power lol. So you think our gov is not one of the most corrupt in the world? They have killed millions of people at this point. Directly involved in human trafficking. Wants the opposing party dead or locked up. Brags about killing millions of babies and wants to be able to do it up until the day of birth. Im not a sugar coater. You are a f ucktard[/quote]



antelope diaper began pushing the untested dangerous ineffective jab in Marc of 2020 on here


Interesting how many dumb covtards on here are so lacking in history and are so pro endless wars
Originally Posted by ribka
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol

Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.

Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues.
True.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by ribka
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol

Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.

Any alleged secrets learned by Edward Snowden are no longer secret and have no value today. That was the argument used to free jewish spy Jonathan Pollard.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman?

And every President since FDR including Reagan?
Once again, because you seem confused, Reagan and back was a different time. You just havent learned anything worthwhile in the past 10 years. You are stuck in the cold war still

Oh. "It was different."

But it wasn't.

Those who forget history will repeat it.
Putin mopped up the kremlin’s floors with Tucker’s ass.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Putin mopped up the kremlin’s floors with Tucker’s ass.


They should have dumbed down the 2 hour interview to a 10 second tik Tok video so toothoustion could have watched it
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by ribka
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol

Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.


Covtard remind us again how important the untested Pfizer jab was. You rushed right out and got repeated jabs like a good spineless moron and supported tens of thousands of Americans being kicked out of the military, police department, hospitals for not following the dangerous mandate

Covatrd Boomers hate truth, the constitution and free speech and mindless trust and worship bi daddy government . Snowden revealed how much our own government violated our basic constitutional rights and how often the violated the laws. This was the largest most wide spread crime in American history committed by our own government .

What particular document released compromised our security? please reference it
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Putin mopped up the kremlin’s floors with Tucker’s ass.

Hahahaha!


No wonder your family wants nothing to do with you.


Lame.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.


Did it ever occur to you that it might be the other way around? ahh heck..i might as well be debating climate change with a brain washed liberal college girl.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by ribka
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol

Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.
Wow, you really are a f ucking tard. Snowden is a hero. So exposing our gov for massive illegal things they are doing against their own people deserves the death penalty in your f ucked up mind? Eat chit
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by ribka
Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?


Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol

Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.


Covtard remind us again how important the untested Pfizer jab was. You rushed right out and got repeated jabs like a good spineless moron and supported tens of thousands of Americans being kicked out of the military, police department, hospitals for not following the dangerous mandate

Covatrd Boomers hate truth, the constitution and free speech and mindless trust and worship bi daddy government . Snowden revealed how much our own government violated our basic constitutional rights and how often the violated the laws. This was the largest most wide spread crime in American history committed by our own government .

What particular document released compromised our security? please reference it
And the jack ass think snowdem should be put to death. Dudr is a pile of chit and an enemy of any freedom loving true american. No wonder he defended the death shot so hard. Makes sense when you read the trash hes posting
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.


Did it ever occur to you that it might be the other way around? ahh heck..i might as well be debating climate change with a brain washed liberal college girl.
It really amounts to the same with these guys. They are as clueless as a teenage girl lol
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.

Truth.
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption.

Probably the reason U.S. politicians hate him so much. They look at Russias GDNP compared to the United States and wonder why they aren’t billionaires. Lol
Originally Posted by irfubar
We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....

Except to slow down the US efforts to destabilize the Middle East.
I think the best thing Putin said in the interview is why do we need to concern ourselves with Ukraine when we have so many problems at home from our border to an inconceivable debt. The only thing he didnt say was that we have officers in our military dressing up like women and a president who dosent know what month it is. he was kind.
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.
This i agree with 100%
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?
Im not in his mind. Who cares honestly. Are we to believe hes coming for alaska next lol
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?

Based on the Tucker interview my guess would be he was pointing out the historic relevance.

Your argument is typical straw man argument.... even you do not believe Putin will try to take Alaska back.

Then again if we go much further in debt we may have to sell it back to them... lol
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.

We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right?


Russia had just been defeated by Great Britain in the Crimea . They weren't likely to sell Alaska to them ,although GB wanted to buy it from them. They looked to the newly created USA who weren't really interested at first because they had no money. Russia had recently somehow secured areas of China , were interested in that ,so put Alaska up for sale to the Americans in hopes of later taking it back and controlling all of the West Coast , British Canada and the flegling USA ,who also had recently past from a war with GB but was of relatvely little industrial strength,attractive rather for their recent situation with Britain and of whom they remain jealous.
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times.

A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally.

Well you got 1 out of 2 correct…..you are definitely behind the times. 😉

We don’t have allies…we have forced alliances, coerced “friendships” and extorted agreements.
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?

Based on the Tucker interview my guess would be he was pointing out the historic relevance.

Your argument is typical straw man argument.... even you do not believe Putin will try to take Alaska back.

Then again if we go much further in debt we may have to sell it back to them... lol

I find it interesting how you'll question propaganda from just about everyone except the Russians.
Originally Posted by Calvin
I watched it. Sober. Looking forward to some trustworthy commentator’s breaking it down. I am sure plenty will pop up on YouTube.
Originally Posted by Calvin
I watched it. Sober. Looking forward to some trustworthy commentator’s breaking it down. I am sure plenty will pop up on YouTube.
It was sobering to see an intelligent man of immense character and heroic stature exposing reality to the world 153 Million viewers. No mention of his phenomenal transformation of Russia into its proud and powerful position beyond the grasp of Neocon wrecking crews.
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?

Based on the Tucker interview my guess would be he was pointing out the historic relevance.

Your argument is typical straw man argument.... even you do not believe Putin will try to take Alaska back.

Then again if we go much further in debt we may have to sell it back to them... lol

I find it interesting how you'll question propaganda from just about everyone except the Russians.

If I see Russian propaganda I will call it out.... maybe you could point some out for me?
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I know more than enough and there is no parallels between the two other than the ones made up in your head
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard

Would you like to elucidate us in Ukrainian history.

Considering they've been passed around like a coked up hooker at a yacht party it should be right up your alley.
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.
He wouldn't be the first brave hero to be executed.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times.

A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally.

Well you got 1 out of 2 correct…..you are definitely behind the times. 😉

We don’t have allies…we have forced alliances, coerced “friendships” and extorted agreements.



We are being invaded by millions of completely unvetted illegals and our representatives in Congress ignore it, do nothing, show their made-up faces on Faux and are more deeply concerned with sending another $60B to Ukraine. You can't tell me the $100B+ we've already sent couldn't have made a bigger splash than it did. It's my belief the results were not equivalent to $100B+ of armaments. I am completely of the school of thought that more than half that assistance we sent was siphoned off by grifters in our govt and outright thieves in the Ukraine govt.

Why else would the scumbags in DC totally refuse any audit of those funds?
Why else would dirtbags like Schumer, Pelosi, McConnell, etc fly into a war zone (Ukraine)?

We are represented by scumbags that no country in the world trusts to do what they say.

This situation is untenable.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.


What about it Gunchamp?

Since Putin says the sale of Alaska to the US was illegal, should we give it back to Russia?
Putin isnt demanding alaska back. Try again to drum up some more dumb chit to hate the russians for

Where did I use the word "demand"?

So tell us Champ, why is Putin talking about the sale of Alaska being "illegal"?

What's his purpose, and where's he going with this?

It’s obvious where he’s going with it.

Putin’s fixin’ to invade the USA🙄
Antelope Sniper... so this Russian propaganda, you mean like Putin is planning to invade Alaska ?
No Nazi's in Ukraine?
CIA didn't orchestrate a color revolution in Ukraine?
Oh... I know ... Ukraine bio labs... all fake news
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard

Would you like to elucidate us in Ukrainian history.

Considering they've been passed around like a coked up hooker at a yacht party it should be right up your alley.
Would you like to blow me? GFY Covtard

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He's down on drugs homos ,same sex marriages all that bad stuff his Christian religious
Orthodox leaders have told him to use to start wars with the world because they are bad and the Bible warns against. Just like Rome ,off we go down the flusher.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act?

Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left.

IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.
He wouldn't be the first brave hero to be executed.

To 260's question;

No. It's not necessarily treasonous. Dissemination alone doesn't carry the death penalty, but a maximum 10 years and a fine of $10,000, presuming the penalties haven't changes since I was in.

A determination of Treason depends on the context of the dissemination. Leaking the invasion plans for D-Day is probably treason. But information relating to Connotational violations is a much different matter, and (if I'm remembering correctly) SCOTUS said as much during Watergate.
Reading through this thread confirms to me there are too many brainwashed people who dont have a clue.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard

Would you like to elucidate us in Ukrainian history.

Considering they've been passed around like a coked up hooker at a yacht party it should be right up your alley.
Would you like to blow me? GFY Covtard

I'm flattered by the offer, but I don't swing that way. I suggest you PM Big Stick. He'll tape you up and toss you around like a cheap Leupold.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard

Would you like to elucidate us in Ukrainian history.

Considering they've been passed around like a coked up hooker at a yacht party it should be right up your alley.
Would you like to blow me? GFY Covtard

I'm flattered by the offer, but I don't swing that way. I suggest you PM Big Stick. He'll tape you up and toss you around like a cheap Leupold.
Why are you thinking about hookers, Big Stick, and Leupolds? Fugkin weird
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.
I was hoping you knew enough about science to not be a Covtard. GFY, Covtard

Would you like to elucidate us in Ukrainian history.

Considering they've been passed around like a coked up hooker at a yacht party it should be right up your alley.
Would you like to blow me? GFY Covtard

I'm flattered by the offer, but I don't swing that way. I suggest you PM Big Stick. He'll tape you up and toss you around like a cheap Leupold.
Why are you thinking about hookers, Big Stick, and Leupolds? Fugkin weird

Good luck finding your gay sex partner.
Many of the respondents in this thread are testaments to the power of the propaganda effort in the US. With all the clearly visible problems in this country which are getting worse and worse day by day, they want to send billions of dollars of our money to the other side of the world for a war that we're not in.
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Why are you thinking about gay sex, yachts, and coke? Man you’re sick, Covtard Antelope diaper
Has Tucker given any indication of what was in that folder Putin handed him? I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut it wasn't a recap of Russian history.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.

the only ones starting narrative about Alaska are liberal fktards, fearmongering to keep up with the Russki boogeyman bs

Putin/Russia has done absolutely ZERO harm to US citizens, the US govt controlled by the Yids have destroyed the American dream and made slaves of all, including the next 10 generations
Carlson met with Snowden also.
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence. [LIKE LINCOLN THOUGHT ABOUT STATES WHICH WANTED TO PULL OUT FROM THE UNION AS THEY HAD BEEN PROMISED TO BE ABLE TO DO IF THEY JOINED THE UNION?]

He KNOWS the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He KNOWS the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

He KNOWS the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He KNOWS our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections WHICH IS WHY Q SAID THE MILITARY IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD (AS WE SHALL SEE).

He AND WE KNOW the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine AND WE DONT EITHER.
wink
Originally Posted by Swamplord
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.

the only ones starting narrative about Alaska are liberal fktards, fearmongering to keep up with the Russki boogeyman bs

Putin/Russia has done absolutely ZERO harm to US citizens, the US govt controlled by the Yids have destroyed the American dream and made slaves of all, including the next 10 generations

Truth. And the US DOD gave us Covid-19 by way of J Jamin of the CCP by way of Wuhan.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.

Truth.
False

https://news.yahoo.com/posts-falsely-claim-russian-decree-104507969.html
Originally Posted by weagle
Has Tucker given any indication of what was in that folder Putin handed him? I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut it wasn't a recap of Russian history.

Be nice if it was Kilerys 33,000 lost emails. wink
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.

Truth.
False

https://news.yahoo.com/posts-falsely-claim-russian-decree-104507969.html

Houston_2 would rather lie on credit than tell the truth for cash.
Originally Posted by Swamplord
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
How is that question evem remotely relevant to the current situation

I was hoping you knew enough about Ukrainian history to see the parallels between Putin's claim on Ukraine and narrative he's starting around Alaska.

the only ones starting narrative about Alaska are liberal fktards, fearmongering to keep up with the Russki boogeyman bs

Putin/Russia has done absolutely ZERO harm to US citizens, the US govt controlled by the Yids have destroyed the American dream and made slaves of all, including the next 10 generations
Spot on!!
“Houston_2 would rather lie on credit than tell the truth for cash”

Ain’t that the truth, one thing toot/Houston will never be considered is an honest man.

Too many fake user names and too many blatant lies.🤡
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Reading through this thread confirms to me there are too many brainwashed people who dont have a clue.
It's just a food fight. The art of Argument is lost. They throw anything that's handy, but not sure why. It's fun.
It seems to me that Putin ought to have given a historical lecture not on Russias long history with Ukraine but on her revolution since the fall of the iron curtain.

So many ignorant boomers seem to think we’re still dealing with the USSR.

To say nothing of James Baker’s promise not to move NATO 1” further east…
Originally Posted by AKislander
Many of the respondents in this thread are testaments to the power of the propaganda effort in the US. With all the clearly visible problems in this country which are getting worse and worse day by day, they want to send billions of dollars of our money to the other side of the world for a war that we're not in.


I completely agree with this until the last few words.

The should read “…a war that we shouldn’t be in.”

Cuz by God, the former VP’s puppet masters got us in it.
This guy thinks Tucker doesn't listen...

https://politicalmoonshine.com/2024...ice-the-seminal-carlson-putin-interview/
Interesting thread with some odd observations.

For myself...I would trust putin about as far as I would trust biden, not at all.


In the interview his face wasn't saying what his mouth was saying.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Interesting thread with some odd observations.

For myself...I would trust putin about as far as I would trust biden, not at all.


In the interview his face wasn't saying what his mouth was saying.


I trust Putin to do what’s in the best interest of his country which is more than can be said for any ruler in the anglosphere…

Sad state of affairs!
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I am proud to be called a boomer that is behind the times. A Kgb guy who is buddies with Iran and North Korea isn't our ally. No matter what you smart young fellers think. He has laid claim to some of our land as an illegal sale recently. Should we give over our biggest state because he is such a good guy and is understanding. We are the bad guys. But everytime there is a human tragedy anywhere in the world enemy or friend the good old USA sends a hospital ship and millions in resources and aid to come to anyones aid. Nobody else does anything comparable. I agree our hands aren't clean but we give as much or more than anyone else.
Our government people are corrupted but our constitution and the basis for our laws is the best thing ever devised in history.

Truth.
False

https://news.yahoo.com/posts-falsely-claim-russian-decree-104507969.html

Houston_2 would rather lie on credit than tell the truth for cash.

Says the mentality ill man who lies and doesn’t honor his debts.
Originally Posted by Partsman
“Houston_2 would rather lie on credit than tell the truth for cash”

Ain’t that the truth, one thing toot/Houston will never be considered is an honest man.

Too many fake user names and too many blatant lies.🤡

Poor baby. Still chafed and smarting.
Putin made Tucker look like a stooge. That so called interview was the furthest thing in any way related to “professional journalism “.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Putin made Tucker look like a stooge. That so called interview was the furthest thing in any way related to “professional journalism “.
Ok, brother Dickey toot
Gheyghost is lookin for you toot
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Putin made Tucker look like a stooge. That so called interview was the furthest thing in any way related to “professional journalism “.
Putin made Tucker look like a Journalist.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukraine's expense.
How about we keep our soldiers on our continent and be on friendly terms as much as possible with all nations including the resource wealthy country of Russia. You are right, Russia is not our friend and neither is any other country. De Gaulle said it best "France does not have friends, it has interests". That should be us. Our Navy should be used to keep the waterborne sea trade open and what goes on otherwise on other continents we cannot afford to get mixed up in.

You correctly point out the $$$TRILLIONS spent on the war on terror with nothing worthwhile in return.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
we should be forming a rock-solid alliance with Russia, dissuading them from doing the same with China.
Correct; we have a lot of common interest and a lot of commonality.

The central bankers have for over a century been pushing the USA into insolvency by keeping our country through our politicians forever involved in far flung intercontinental military adventures. Now we are 30+ TRILLION down and the central bankers are ready to push for one government for earth which was the goal all along. They couldn't get us in the League of Nations in WW1 but we went hook, line, and sinker for the United Nations and even headquartered it here.
The international Globalists are playing us. Putin is no saint but he’s a nationalist, putting him at odds with the Globalists.

Trump is a nationalist and it’s easy to see an all out effort to destroy him. We just need to know the players and their backers.

We can’t take much on face value. Gotta know who’s pushing what.

It’s a global game. Follow the dollars. I have friends who are missionaries, having spent a good bit of time in Ukraine. They confirm that Ukraine is very corrupt, maybe one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

Their mafia controls about everything. They say Ukraine is even more corrupt than Russia with its own mafia. When they sent containers of supplies for an orphanage, the mafia stole them and they had to be dealt with to get that stuff to the orphans.

Our crooked govt is using Ukraine as a money laundering enterprise. Look at Brandon extorting the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor investigating their family holdings over there.

And that’s just what we know. The military industrial complex lobbies, more and more money for munitions. No one wants peace, war is too lucrative.

So we getting played. People are dying. But the money flows. Money talks..

DF
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.
DF, great post. It sounds spot on. I was hoping Putin would hand over proof of kick backs to the deep state.
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.
Guess it depends on what ya gonna call a “problem”…

It affects us in more than one way, dollars notwithstanding.

“No man is an island”, as the poet so wisely stated.

And as the world gets smaller and smaller, we can’t stick our heads in the sand. The ostrich has his head in the sand, feels so warm and secure. But his arse is in the air, quite exposed to the elements.

DF
I find it interesting that Vlad mentioned dealings with every president.... except Obama... he did mention the CIA backed color revolution in 2014..
Obamas term in office... but no mention of obama, very telling

That article Oldmanofthesea posted was an interesting but difficult read... Putin haters would be wise to read it and open their eyes..

Normies and Fudd boomers have effectively been brainwashed.

In light of the threat of WW111, a possible thermo nuclear war, this was the most important interview of any of our lifetimes.

To dismiss Vlad is a foolish mistake.

It's obvious to me he is fighting the same enemy we are fighting, time to wake up!
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place
Spot on👍
Originally Posted by 2ndwind
DF, great post. It sounds spot on. I was hoping Putin would hand over proof of kick backs to the deep state.
Well, even Putin has to be careful, has to protect his “business” interests. After all, he’s very wealthy.

DF
The supreme commander of the US armed forces discusses the importance of sending US soldiers to Ukraine to help fight the spread of the Soviet Union and to defend democracy

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1756337916660400203?s=46&t=FPXZLpV65l9eMXM9hT6MJA
The Putin haters could win this debate by simply stating how stopping the funding of the proxy war in Ukraine would harm the US.

Antelope Sniper made the ridiculous assertion Putin intends to reclaim Alaska.... he thinks that justifies the proxy war I guess?

I am open to other scenarios... step up Putin haters, tell us the imminent threat we face...

I could go on for pages about the imminent threats we are facing by funding a proxy war with Russia.

I am on record here talking about the world reserve currency and weaponizing the USD as being a real threat, then Putin confirms my suspicions.

So Putin haters , step up
I trust Putin to do what’s in the best interest of his country which is more than can be said for any ruler in the anglosphere…

^^^

Putin dosent have to lie..he dosent need to bullshit his people because he is basically a semi-benevolent dictator. It takes a hell of a man to rule with a hard hand to keep the russian cheating and corrupt rabble in check. Are he and his oligarchs oppressors? yup. Is Bezos any different sitting on his billion dollar yacht while has thousands of workers not earning a living wage?. And the list goes on in the usa!!
If you protest an election by trespassing at the Capitol, while unarmed and being non-destructive, would you get locked up in a dungeon with no rights in the usa? no way we are democratic republic empowered by the people!. We have rights.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Putin made Tucker look like a stooge. That so called interview was the furthest thing in any way related to “professional journalism “.


Ha ha right tootsie-poo:

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He’ll-of-it all Congress agrees. Hide the children. It’s not enough to burn our wealth and destroy our munitions and weapons stockpiles the crazy Bastids want to donate a generation of our kids. I have an idea. Send the 13 Million or so migrants over there with a one way ticket.
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukraine's expense.
How about we keep our soldiers on our continent and be on friendly terms as much as possible with all nations including the resource wealthy country of Russia. You are right, Russia is not our friend and neither is any other country. De Gaulle said it best "France does not have friends, it has interests". That should be us. Our Navy should be used to keep the waterborne sea trade open and what goes on otherwise on other continents we cannot afford to get mixed up in.

You correctly point out the $$$TRILLIONS spent on the war on terror with nothing worthwhile in return.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
we should be forming a rock-solid alliance with Russia, dissuading them from doing the same with China.
Correct; we have a lot of common interest and a lot of commonality.

The central bankers have for over a century been pushing the USA into insolvency by keeping our country through our politicians forever involved in far flung intercontinental military adventures. Now we are 30+ TRILLION down and the central bankers are ready to push for one government for earth which was the goal all along. They couldn't get us in the League of Nations in WW1 but we went hook, line, and sinker for the United Nations and even headquartered it here.
The international Globalists are playing us. Putin is no saint but he’s a nationalist, putting him at odds with the Globalists.

Trump is a nationalist and it’s easy to see an all out effort to destroy him. We just need to know the players and their backers.

We can’t take much on face value. Gotta know who’s pushing what.

It’s a global game. Follow the dollars. I have friends who are missionaries, having spent a good bit of time in Ukraine. They confirm that Ukraine is very corrupt, maybe one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

Their mafia controls about everything. They say Ukraine is even more corrupt than Russia with its own mafia. When they sent containers of supplies for an orphanage, the mafia stole them and they had to be dealt with to get that stuff to the orphans.

Our crooked govt is using Ukraine as a money laundering enterprise. Look at Brandon extorting the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor investigating their family holdings over there.

And that’s just what we know. The military industrial complex lobbies, more and more money for munitions. No one wants peace, war is too lucrative.

So we getting played. People are dying. But the money flows. Money talks..

DF
Damn good post!
Originally Posted by irfubar
The Putin haters could win this debate by simply stating how stopping the funding of the proxy war in Ukraine would harm the US.

Antelope Sniper made the ridiculous assertion Putin intends to reclaim Alaska.... he thinks that justifies the proxy war I guess?

I am open to other scenarios... step up Putin haters, tell us the imminent threat we face...

I could go on for pages about the imminent threats we are facing by funding a proxy war with Russia.

I am on record here talking about the world reserve currency and weaponizing the USD as being a real threat, then Putin confirms my suspicions.

So Putin haters , step up

Why do you think Bukele in El Salvador tried to instigate a change to cryptocurrency for the country? He gave every household an account with a few bucks in it to get it rolling. The operative currency of Salvador is the USD and Salvador's nuts are held by the US Fed. If Salvador does anything that is not in alignment with the US thinking then it threatens to cut Salvador off the SWIFT system, which will bankrupt the country as it cannot conduct trade. The crypto idea didnt work but I can tell you Bukele has no love for the US but he loves Americans, if that makes sense. A good saying is 'never hate you enemy because it affects your judgement'. My dad is 87 and he was trained at a young age to fear and hate the russians. No changing him no matter what.
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.
Dont think you are quite understanding my position. Of course i care that we are wasting billions of my tax dollars in ukraine killing hundreds of thousands of people. I dont want us involved in any bullchit war that isnt a direct result of us being attacked on our homeland. I want the dems stopped, the globalists stopped, the nwo types stopped and any other who are an enemy to freedom and personal rights.
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by irfubar
The Putin haters could win this debate by simply stating how stopping the funding of the proxy war in Ukraine would harm the US.

Antelope Sniper made the ridiculous assertion Putin intends to reclaim Alaska.... he thinks that justifies the proxy war I guess?

I am open to other scenarios... step up Putin haters, tell us the imminent threat we face...

I could go on for pages about the imminent threats we are facing by funding a proxy war with Russia.

I am on record here talking about the world reserve currency and weaponizing the USD as being a real threat, then Putin confirms my suspicions.

So Putin haters , step up

Why do you think Bukele in El Salvador tried to instigate a change to cryptocurrency for the country? He gave every household an account with a few bucks in it to get it rolling. The operative currency of Salvador is the USD and Salvador's nuts are held by the US Fed. If Salvador does anything that is not in alignment with the US thinking then it threatens to cut Salvador off the SWIFT system, which will bankrupt the country as it cannot conduct trade. The crypto idea didnt work but I can tell you Bukele has no love for the US but he loves Americans, if that makes sense. A good saying is 'never hate you enemy because it affects your judgement'. My dad is 87 and he was trained at a young age to fear and hate the russians. No changing him no matter what.

The whole world is starting to hate and resent the US, because as Putin said we print endless money and flood the world with it.
And we use that money for control, who wouldn't resent that?
A major driver of the inflation the world is experiencing is our money printing!!!!
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europeand stipoends that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Every state receives federal funding and stipends funneled back from federal taxes. The fed should not tax anymore than it needs, but that was just a good idea at the time!! now people actually think the government has money. The government, state or federal, has NO money. It is all ours but somehow we lost control of it by the crooks we elected to represent us. 'Democracy' ain't working !.
The BRICS is busy building industries, establishing trading partners , exporting goods, and they are growing....

We produce printed dollars and inflation... and the g7 is shrinking... Putin pointed this out and I have been saying it here for awhile now
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europeand stipoends that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Every state receives federal funding and stipends funneled back from federal taxes. The fed should not tax anymore than it needs, but that was just a good idea at the time!! now people actually think the government has money. The government, state or federal, has NO money. It is all ours but somehow we lost control of it by the crooks we elected to represent us. 'Democracy' ain't working !.

Democracy has never worked.... we are a representative republic
The crony capitalism we are currently operating under is no substitution for capitalism
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.
Dont think you are quite understanding my position. Of course i care that we are wasting billions of my tax dollars in ukraine killing hundreds of thousands of people. I dont want us involved in any bullchit war that isnt a direct result of us being attacked on our homeland. I want the dems stopped, the globalists stopped, the nwo types stopped and any other who are an enemy to freedom and personal rights.

Well we have one man trying to stop this avalanche while he is being attacked on all fronts. We have to support him of course and hopefully he takes Putin's advice to deal with his own house first!! And I hope he appoints Vivek as his chief house cleaner.
Originally Posted by AKislander
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.


Just think about the amount of co2 scrubbing trees that had to be cut down to make that much money. That is like 1/5 of the Amazon rainforest!! Shute our debt is fueling the climate crisis!!
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by weagle
Has Tucker given any indication of what was in that folder Putin handed him? I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut it wasn't a recap of Russian history.

Be nice if it was Kilerys 33,000 lost emails. wink

That would be bolutely splendid and brilliant of Putin to do that
After reading through this thread I am struck by the fact that most still think in binary. Spanish revolution, when many of the left's favorite authors went to "help" One side supported by Germany the other by communist. Didn't mean one side was good and the other bad. WWII Germany bad, Russia good? Consider that both sides may be bad! Is there ever a point when it is not our issue?
Originally Posted by efw
I trust Putin to do what’s in the best interest of his country which is more than can be said for any ruler in the anglosphere…

Sad state of affairs!

Absolutely agree. So much easier to deal with people when they are honest about their intentions rather than deceitful.
This I don't know enough to comment on: Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

The rest I agree 100%
Originally Posted by 673
Putin made Tucker look like a Journalist.

Absolutely agree. They were both very professional in my opinion. Putin came across as very knowledgeable and a very capable leader. Tucker did not interrupt Putin and allowed him to say what needed to be said. Tucker asked some very pertinent questions.
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.
Originally Posted by 2ndwind
DF, great post. It sounds spot on. I was hoping Putin would hand over proof of kick backs to the deep state.

Agree, DF was spot on with his comments. Wouldn’t it be something if that’s what is in the documents Putin gave to Tucker.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

That's a pretty grim picture Hastings..... I'm afraid it's true though
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.
Yeah, ask’em what’s the total bill, total exposure of our unfunded mandates. And that’s in addition to that debt number. Not sure they even know. Don’t reckon they’d want to discuss it.

DF
Originally Posted by irfubar
I find it interesting that Vlad mentioned dealings with every president.... except Obama... he did mention the CIA backed color revolution in 2014..
Obamas term in office... but no mention of obama, very telling

That article Oldmanofthesea posted was an interesting but difficult read... Putin haters would be wise to read it and open their eyes..

Normies and Fudd boomers have effectively been brainwashed.

In light of the threat of WW111, a possible thermo nuclear war, this was the most important interview of any of our lifetimes.

To dismiss Vlad is a foolish mistake.

It's obvious to me he is fighting the same enemy we are fighting, time to wake up!

I noticed the things you mention. I thought Putin was very discreet about the references he made to recent events in Ukraine and his disdain for some of our political figures. I no longer refer to elected officials because I am not sure how many were. Sometimes you have to listen to what is not said.
Originally Posted by Hastings
. . .

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I agree. Meanwhile, while the western world's financially-based system is in crumbling in slow-motion default and inflation, the BRICS nations are building up an economic system based on tangible goods; commodities and industry. And the remaining nations of the world de-dollarize their assets. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see which system will come out on top.
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.
Dont think you are quite understanding my position. Of course i care that we are wasting billions of my tax dollars in ukraine killing hundreds of thousands of people. I dont want us involved in any bullchit war that isnt a direct result of us being attacked on our homeland. I want the dems stopped, the globalists stopped, the nwo types stopped and any other who are an enemy to freedom and personal rights.

Well we have one man trying to stop this avalanche while he is being attacked on all fronts. We have to support him of course and hopefully he takes Putin's advice to deal with his own house first!! And I hope he appoints Vivek as his chief house cleaner.
Agree!!
Originally Posted by irfubar
The BRICS is busy building industries, establishing trading partners , exporting goods, and they are growing....

We produce printed dollars and inflation... and the g7 is shrinking... Putin pointed this out and I have been saying it here for awhile now
Yup, we are witnessing our own country dying and fast. The world around us has figured it out, just not a large portion of our population who still believes what they hear on the 6pm news
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by AKislander
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europe that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.


Just think about the amount of co2 scrubbing trees that had to be cut down to make that much money. That is like 1/5 of the Amazon rainforest!! Shute our debt is fueling the climate crisis!!

We don't actually print money anymore, those trees are safe from that at least.

Nevertheless, your point is well taken; all those electrons running around to create currency electronically could be instead used to charge Teslas!
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Tesoro
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Number of wars in Europeand stipoends that are my problem = 0
Yup!

You dont think it is your problem when billions of your dollars are sent to Ukraine instead of spread out amongst our states...or god forbid, used to pay off our debt! debt created by [bleep] like the ukraine war.

Your whole premise of "spreading dollars" among our states is backwards wrong thinking!!!
They should never have taken those dollars from productive people in the first place

Every state receives federal funding and stipends funneled back from federal taxes. The fed should not tax anymore than it needs, but that was just a good idea at the time!! now people actually think the government has money. The government, state or federal, has NO money. It is all ours but somehow we lost control of it by the crooks we elected to represent us. 'Democracy' ain't working !.

Democracy has never worked.... we are a representative republic
The crony capitalism we are currently operating under is no substitution for capitalism
Libs love to talk about our “democracy”. You’re right, we’re NOT a democracy but a Representative Republic. Libs want to abolish the Electoral College, move toward what our Founders went to great lengths to avoid, mob rule.

Democracy is mob rule. Out Founders carefully crafted the govt to give states certain rights so a few population centers wouldn’t rule over smaller states.

Ya reckon the open border isn’t a conspiracy to flood the country with future Democrat voters? 10-15 mil warm bodies would make a major difference. That’s the population of a number of out smaller states combined. The safety of the country be damned. It’s all about their power at any cost.

If that bunch ever gets the upper hand, the uni-party in firm control, it’s over.

Dr. Ben Franklin’s famous answer, “It’s a Republic if you can keep it” is still in play. Not sure we’re gonna be able to keep it. The jury’s still out on that one.

DF
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

They'd squirm but then start yammering about all their efforts to "reduce the deficit."

I've been saying for years the term "reducing the deficit" is a propaganda tool used to normalize the idea of continual deficit spending. I've run across many people who truly believe debt can be eliminated by "reducing the deficit." The fact that the term "the deficit" exists is normalization of the concept because this year's deficit is not the same as any past years' deficits.

Our system would go into a free-fall collapse without new debt. As it is we're just slowly crumbling -albeit at an ever increasing rate.
Unfortunately, debt is a feature of our monetary system, not a "bug". It's intended to be this way and the only way it will change is to change our monetary system.

End the Fed!
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Unfortunately, debt is a feature of our monetary system, not a "bug". It's intended to be this way and the only way it will change is to change our monetary system.

End the Fed!

Agree that it's not a "bug", but rather than just a feature, it's really the very basis of the system itself.
Originally Posted by AKislander
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Unfortunately, debt is a feature of our monetary system, not a "bug". It's intended to be this way and the only way it will change is to change our monetary system.

End the Fed!

Agree that it's not a "bug", but rather than just a feature, it's really the very basis of the system itself.

True ^^^^
They have convinced everyone debt is wealth. Our dollar is note of debt. They did this when they went off the gold standard!
They have turned our entire economy and financial system into a Ponzi scheme
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Unfortunately, debt is a feature of our monetary system, not a "bug". It's intended to be this way and the only way it will change is to change our monetary system.

End the Fed!
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Unfortunately, debt is a feature of our monetary system, not a "bug". It's intended to be this way and the only way it will change is to change our monetary system.

End the Fed!
There it is! Debt = Wealth no longer works. The FED will not go down meekly. It will have to rot away into irrelevance as Putin’s moral society shows the way along with the BRICs
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One, this was hardly an interview. Putin talked about what he wanted to talk about and Carlson served as his video stenographer. The 'interview' happened in Russia so this is hardly surprising.

Two, the transcript has been available several days. On the premise it is accurate, anybody can read it and form their own opinions.
Originally Posted by kolofardos
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Hilarious!
Anybody here remember just a short while back when Tucker was a pariah and a sellout not to be trusted and singing the “party line”?

Hasn’t been very long ago and now he’s a journalistic genius and hero for getting lectured by Putin.

“As The Campfire Turns” should be a soap opera.
Originally Posted by SargeMO
One, this was hardly an interview. Putin talked about what he wanted to talk about and Carlson served as his video stenographer. The 'interview' happened in Russia so this is hardly surprising.

Two, the transcript has been available several days. On the premise it is accurate, anybody can read it and form their own opinions.

Good summation.
🚂🚂
There’s no reason for Putin to talk with POTUS! Biden isn’t capable of rhetoric which would be conducive to any situation that might go toward a peace accord; he as much as said this in the interview. As far as the expenditure of dollars that is an issue that goes directly to the Republicans for they control the House. Republicans have been a dead horse….IMO…throughout this entire affair! Politically they are suffering from LSD!
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by kolofardos
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Hilarious!
Ya reckon ole Vlad is a politician…..

You ask a politician a direct question, they spin off onto what they want to talk about, often a prepared diatribe to filibuster the subject at hand. Takes some practice, but seasoned ones have it down pretty well.

Filibuster, distract, water down the item on the table. Shift the narrative, reform the conversation. Kinda like a shell game with a magician. Good ones are skilled at distraction, deception, hide the pea, shuffle the shells.

It’s all a big game, never what you expect. Victims end up thinking what they’re programmed to think. Gaslighting taken to new levels.

DF
This is the way interviews are. What you usually see on the TV "news" is a HIGHLY edited and compacted snippet of the whole interview, and that's all the public is allowed to see. Here, you are seeing (apparently) the whole thing
Globalists want to hang Tucker for treason.

They really mad.

I’m sure Tucker is quaking in his boots.

That’s what makes Tucker, Tucker.

DF
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.
Falling because they are sending so many military aged males across our southern (and northern) border.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by kolofardos
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Hilarious!
Ya reckon ole Vlad is a politician…..

You ask a politician a direct question, they spin off onto what they want to talk about, often a prepared diatribe to filibuster the subject at hand. Takes some practice, but seasoned ones have it down pretty well.

Filibuster, distract, water down the item on the table. Shift the narrative, reform the conversation. Kinda like a shell game with a magician. Good ones are skilled at distraction, deception, hide the pea, shuffle the shells.

It’s all a big game, never what you expect. Victims end up thinking what they’re programmed to think. Gaslighting taken to new levels.

DF

Some people see him as the ambitious ex-KGB politician he is. Not enough.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

The American media told Brother Dickey Toot all about it. LOL
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

Again showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about which is easy enough to see just about every time you post.

Laughing !
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

The American media told Brother Dickey Toot all about it. LOL

Well it did come from respected research companies and not from a stupid bastard like you.

There is that to consider.
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Globalists want to hang Tucker for treason.

They really mad.

I’m sure Tucker is quaking in his boots.

That’s what makes Tucker, Tucker.

DF

Same reason the Globalists want to hang Putin.

Tucker has been Co-opted by Trump and the Patriots to help enlighten the people, just as Elon Musk has been added to the Patriots team to effect the Great Awakening.

Here's Larry Fink of Blackrock in April 2022.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/blackrocks-larry-fink-ukraine-war-spells-end-of-globalization/
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

The American media told Brother Dickey Toot all about it. LOL

Well it did come from respected research companies and not from a stupid bastard like you.

There is that to consider.
Why no link, brother Dickey toot?
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

The American media told Brother Dickey Toot all about it. LOL

Well, there is that fact. He swallowed the BS lies with relish because he hopes the destruction of America is coming. It's why he keeps his lying mouth running. grin
Toot toot don’t get discouraged
Originally Posted by SargeMO
One, this was hardly an interview. Putin talked about what he wanted to talk about and Carlson served as his video stenographer. The 'interview' happened in Russia so this is hardly surprising.

Two, the transcript has been available several days. On the premise it is accurate, anybody can read it and form their own opinions.

I see it somewhat differently. Tucker asked Putin why he invaded Ukraine and Putin went into detailed explanation of the history which was relevant to the answer. Tucker was intelligent enough to let Putin have his say knowing to cut him off would have ended the conversation. From what I have seen Putin would have said “You asked me a question. Are you going to let me answer or do we end the interview here?”

Tucker handled it very well in my opinion. He didn’t ask softball questions like what kind of ice cream do you like or do you wear boxers or briefs? He let Putin answer and didn’t challenge his answers. This was an interview where Putin was given the opportunity to explain why he did what he did and why he thought what he thought. It wasn’t a discussion or debate.

If you ask someone what do you think about this or that, they aren’t wrong for telling you what they think. They are only wrong if they lie to you and tell you what someone told them to think. I didn’t get the impression Putin lied.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

The American media told Brother Dickey Toot all about it. LOL

Well, there is that fact. He swallowed the BS lies with relish because he hopes the destruction of America is coming. It's why he keeps his lying mouth running. grin


Jag don’t be angry over someone clearly pointing out to you that you’re mentally unstable and in desperate need of help.

Your posts and your continuing lying are totally telling of your sad, pathetic behavior and condition.

Get help for yourself.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

Again showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about which is easy enough to see just about every time you post.

Laughing !

Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.
Approximately a month ago you stated that bitcoin would collapse tooty because it dropped near 30 k. How is that prediction? lmao


My dog knows more about economics than you



Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

Again showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about which is easy enough to see just about every time you post.

Laughing !

Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.
leave poor old fistcamp alone


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Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by AKislander
Absolutely correct. We're now in debt to the tune of $34 trillion dollars and counting, still more to what is not being counted.
If you want to put your U.S. Senator or Representative in a bad spot go in person to a town hall type meeting and bring up this huge 34 trillion debt and the impending crisis in Social Security. Ask very clearly where does this end. Ask what happens when we default. As if we are in actual default right now. And keep it up with follow up questions when he tries to wiggle out of answering.

The truth is that we are in default now and our days are numbered. This country is now defenseless and being looted by those in charge of world finance. The big push is on to push us off the ledge we are on. There is no way out of the mess we are in.

I think you are confusing us with China. Yes, we have our problems, but the pendulum is swing back and they are more manageable than you believe.


Bro what world are you living in?

China is making stuff with a growing population and minimal entitlements. We have the most entitled population in history that’s addicted to everything that one would offer to destroy a culture.

Amazing.


Wrong.

China’s population is falling. Their property defaults are dragging their economy down sharply and there’s a massive Capital flight from China by foreign investors.

Educate yourself before making stupid assumptions and statements.

Ha ha from the guy who died of COVIDIOCY at fish camp and was resurrected as a sock puppet MSM link poster.

Ok tootsie whatever you say.

Again showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about which is easy enough to see just about every time you post.

Laughing !

Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.
Putin could have said "the sky is blue" and a bunch of you would have gone off the deep end with your anachronistic points of view that have been obsolete for 30 years.

*glub, glub*


The world does not conform tom your pigeonholing schemes, oh ye simpletons.
Did Tucker ask Putin about UFOs?
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by SargeMO
One, this was hardly an interview. Putin talked about what he wanted to talk about and Carlson served as his video stenographer. The 'interview' happened in Russia so this is hardly surprising.

Two, the transcript has been available several days. On the premise it is accurate, anybody can read it and form their own opinions.

I see it somewhat differently. Tucker asked Putin why he invaded Ukraine and Putin went into detailed explanation of the history which was relevant to the answer. Tucker was intelligent enough to let Putin have his say knowing to cut him off would have ended the conversation. From what I have seen Putin would have said “You asked me a question. Are you going to let me answer or do we end the interview here?”

Tucker handled it very well in my opinion. He didn’t ask softball questions like what kind of ice cream do you like or do you wear boxers or briefs? He let Putin answer and didn’t challenge his answers. This was an interview where Putin was given the opportunity to explain why he did what he did and why he thought what he thought. It wasn’t a discussion or debate.

If you ask someone what do you think about this or that, they aren’t wrong for telling you what they think. They are only wrong if they lie to you and tell you what someone told them to think. I didn’t get the impression Putin lied.

Pretty ballsy to ask Putin to release the news person from a Russian prison.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


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Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo
tooty got owned AGAIn. what a pathetic [bleep]




Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo

It’s easy enough to read if you’re not logged in.
I don’t guess you know that.

And did you know that folks can actually pick and choose what they care to read or reply to?

Laughing at your dumb ass!
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo

It’s easy enough to read if you’re not logged in.
I don’t guess you know that.

And did you know that folks can actually pick and choose what they care to read or reply to?

Laughing at your dumb ass!
That’s a phaagut way of doing things smh
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo

It’s easy enough to read if you’re not logged in.
I don’t guess you know that.

And did you know that folks can actually pick and choose what they care to read or reply to?

Laughing at your dumb ass!

You’re an utter retard. You can’t post when you’re not logged in.

It’s amazing. I understand now how you’re a Covidiot Uketard. You don’t just have a different opinion.


You’re retarded.

When ya headed back to fish camp?

When ya gonna catch on to how retarded you look with your super pretend ignore and quit replying?

Just can’t help yerself, can ya?
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Ha ha peekin ass MF got that super pretend ignore goin on

Yer nothing if not a predictable COVTARD Uketard douchenozzle.

More of your stupidity on display yet again.

You’re consistent in bitch slapping yourself.
Priceless entertainment.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Keep replying about “all my posts” super pretend ignore COVTARD uketard dyin at fish camp bitch.

You’re amazing you just can’t help yourself.

Keep showing your ass tootsie-poo

It’s easy enough to read if you’re not logged in.
I don’t guess you know that.

And did you know that folks can actually pick and choose what they care to read or reply to?

Laughing at your dumb ass!

You’re an utter retard. You can’t post when you’re not logged in.

It’s amazing. I understand now how you’re a Covidiot Uketard. You don’t just have a different opinion.


You’re retarded.

When ya headed back to fish camp?

When ya gonna catch on to how retarded you look with your super pretend ignore and quit replying?

Just can’t help yerself, can ya?


You’re foundering and flailing badly.

I’ll try yet again to explain it to your dumb ass.

You’re not logged in but read something that you want to reply to. You then login and post your reply.

I see that you’re still chafed up and smarting about being called out and owned for your stupid post on China.

For your own benefit try to get over it.
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.
Pretend ignore is for phaaguts
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Pretend ignore is for phaaguts


And retarded COVIDIOT Uketards who died at fish camp and resurrected as sockpuppet MSM-link posters who have developed the brilliant system for looking that involves signing in and out… presumably to keep his feelings from being hurt by a mean PM?

I know… giving too much credit to the retard.

But he’ll reply to tell me how brilliant he is, while confirming my assertion he is a retard.
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Pretend ignore is for phaaguts


And retarded COVIDIOT Uketards who died at fish camp and resurrected as sockpuppet MSM-link posters who have developed the brilliant system for looking that involves signing in and out… presumably to keep his feelings from being hurt by a mean PM?

I know… giving too much credit to the retard.

But he’ll reply to tell me how brilliant he is, while confirming my assertion he is a retard.
A fuqktot at that
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Pretend ignore is for phaaguts


And retarded COVIDIOT Uketards who died at fish camp and resurrected as sockpuppet MSM-link posters who have developed the brilliant system for looking that involves signing in and out… presumably to keep his feelings from being hurt by a mean PM?

I know… giving too much credit to the retard.

But he’ll reply to tell me how brilliant he is, while confirming my assertion he is a retard.

Like jag, you really don’t realize how stupid you sound.

But carry on.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.
Gheyghost runs thru you daily stfu
TootieJew is just a troll.

Her family doesn't want anything to do with her either.



Can you imagine why??
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.
Gheyghost runs thru you daily stfu

Says the man that has to scchitt in a #3 washtub after Greyghost got through reaming him out.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Pretend ignore is for phaaguts


And retarded COVIDIOT Uketards who died at fish camp and resurrected as sockpuppet MSM-link posters who have developed the brilliant system for looking that involves signing in and out… presumably to keep his feelings from being hurt by a mean PM?

I know… giving too much credit to the retard.

But he’ll reply to tell me how brilliant he is, while confirming my assertion he is a retard.

Like jag, you really don’t realize how stupid you sound.

But carry on.


Where are your defenders if I’m the one who sounds like a retard?

Keep replying this is great, tootsie-poo!
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Maybe you should watch it before you opine
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

You sir are the most unhappy and miserable person on this site. We all know it.

How can you lecture someone else on intelligence when you yourself are a pathological liar that hides under several different handles and lacks the basic emotional intelligence necessary for social interaction in both your day to day life and on the internet?

If you weren’t such a miserable pathological liar I’d almost feel bad for you.
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

Signing out is a "safe space"
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.
Virtually everyone calls out Tooty.... yet Tooty thinks he isn't the problem... lol
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.
Gheyghost runs thru you daily stfu

Says the man that has to scchitt in a #3 washtub after Greyghost got through reaming him out.
In ur fetish phaagut mind
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity

here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

You sir are the most unhappy and miserable person on this site. We all know it.

How can you lecture someone else on intelligence when you yourself are a pathological liar that hides under several different handles and lacks the basic life skills necessary for social interaction in both your day to day life and on the internet?

If you weren’t such a miserable pathological liar I’d almost feel bad for you.

Lemming, you’re wrong on all points as usual.

Please don’t feel bad.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.

Ummmm a clue Tooty, by claiming you aren't smart proves you are smart!!! claiming you are smart means you lie to yourself and expect others to believe your lies... not smart... wink
Dunning/Krueger at play
Originally Posted by irfubar
Virtually everyone calls out Tooty.... yet Tooty thinks he isn't the problem... lol

Heh!
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Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.


Yep.

You got me.

How many times have you signed in and out now?

And why again? If you’re not ignoring me why have me on ignore?

Oh right. Retard pretend…
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.

Ummmm a clue Tooty, by claiming you aren't smart proves you are smart!!! claiming you are smart means you lie to yourself and expect others to believe your lies... not smart... wink
Dunning/Krueger at play

The mirror is not your friend when you look into it.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.


Yep.

You got me.

How many times have you signed in and out now?

And why again? If you’re not ignoring me why have me on ignore?

Oh right. Retard pretend…

I hope you’ll get past this and that you’ll feel better soon.

Meanwhile educate yourself and read up on China and its problems.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
So you sign in and out to pretend to ignore, and call it something other than pretend ignore.

You just keep sounding more and more retarded every time you post. The best part is how you think you sound intelligent.

Keep it up Tootsie-Poo ya retard.

There’s no pretending at all. I explained it quite clearly to you. I doubt trying to explain it again would help you at all.

Intelligence? A person doesn’t need to be very smart to see your ongoing stupidity here.

You’ve been run through and you did it to yourself with no help from anyone.

Well I don’t claim to be super intelligent but I don’t put people on ignore, sign out to read their posts, sign back in to reply, and then tell everyone I’d stoop to such retardation just to play peekaboo while pretending to ignore.

That right there is retarded in and of itself.

Telling everyone that you do it and saying nana-nana-boo-boo like you dunked on me?

That’s pure retardation man.

But please. Don’t let me stand in your own. Continue!

Own me!

I glad to hear what most here already know that you don’t consider yourself as very smart. You need to know your limitations. That’s good.

You’re foundering and flailing even worse than earlier.

Ummmm a clue Tooty, by claiming you aren't smart proves you are smart!!! claiming you are smart means you lie to yourself and expect others to believe your lies... not smart... wink
Dunning/Krueger at play

The mirror is not your friend when you look into it.

Hahahahah.... you are textbook case of low esteem projection.....
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Maybe you should watch it before you opine

I’ll check it out for sure.
Originally Posted by MadMooner
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Maybe you should watch it before you opine

I’ll check it out for sure.

I personally found it incredibly interesting, I had preconceived opinions and Putin repeated them per verbatim...
So either he was following the same information sources I use and he psyoped me by telling me what I wanted to hear, or my sources are controlled by Russian propaganda, or he was telling the truth... go figure
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.

I suspect Tucker faces much more danger from the swamp than the kremlin
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.

I suspect Tucker faces much more danger from the swamp than the kremlin

Different kind of danger, but yes, The Swamp would love to see him off the air.

Tucker and Putin helped each other with this interview, even with the discussion about the captive journalist. Biden will give Putin way more than we get in any kind of exchange and tucker created an opportunity for that conversation.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.
Oh some hero you are with phaggy ignore 🥴
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

Sign in, sign out retard.

Then sign in again to send me a PM with all yer sources.
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.

A legend in his own mind
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.

I suspect Tucker faces much more danger from the swamp than the kremlin

Different kind of danger, but yes, The Swamp would love to see him off the air.

Tucker and Putin helped each other with this interview, even with the discussion about the captive journalist. Biden will give Putin way more than we get in any kind of exchange and tucker created an opportunity for that conversation.

Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist
Robert Kennedy speaks the truth regarding Ukraine and US involvement
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.

You are wrong yet again which is your habit.

efw made a fool of himself without any needed consensus whatsoever and continues to do so.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.

You are wrong yet again which is your habit.

efw made a fool of himself without any needed consensus whatsoever and continues to do so.
Your a habitual phaagut
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink

Pffffft.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink


She thrives on the abuse.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink

Pffffft.
Tooty if you got to fart keep it to ur self
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink

Pffffft.
Tooty if you got to fart keep it to ur self

Likely a queef.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.

You are wrong yet again which is your habit.

efw made a fool of himself without any needed consensus whatsoever and continues to do so.

Tooty. How many people died from the deadly Covid today??
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by efw
PM me some links; I know you’re good at finding MSM sources to support yer retardation.

You can do that cuz I don’t have you on retard pretend ignore.

Haven’t had to sign in or out once in this enlightening g exchange!

When’s yer next trip to fish camp tootsie-poo?

Keep acting like ya sign in and out to pretend to ignore me oh brilliant one!


Disallowing folks like you to make a total fool of themselves would be morally wrong.

I’m happy to have done my part and with your willing assistance, no less.

To make a fool of someone implies that the general consensus is that you made a fool of them.

The overwhelming majority of people here and no doubt in real life believe that it’s you that is the fool.

You are wrong yet again which is your habit.

efw made a fool of himself without any needed consensus whatsoever and continues to do so.

Tooty. How many people died from the deadly Covid today??

Hahahaha gawd I miss the daily tooty covid death tally.....
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.
Toot was as right about the covid as he is about ukraine.... killin it... lmao
Kennedy said the same thing Putin did in less time
Originally Posted by reivertom
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.

You may be 100% correct about Putin / Zelensky... we really have no way of truly knowing.
About caring who wins, is why i posed the question several times that nobody seems to want to answer, how does Ukraine losing affect us?
Versus how does our continued funding of the war affect us? and what is worse?
Originally Posted by duke61
Kennedy said the same thing Putin did in less time

So... will the Russia haters be along shortly and tells us Kennedy is compromised by the Russians also?
They told us Trump was.... until he wasn't.... hahahahahhaha collusion, hey where is JeffO?
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.

I suspect Tucker faces much more danger from the swamp than the kremlin

Different kind of danger, but yes, The Swamp would love to see him off the air.

Tucker and Putin helped each other with this interview, even with the discussion about the captive journalist. Biden will give Putin way more than we get in any kind of exchange and tucker created an opportunity for that conversation.

Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Good point. AS point is worthless.

He wants Putin destroyed. As it is we are currently headed to WW3. If we drop Ukraine on its ass then we would actually see if Putin is planning on taking Alaska, or Poland for that matter which would justify WW3. IOW, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain by flushing Ukraine.

It ain't exactly Rocket Science.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by MadMooner
I haven’t taken the time to watch yet, but can pretty much guarantee two things.

Tucker asked only screened pre-approved questions and Putin is full of schit.

Putin and Zelensky deserve each other.

Not exactly, but Putin put Tucker on notice when he mocked Tucker on his failed attempt to get into the CIA.

I suspect Tucker faces much more danger from the swamp than the kremlin

Different kind of danger, but yes, The Swamp would love to see him off the air.

Tucker and Putin helped each other with this interview, even with the discussion about the captive journalist. Biden will give Putin way more than we get in any kind of exchange and tucker created an opportunity for that conversation.

Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Good point. AS point is worthless.

He wants Putin destroyed. As it is we are currently headed to WW3. If we drop Ukraine on its ass then we would actually see if Putin is planning on taking Alaska, or Poland for that matter which would justify WW3. IOW, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain by flushing Ukraine.

It ain't exactly Rocket Science.
Thanks brother Jag for answering my question... concise and spot on!
I used to watch Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel all the time, and he said many times that Russia was going (attempt) to take Alaska back, and that was going to be the final battle.
Interesting, that was 30 years ago.
Originally Posted by 673
I used to watch Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel all the time, and he said many times that Russia was going (attempt) to take Alaska back, and that was going to be the final battle.
Interesting, that was 30 years ago.

Well they will get Big Stick in the deal... fair trade.... smile
Man, the anit-russia pro ukraine crowd is as dumb and unhinged as the left. You guys are so full of incorrect info, its hard to tell the difference between you 2
For 50 years this country has been sticking its nose into places it shouldn't have been stuck! And now....we're pore assed broke and have s hit to show for it except the entire world is kicking at our ass!!
You guys are running lock step with your boy biden. Something to be proud if for sure
Covtards are Uktards first cousin... smile
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
For 50 years this country has been sticking its nose into places it shouldn't have been stuck! And now....we're pore assed broke and have s hit to show for it except the entire world is kicking at our ass!!
Yup
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by 673
I used to watch Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel all the time, and he said many times that Russia was going (attempt) to take Alaska back, and that was going to be the final battle.
Interesting, that was 30 years ago.

Well they will get Big Stick in the deal... fair trade.... smile
No invading Country deserves that. laugh
Putin just told us what what we know deep down in our hearts to be true: that our elected leaders are not listening to us and they are not serving us---that they are overriding us and dispossessing us of our country. And yet, some of you join with the forces of the Deep State...you join the chorus of chants calling for Putin's demise. All they had to do is tell you the boogeyman who died in 1989 is coming to get you.

That's pathetic.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Putin just told us what what we know deep down in our hearts to be true: that our elected leaders are not listening to us and they are not serving us---that they are overriding us and dispossessing us of our country. And yet, some of you join with the forces of the Deep State...you join the chorus of chants calling for Putin's demise. All they had to do is tell you the boogeyman who died in 1989 is coming to get you.

That's pathetic.
Spot on! They really are pathetic!
Pro's of continuing to fund Ukraine

1. Politicians can launder more money
2 Military industrial complex gets richer and more powerful
3. Putin uses all his bombs
4. Zelensky gets a new pad in Dubai
5. Zelensky gets a new yacht
6. Possible loss/humiliation for Russia, possibly
7. Ukraine retains territory, possibly



Cons of funding Ukraine

1. WW3, possibly
2. Nuclear fall out, possibly
3. Nazi remain in power
4. Everybody forgets about Hunter Biden
5. The USD loses reserve currency status, likely
5. Our economy collapses, possibly
6. More people die
7. The world shuns trade with us and pivots to BRICS, possibly
8. Our munitions are depleted
9. More inflation, likely
10. We are on the wrong side of history/world hates us
11. Energy prices in Europe spike
12. Energy prices in the US spike
13. Food prices spike
14. Civil unrest, around the world and here
15. Putin still wins, possibly
16. Humiliation, possibly
17. Politicians get wealthy
18. Military industrial complex gets wealthy
19. Increased terror attacks
20. Tax's spike

Feel free to add to list if I forgot anything.... and you are welcome Antelope Sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by 673
I used to watch Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel all the time, and he said many times that Russia was going (attempt) to take Alaska back, and that was going to be the final battle.
Interesting, that was 30 years ago.

Well they will get Big Stick in the deal... fair trade.... smile
Them Ruskies don’t wanna mess with Stick.

DF
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Holy fugck!

I'm on the first page of this thread and I can already tell what you're about.
Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
1. I don't see Russia as our friend but apparently some seem to believe that.
2. Europe put themselves under Putin's boot by becoming energy dependant on him. So the war gave them every opportunity to cut their ties and they should do so.
3. If Putin takes all of Ukraine, then every border state becomes the next target.
4. If the war is allowed to expand, at some point in time NATO becomes involved and that WILL directly involve the US with US soldiers on the ground.
5. We spent more than $8 Trillion on the war on terror and got nothing in return and a heavy loss of life and critically wounded US soldiers. So, a $150 billion is a very small price to pay to ensure the Russian military is decimated and that Putin is eventually assassinated or removed from office by the oligarchs who are running the country.
6. The war has been a Master Class on modern warfare and many of our preconceived notions on fighting a modern adversary has been rocked to the core. Might as well learn a few things at Ukrain's expense.

Holy fugck!

I'm on the first page of this thread and I can already tell what you're about.


Yep.


Probably AS's sock puppet.
Toot toot has hauled ass as usual
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
For 50 years this country has been sticking its nose into places it shouldn't have been stuck! And now....we're pore assed broke and have s hit to show for it except the entire world is kicking at our ass!!


More like a hundred years +.
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Toot toot has hauled ass as usual


I'm afraid that is my fault brother earlybrd.... I seem to have that affect on people , A.S. checked out as well.... frown
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink
He probably already has you on ignore. Try sending him a PM.


THIS ^^^^^^^

Its the frukin truth. We have shafted Russia to stimulate the post war economy. Eisenhower predicted it. Now you know we [bleep] the Ruskys to make $$$
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by irfubar
Ok Tooty , we get it.... you are right and everybody else is wrong, you win.... now just put everybody on ignore and this will be settled..
You can thank me later... wink
He probably already has you on ignore. Try sending him a PM.
No ignore... yet
Fruity tooty loves me , he likes abuse
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by earlybrd
Toot toot has hauled ass as usual


I'm afraid that is my fault brother earlybrd.... I seem to have that affect on people , A.S. checked out as well.... frown
👍👍
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Globalists want to hang Tucker for treason.

They really mad.

I’m sure Tucker is quaking in his boots.

That’s what makes Tucker, Tucker.

DF

Same reason the Globalists want to hang Putin.

Tucker has been Co-opted by Trump and the Patriots to help enlighten the people, just as Elon Musk has been added to the Patriots team to effect the Great Awakening.

Here's Larry Fink of Blackrock in April 2022.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/blackrocks-larry-fink-ukraine-war-spells-end-of-globalization/

Larry the Fink;
“I remain a long-term believer in the benefits of globalization and the power of global capital markets,” Fink wrote. “Access to global capital enables companies to fund growth, countries to increase economic development, and more people to experience financial well-being.”
smile
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by reivertom
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.

You may be 100% correct about Putin / Zelensky... we really have no way of truly knowing.
About caring who wins, is why i posed the question several times that nobody seems to want to answer, how does Ukraine losing affect us?
Versus how does our continued funding of the war affect us? and what is worse?

Let me try. First off, Ukraine has already lost. The profiteering putters on. You will need to expand your horizons if you honestly think there is any similarity between a comedian playing piano with his penis, and a heroic leader of immense character, intelligence, and skill who ripped his country from the hands of predatory vultures to restore it to its proud position as a great world power. War against Russia is war against nationalist identity and individual freedoms as espoused by the ancient Orthodox Christian faith, similar to the underlying philosophy of America's founding fathers. As such, it is a war against everything America stands for, supposedly. Ukraine loses, the American Empire loses too. But we the people win. War against Russia is war against sound money, free markets, and vigorous cooperation in a multipolar world. In other words it's all about propping up the debased US Dollar, and US hegemony, that has been backed by threat of military violence. That paradigm has run out of steam, so the New World Order is DOA. This is good for us. Continued funding impoverishes us further. It kills more Ukrainians, over 500,000 dead already. Ukraine losing means the end of NATO, a forgone conclusion. We will be poorer in the short term and may never recover any semblance of past economic vigor. Eventually Europe, led by Germany, will naturally align with Russia in mutually beneficial cooperation. The US used the war to prevent that from happening. It blew up the pipeline, and tried to weaken Russia in order for the Neocons and Oligarchs to break it up and rob its vast resources. That has failed. That class of warmongers have impoverished us with their dirty wars for too long. Now they are severely weakened. This is good for America. Coincidentally, the strategic defeat of Zionism and ultimate weakening of Israeli control over US weakens the same characters, and will help usher in major changes in how we think and operate. Maybe some decent leaders will appear to make the most of it.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by reivertom
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.

You may be 100% correct about Putin / Zelensky... we really have no way of truly knowing.
About caring who wins, is why i posed the question several times that nobody seems to want to answer, how does Ukraine losing affect us?
Versus how does our continued funding of the war affect us? and what is worse?

Let me try. First off, Ukraine has already lost. The profiteering putters on. You will need to expand your horizons if you honestly think there is any similarity between a comedian playing piano with his penis, and a heroic leader of immense character, intelligence, and skill who ripped his country from the hands of predatory vultures to restore it to its proud position as a great world power. War against Russia is war against nationalist identity and individual freedoms as espoused by the ancient Orthodox Christian faith, similar to the underlying philosophy of America's founding fathers. As such, it is a war against everything America stands for, supposedly. Ukraine loses, the American Empire loses too. But we the people win. War against Russia is war against sound money, free markets, and vigorous cooperation in a multipolar world. In other words it's all about propping up the debased US Dollar, and US hegemony, that has been backed by threat of military violence. That paradigm has run out of steam, so the New World Order is DOA. This is good for us. Continued funding impoverishes us further. It kills more Ukrainians, over 500,000 dead already. Ukraine losing means the end of NATO, a forgone conclusion. We will be poorer in the short term and may never recover any semblance of past economic vigor. Eventually Europe, led by Germany, will naturally align with Russia in mutually beneficial cooperation. The US used the war to prevent that from happening. It blew up the pipeline, and tried to weaken Russia in order for the Neocons and Oligarchs to break it up and rob its vast resources. That has failed. That class of warmongers have impoverished us with their dirty wars for too long. Now they are severely weakened. This is good for America. Coincidentally, the strategic defeat of Zionism and ultimate weakening of Israeli control over US weakens the same characters, and will help usher in major changes in how we think and operate. Maybe some decent leaders will appear to make the most of it.

Bravo... I am impressed thank you!
Carlson's a trust fund baby with CIA connections.

Keep both hands over your ass.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Carlson's a trust fund baby with CIA connections.

Keep both hands over your ass.
The connection -> his Dad .
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Globalists want to hang Tucker for treason.

They really mad.

I’m sure Tucker is quaking in his boots.

That’s what makes Tucker, Tucker.

DF

Same reason the Globalists want to hang Putin.

Tucker has been Co-opted by Trump and the Patriots to help enlighten the people, just as Elon Musk has been added to the Patriots team to effect the Great Awakening.

Here's Larry Fink of Blackrock in April 2022.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/blackrocks-larry-fink-ukraine-war-spells-end-of-globalization/

Larry the Fink;
“I remain a long-term believer in the benefits of globalization and the power of global capital markets,” Fink wrote. “Access to global capital enables companies to fund growth, countries to increase economic development, and more people to experience financial well-being.”
smile

Yep, it ain't really all that hard to connect the dots if one thinks a bit without swallowing the MSM BS.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Man, the anit-russia pro ukraine crowd is as dumb and unhinged as the left. You guys are so full of incorrect info, its hard to tell the difference between you 2

Truth. They are experts on the BS the MSM has fed them.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Covtards are Uktards first cousin... smile

Hahaha. Tff. Winner, winner....
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
For 50 years this country has been sticking its nose into places it shouldn't have been stuck! And now....we're pore assed broke and have s hit to show for it except the entire world is kicking at our ass!!
Yup

Hey, Larry Fink and Vanguard and Fidelity and Wall Street need to keep the gears of the Military Industrial Complex running.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Putin just told us what what we know deep down in our hearts to be true: that our elected leaders are not listening to us and they are not serving us---that they are overriding us and dispossessing us of our country. And yet, some of you join with the forces of the Deep State...you join the chorus of chants calling for Putin's demise. All they had to do is tell you the boogeyman who died in 1989 is coming to get you.

That's pathetic.

It's called leading the people from Dark to Light. We are watching the Great Awakening. It's going to be Biblical. grin
Originally Posted by reivertom
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.

Rong.
https://cne.news/article/2206-zelensky-takes-further-steps-against-ukrainian-orthodox-church

Iirc, the number of Russian Orthodox Church has added 7,000 churches under Putin's reign.

Zelensky is the beloved stepchild of the Clowns In America who are the strong arms of the Illuminous Globalists Satanic NWO Cabal.

He'll, Putin is killing Zelensky and the NWO Cabals Nazis in Ukraine. This is after Ukraine's military has killed thousands of Ukrainian Russians since 2014.

You may wish to remember the tens of millions of Russian civilians killed by them in the previous world wars.

Remember when it started? The Khazarian Mafia, descendants of the Kenites, descendants of Cain, "the murderer from the beginning" gathered and killed the King of Prussia and his family. From there they moved into Great Britain where they killed Cromwell and took over the Bank of England.

As Trump said, we are in the Final Battle.

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Originally Posted by Tesoro


THIS ^^^^^^^

Its the frukin truth. We have shafted Russia to stimulate the post war economy. Eisenhower predicted it. Now you know we [bleep] the Ruskys to make $$$

How do we know that Russia isn't doing the same? They sell plenty of arms too.

We can't have the only military business problem in the world.

I think it's fair to say that the USSR had a pretty good military business going on, and Putin wants to reestablish a Russia-centered geopolitical counterweight to the west.
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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.


All points except the last two are bull crap rhetoric to justify his aggression.

Russian gas always lacked an all season port. They want to make Crimea with Sebastopol contiguous with Russia. Then they can control all exports from Ukraine especially wheat and oil.

China has only one economic advantage- cheap labor. They are on the verge of losing that as their population collapses over the next 30 years. They will have 50% less people and lose the cheap labor. India will surpass them economically.

I’ll give him the last two points.
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
I too have mostly respected and agreed with Hatari’s position on the issues but in this instance I think rainshot is correct.
Originally Posted by rainshot
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
Nailed it, ya did.
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.


All points except the last two are bull crap rhetoric to justify his aggression.

Russian gas always lacked an all season port. They want to make Crimea with Sebastopol contiguous with Russia. Then they can control all exports from Ukraine especially wheat and oil.

China has only one economic advantage- cheap labor. They are on the verge of losing that as their population collapses over the next 30 years. They will have 50% less people and lose the cheap labor. India will surpass them economically.

I’ll give him the last two points.

You are not wrong.
Originally Posted by rainshot
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
All true. Unless you break out the Empire's national interest from we duh peepull national interest. Opposites. The tragedy of Ukraine is the sinful waste of life our Empire goaded it into. Putin is standing up for all the people. The Empire's interests have suffered serious defeat in favor of the people. That's the only good, if unintentional outcome.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.


All points except the last two are bull crap rhetoric to justify his aggression.

Russian gas always lacked an all season port. They want to make Crimea with Sebastopol contiguous with Russia. Then they can control all exports from Ukraine especially wheat and oil.

China has only one economic advantage- cheap labor. They are on the verge of losing that as their population collapses over the next 30 years. They will have 50% less people and lose the cheap labor. India will surpass them economically.

I’ll give him the last two points.

You are not wrong.
Both of you Covtards are wrong. Congrats LOL
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by rainshot
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
Nailed it, ya did.

X2
I don't know why people are struggling to understand the interview, and need some "professional" to explain it. Putin was clear to me.

There was one part that was disappointing to me though. Putin handed Tucker (copies of) some important Russia historical documents, after explaining their importance. Tucker was "ya, whatever" and basically tossed them aside. That was pretty fug'n flippant and disrespectful on Tucker's part. They were obviously important to Putin (and Russians) and he explained why. Tucker should have shown more respect.
Originally Posted by SupFoo
I don't know why people are struggling to understand the interview, and need some "professional" to explain it. Putin was clear to me.

There was one part that was disappointing to me though. Putin handed Tucker (copies of) some important Russia historical documents, after explaining their importance. Tucker was "ya, whatever" and basically tossed them aside. That was pretty fug'n flippant and disrespectful on Tucker's part. They were obviously important to Putin (and Russians) and he explained why. Tucker should have shown more respect.


Agreed.
Same here. Tucker acted like he thought it was going to be a classic interview. Putin took the opportunity to school the audience.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Compiled by another:

Putin believes that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and it's independent existence is only tolerable if the country is firmly in Russia's sphere of influence.

He believes the CIA engineered a coup that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine and replaced it with a western puppet regime in 2014.

He believes the modern nationalist Ukrainian state draws from the legacy of Nazi collaboration during WWII and poses a direct threat to Russian national security. Removing this particular nationalist influence is a key goal of the military operation, which he seeks to achieve through negotiation.

Russia expressed interest in joining NATO during the Clinton administration but was rejected. This lead Russia to feel geopolitically isolated and cut off from the whole western project.

He believes the west is obsessed with weakening Russia as much as possible and that NATO is nothing more than an anti-Russian alliance.

Putin thinks China is now more powerful than the United States and more relevant.

He believes our government is controlled by an entrenched bureaucracy that cannot be changed through elections.

He believes the US and European Union are extorting taxpayers to fund Ukraine's war. He sees no reason why the US continues to support Ukraine.


All points except the last two are bull crap rhetoric to justify his aggression.

Russian gas always lacked an all season port. They want to make Crimea with Sebastopol contiguous with Russia. Then they can control all exports from Ukraine especially wheat and oil.

China has only one economic advantage- cheap labor. They are on the verge of losing that as their population collapses over the next 30 years. They will have 50% less people and lose the cheap labor. India will surpass them economically.

I’ll give him the last two points.

You are not wrong.
Yes he is
Originally Posted by rainshot
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
Great post!
Originally Posted by rainshot
Same here. Tucker acted like he thought it was going to be a classic interview. Putin took the opportunity to school the audience.

Putin's and excellent propogandist.

The CIA propaganda on YouTube is fun to watch, but those buffoons really need to watch Putin's interview and take notes.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by rainshot
hatari I respect you but you do need to look at the history and what Ukraine has devolved into. We created the insanity in ukraine by meddling in their election. Zalenskyy ran on a platform of peace with Russia while attacking Russian speaking citizens in ethnic regions of Ukraine committing genocide. At our behest Zalenskyy broke the Minsk agreements . We sponsored Ukraine into NATO. Bio Labs on Russia's doorstep. The threat of American armament on his doorstep pointed at Moscow. The entire thing stinks of CIA meddling and money laundering by our government. We are not the good guys here.

As for Crimea, it is already annexed and Russia doesn't need to take it. Dontesk and Luhansk have been annexed because of the murder and torture of ethnic Russians. Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. It is a fight we have no business taking sides on. It has nothing to do with our national interests.
Great post!

Except for the part where he ignored the actives of Vagnera in Dontesk.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by reivertom
Zelensky is the same as Putin, but just has a smaller country and less power. I don't care who wins this war.

You may be 100% correct about Putin / Zelensky... we really have no way of truly knowing.
About caring who wins, is why i posed the question several times that nobody seems to want to answer, how does Ukraine losing affect us?
Versus how does our continued funding of the war affect us? and what is worse?

Let me try. First off, Ukraine has already lost. The profiteering putters on. You will need to expand your horizons if you honestly think there is any similarity between a comedian playing piano with his penis, and a heroic leader of immense character, intelligence, and skill who ripped his country from the hands of predatory vultures to restore it to its proud position as a great world power. War against Russia is war against nationalist identity and individual freedoms as espoused by the ancient Orthodox Christian faith, similar to the underlying philosophy of America's founding fathers. As such, it is a war against everything America stands for, supposedly. Ukraine loses, the American Empire loses too. But we the people win. War against Russia is war against sound money, free markets, and vigorous cooperation in a multipolar world. In other words it's all about propping up the debased US Dollar, and US hegemony, that has been backed by threat of military violence. That paradigm has run out of steam, so the New World Order is DOA. This is good for us. Continued funding impoverishes us further. It kills more Ukrainians, over 500,000 dead already. Ukraine losing means the end of NATO, a forgone conclusion. We will be poorer in the short term and may never recover any semblance of past economic vigor. Eventually Europe, led by Germany, will naturally align with Russia in mutually beneficial cooperation. The US used the war to prevent that from happening. It blew up the pipeline, and tried to weaken Russia in order for the Neocons and Oligarchs to break it up and rob its vast resources. That has failed. That class of warmongers have impoverished us with their dirty wars for too long. Now they are severely weakened. This is good for America. Coincidentally, the strategic defeat of Zionism and ultimate weakening of Israeli control over US weakens the same characters, and will help usher in major changes in how we think and operate. Maybe some decent leaders will appear to make the most of it.


Simply put:
Why bring a "perfectly good war" to its logical conclusion when so many people politicians are increasing their wealth and power at such an astounding rate?
...and the beat goes on.

The EU is pushing all these green fantasies, dispossessing farmers, stripping people of whatever illusion of security they may have held and spreading the ideals of a dystopian future that would make Orwell faint---and pushing that bullshit across the Atlantic onto our own shores. Meanwhile, Putin is alleged to be the aggressor and the force for evil in the world because he's resisting this very thing for his own homeland, and all based on the history of a regime that's been gone for three decades.

Take a look at what this force emanating from the EU has done to the USA in three decades.

Now tell me who the enemy is.

The myopia here is beyond astounding.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Grow up sunshine.

I'm not evil, I'm a realist. The two greatest forces that has lifted more people out of poverty are Capitalism mixed with mostly free trade. To the extent we are able to cooperate with other nations on such terms, that' my first choice. Unfortunately, you can only be reasonable with reasonable people, and the Russian oligarchs are neither capitalist, free traders, nor reasonable.

You see this as an isolated event, but it's not. It's just he latest and bloodies in a near continuous series of (I've lost count of how many) proxy wars we've fought against the Russians since the close of WWII.

It's not a question if IF we fight the Russians, it's a question of when, where and how. When you look at he ROI of what we spend relative to what he gain in degradation of Russian capabilities, increase in the capabilities of us and our allies relative to our expenditures in blood and treasure, this is bargain.
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Interesting hearing both sides. I must admit I subscribe more to gunchamps point of view... seems in the guise of self defense we have become the aggressors.
Post cold war Russia , post Bolshevik control, they seem to have become much more defensive than offensive.
During the cold war I also believe they were a paper tiger, it served the military industrial complex to have them as a perceived threat. Keep that money flowing in.
I believe since the maturity of the industrial age many countries have decided trade, production and good relations is a much better path.
That being said I don't believe Muslim subscribe to that plan, they are theological and need to conquer the infidels, that explains Hamas and other terror organizations.
Bottom line is our politicians have sold out our manufacturing base, natural resource production, taxed and regulated our labor force almost out of existence.
Our own government has become a much bigger threat to us than foreign actors.
How about we bring our forces home. Tell everyone you attack us we will level your country. No aid to rebuild nothing, scorched earth.
Want peaceful trade with us? yep all day long with trade balance, possible tariffs etc...a fair and level playing field.
A.S. your cold war mentality is out dated I believe. And your plan only works in the hands of good and fair people, we are no longer that!!!!
Originally Posted by RiverRider
...and the beat goes on.

The EU is pushing all these green fantasies, dispossessing farmers, stripping people of whatever illusion of security they may have held and spreading the ideals of a dystopian future that would make Orwell faint---and pushing that bullshit across the Atlantic onto our own shores. Meanwhile, Putin is alleged to be the aggressor and the force for evil in the world because he's resisting this very thing for his own homeland, and all based on the history of a regime that's been gone for three decades.

Take a look at what this force emanating from the EU has done to the USA in three decades.

Now tell me who the enemy is.

The myopia here is beyond astounding.

More than one bad thing can be true at the same time.

Biden bad: True.

Greenies crazy: True.

US border a disaster: True.

None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
...and the beat goes on.

The EU is pushing all these green fantasies, dispossessing farmers, stripping people of whatever illusion of security they may have held and spreading the ideals of a dystopian future that would make Orwell faint---and pushing that bullshit across the Atlantic onto our own shores. Meanwhile, Putin is alleged to be the aggressor and the force for evil in the world because he's resisting this very thing for his own homeland, and all based on the history of a regime that's been gone for three decades.

Take a look at what this force emanating from the EU has done to the USA in three decades.

Now tell me who the enemy is.

The myopia here is beyond astounding.
This man gets it!!!
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Interesting hearing both sides. I must admit I subscribe more to gunchamps point of view... seems in the guise of self defense we have become the aggressors.
Post cold war Russia , post Bolshevik control, they seem to have become much more defensive than offensive.
During the cold war I also believe they were a paper tiger, it served the military industrial complex to have them as a perceived threat. Keep that money flowing in.
I believe since the maturity of the industrial age many countries have decided trade, production and good relations is a much better path.
That being said I don't believe Muslim subscribe to that plan, they are theological and need to conquer the infidels, that explains Hamas and other terror organizations.
Bottom line is our politicians have sold out our manufacturing base, natural resource production, taxed and regulated our labor force almost out of existence.
Our own government has become a much bigger threat to us than foreign actors.
How about we bring our forces home. Tell everyone you attack us we will level your country. No aid to rebuild nothing, scorched earth.
Want peaceful trade with us? yep all day long with trade balance, possible tariffs etc...a fair and level playing field.
A.S. your cold war mentality is out dated I believe. And your plan only works in the hands of good and fair people, we are no longer that!!!!
Also great post!
Good conversation gentlemen... these things need to be discussed. Seems many boomers are stuck in the cold war mentality.
Hopefully these discussions will help open some eyes?
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Grow up sunshine.

I'm not evil, I'm a realist. The two greatest forces that has lifted more people out of poverty are Capitalism mixed with mostly free trade. To the extent we are able to cooperate with other nations on such terms, that' my first choice. Unfortunately, you can only be reasonable with reasonable people, and the Russian oligarchs are neither capitalist, free traders, nor reasonable.

You see this as an isolated event, but it's not. It's just he latest and bloodies in a near continuous series of (I've lost count of how many) proxy wars we've fought against the Russians since the close of WWII.

It's not a question if IF we fight the Russians, it's a question of when, where and how. When you look at he ROI of what we spend relative to what he gain in degradation of Russian capabilities, increase in the capabilities of us and our allies relative to our expenditures in blood and treasure, this is bargain.
Capitalism and freedom are 2 of the greatest things on gods green earth. America no longer has either one like it should be. Do you not see what this once great nation has become? We are dying my dude and that is exactly what makes us so dangerous. I struggle with this daily, but i trust Russia and Putin far more than my own gov. I used to question this constantly, but ive learned and accepted what this country is now. Its a hard thing to come to grips with, but youre going to have to one day, hopefully before its on your door step ready to lock your ass up for being on thr right
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.


Who determines just exactly what "American interests" is for purposes of planning foreign policy?

Whatever our rightful interests are, they're going to collide with EVERY other nation on the face of the earth. If we plan to survive on this earth in any kind of peace, we work these things out. This idea that our interests are diametrically opposed to Russian interests is a bunch of bullshit and a the ongoing claims of certain people, who being unable to relinquish the power they derived from the [legitimate] fear of the Soviet Union, are manipulating the country and the world. I'd go so far as to suggest that these people are largely the same people ideology who made the USSR a genuine threat.


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Amd antelope, i need to stop with the name calling. Sometimes emotion gets the better of me. Im sure we aligned perfectly on most things, but this isnt one. When i think of the world my daughter is growing up in, it boils my blood. She will not shed a drop of blood for this illegal gov or an illegal war with Russia, be it a proxy or not. There are fuggers in our gov and many, many nato nations now talking seriously about a draft. Both males and females. It sickens me
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold.
Fold to what exactly? What is the Russian threat to us currently, other than the threat we are creating?

I haven't read all of the pages but I see the countries as most at threat by the Russians are Poland and Hungary. Putin wanted Ukraine as a "buffer" to Poland and Germany. The Germans no longer have an appetite for war like in the last century. I see Hungary as just vulnerable to a Russian invasion. Our best strategy is to stay out of it all.

There is no doubt that Vlad Putin wants to recreate the USSR. I also think Vlad could take of taken Ukraine in a week and that would be the end of it. I guess he found out differently.

The only reason we got tied up in it was because of crooked politicians and commercial businesses that thought they could turn Ukraine into a gold mine. Our current illegitimate president is one of those crooked politicians. This thing is NOT going to end well for anyone. Even if Mr. Trump becomes our next president, he is going to have to struggle with the current mess to stop it all. No one is going to give up easily.

kwg
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.

Name the top three.
Originally Posted by kwg020
There is no doubt that Vlad Putin wants to recreate the USSR.


NOT so.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.

Settle it down there, Hillary.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by kwg020
There is no doubt that Vlad Putin wants to recreate the USSR.


NOT so.

Agreed
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
More than one bad thing can be true at the same time.

Biden bad: True.

Greenies crazy: True.

US border a disaster: True.

None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.
And Ukraine is a corrupt nasty country: True.

Europe has caused us trouble and war for over 100 years: True.

We are a bankrupt nation in default: True

Our Military adventures on borrowed money caused this: True.

We do not need to be adversarial with Russia: True

Putin is ruthless and not our concern: True.
Originally Posted by SupFoo
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
None of that changes the fact the long term goals of Russia collide with long term American interests.

Name the top three.
You’re better than to ask a Covtard Uketard for original thought and critical thinking.
Scott Ritter, Douglas Macgregor and Larry Johnson comment regularly on Judge Napolitano's Judging Freedom show. They understand how ridiculous all the western posturing is. Russia is in total control of the future regardless of what NATO (USA) does henceforth. Their economy is surging as the Dollar toll on the productive nations steadily weakens. Putin made a major point about how stupid it was trying to weaponize the $ financial system. We call it inflation but its worse than that. Russia now has the most powerful military in the world and increasing it to defeat all comers. Plus they have a sound, productive economy, independent of outsiders, to sustain it as long as necessary. This Neocon smash and grab is the stupidest armed robbery they ever tried. They should all be lined up and shot for all the hundreds of thousands dead and millions uprooted with their lives destroyed. The only question is how small and powerless will Ukraine be in the future? Putin's biggest problem might be getting rid of the Nazi Banderists once Zelinsky is gone and surrender is final.
K
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Putin's biggest problem might be getting rid of the Nazi Banderists once Zelinsky is gone and surrender is final.

Putin made that clear. Nazi problem is his biggest issue.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
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. War against Russia is war against nationalist identity and individual freedoms as espoused by the ancient Orthodox Christian faith


In that interview with Tucker, Putin mentioned the war Zelensky is waging on Orthodox Christianity in Ukraine.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Good conversation gentlemen... these things need to be discussed. Seems many boomers are stuck in the cold war mentality.

That is exactly what the Left is relying on. A generation whom the government schools ingrained a Pavlovian response "USSR (Russia) is bad" stop.

Those who have served abroad will (may) know that good people can be found anywhere. Even in the heart if enemy territory. But those who learned about our "enemies" in school were not taught this.

If you take the time to read the history of our "enemies" you will understand more about the people whom those governments rule over. But, it generally takes someone from academia to translate foreign historical documents. Where do their loyalties lie? (Claudine Gay et. Al.,)

Are you surprised that it is difficult to find an accurate history of Russia or China? Perhaps that is why Putin passed over the folder. I imagine that it includes copies if the "Ukrainian requests for protection from the oppression of Orthodox Christians by the Pope and Poles, And also the agreement to return to the " fold" so to speak and submit to the rule of the Tsar.

Is it really so surprising to see Russia producing historic documents documenting territorial claims when China (their largest and most pressing adversary) is getting away with creating new Islands in the South China Sea to promote their claim to that area? And Mitch McConnell is helping China conquer the world?
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Antelope sniper , I have always considered you a fairly reasonable person as well as thoughtful and intelligent....
So now that i have blown sunshine up your azz, could you answer a question I asked earlier?
What is the downside if we quit funding Ukraine vs the downside if we continue funding them? and no , I don't consider your assertion that Putin has eyes on taking Alaska credible...
What if Putin is telling the truth? he went before the world and said stop funding Ukraine and this thing will be over immediately, so lets assume the worst and that means he will win.
You surely don't believe Alaska is next... sooo how is the US threatened by Ukraine losing?
How is the US threatened by continuing funding the war?
These are the things you need to consider, if you need help with answers I will be happy to assist

Brother Fubar,

Thank you for the compliment.

Yes, my position if founded deep thought, reason, and experience; the experience of a former Intelligence Analyst covering primarily Strategic Level Soviet and Post Soviet issues, and among other things, responsible daily theater level threat assessments. So with the simple question you asked, I could quite literally wrong a book on the second and third order knock on effects of the various decisions we could make.

So instead of writing a book lets break this down to the most common value, most common perspective we share.

Now I'm making some assumption based on our previous conversations and your previous posts, so please correct me where I misrepresent your position or beliefs.

You and I want strong borders that protect our America, our people, and our interests. You are in favor of building a fence to contain the bad actors coming attempting to cross our southern border. We need surveillance so we know who's coming and going, check points do we can stop the criminals, the drugs and disease, terrorist, Jihadists, and the undesirables.

Tall fences make good neighbors, but there's more than one way to contain a pack of several thousand rabid dogs living in open space. Sure you could build a fence around your property, but what if your wife walks to the store, or your kids go play with the neighbors, now what? So instead, you build a fence around them. Same concept of what you want with Mexico, just a different application.

Now imagine those dogs break the the fence and one of your partner is willing to kill them, and all you have to do is keep handing him ammo. Your wife and kids don't have to leave the house and face any real danger, just hand these guys ammo and let them get bit? You have a whole bunch of self ammo you need to rotate out for new any way, so why not give to him to kill dogs? So you start kicking out new reloads and giving him your old stuff. Now some of his neighbors have bought your reloads in the past, and would like some fresh ammo, so they agree to give him their old stuff (F-16's), and you'll sell them new stuff (F-35's).

And these guys keep killing dogs, and all his neighbors keep buying more of your stuff, for which you will sell them the spare parts that your son makes, so he has a job, and his neighbors build their fences higher and stronger.

Now the other side of the open space has feral cats (Chinese). Some of these cats are big and shoot fireballs out of their eyes and lightning out the arse (SSBN's). But you have friends over there who let you set up a sensor network (First Island Chain SOSUS) so you keeps tabs on them, give you a place to say (Bases) and feed you when you're in the area (refuel your ships. Our Carriers are nuclear, but their escorts are not. The unclassified range of an Arleigh Burke is only 5100 miles at 20 knots, much less at combat speeds).

You have both the cats and dogs on pretty good lock down, and they can't get close enough to your property to do any real damage, and the dogs keep dying. Eventually the dogs may get this on family, but they'll be too depleted to pose a significant threat for another 30 years. This could lead to the next "peace dividend" or at least half a dividend, at least for the next 30 year, during which time they will be ignored, not hunted. Hopefully they are not able to rebuild their numbers (Both Russia and China's birth rates are well below replacement) to threatening levels. Regardless the Cat's see what's happening as well, and realize they need to reevaluate their situation.

But what happens if you pull out of this structure?

We loose allies. We lose bases. Our ability to project power is compromised. Gaps appear in our forward sensing networks. We suffer significant impairments to our ability to track Russian and Chinese Naval assets.

We'll see more resistance to US presences with critical partners. Japan nicely bottles up the Russian Pacific Fleet headquartered in Vladivostok. Taiwan's a critical brick in the First Island Chain wall around China. Singapore, Philippines, various allies in the Middle East, many who don't like being mentioned, all contribute to our ability to project power, maintain open sea lanes, and not fight wars on American Soil.

Since the Civil war there's been two major events on US soil, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Both during periods of strong isolationism sentiment.

When dealing with unreasonable peoples on the international stage there's two interesting strategies for us.

One is ignore our threats and respond after a whole bunch of Americans die and then do something. The other is containment them, and from time-to-time give them a good proactive stomping, then leave (Gulf War I). If someone else will do the stomping and take the bites for us, that even better.
Your thought process is evil my friend. You come to grips with killing millions of innocent people by convincing yourself that if we dont, we will be attacked on our homeland. You are as blood thirsty as some 3rd world country gang leader. Sad so many think like you and this thought process have given the green light to the evil pricks that are in control to kill and over throw all around the world. Ask yourself this. How long is Russia going to put up with us feeding ukraine weapons to kill them? You know there is already americans on the ground and this will be full blowm war in the not too distant future. Is your thinking worth potentially ending the world as we know it in hell fire from nukes? Its a game that only the most blood thirsty c ocksuckers want to play. F ucking sad

Interesting hearing both sides. I must admit I subscribe more to gunchamps point of view... seems in the guise of self defense we have become the aggressors.
Post cold war Russia , post Bolshevik control, they seem to have become much more defensive than offensive.
During the cold war I also believe they were a paper tiger, it served the military industrial complex to have them as a perceived threat. Keep that money flowing in.
I believe since the maturity of the industrial age many countries have decided trade, production and good relations is a much better path.
That being said I don't believe Muslim subscribe to that plan, they are theological and need to conquer the infidels, that explains Hamas and other terror organizations.
Bottom line is our politicians have sold out our manufacturing base, natural resource production, taxed and regulated our labor force almost out of existence.
Our own government has become a much bigger threat to us than foreign actors.
How about we bring our forces home. Tell everyone you attack us we will level your country. No aid to rebuild nothing, scorched earth.
Want peaceful trade with us? yep all day long with trade balance, possible tariffs etc...a fair and level playing field.
A.S. your cold war mentality is out dated I believe. And your plan only works in the hands of good and fair people, we are no longer that!!!!

Fubar,

When some tells me my geopolitical analysis is outdated it reminds of all the new investors of the late 90's saying metrics such as earnings and free cash flow were outdated, and how quickly their "new reality" was crushed, and how in only 8 short years we were again crushed by a different variation of those "new realities".

Our positions are actually closer than you think. In an ideal world your plan of Fortress America playing Wack-a-Mole would sound great, but we don't live in a prefect world. Wacking Moles requires power projection is based on logistics, which requires bases, which requires allies, and the same can be maintaining sea lanes.

After Pan AM 103 Reagan played Wack a Mole with Gaddafi. Put a bomb right in his tent. Missed Gaddafi but allegedly killed one of his kids. He didn't stick his had up for a long time. But, remember, we launched par of that attack from England, and France did permit us to use their airspace due to fears of terrorist retaliation. These operations are complex and require partners.

As for the US becoming the aggressor, think of it more as forward deployed defense in depth, or a 3/4 court press. We're still on defense, but were not going to let you walk up and take a shot from the 3 point line either. This strategy works will with large antagonistic organized powers such as Russian and China, but is not suitable for the Middle East. There you have to play wack-a-mole, but it's best to wack them while they're little, before they've grown into an Al-Qaeda or ISIS, which requires intelligence, and properly placed intelligence assets, and partners.... Regardless, so long as oil's important to us or those with shared interests with us we'll be in the Middle east.

Leveling countries sounds great on paper, but that's not a politically viable option in the US.

Rebuilding does not work on paper. Generally it only works in educated industrial countries that have lost no less then 5% of their total population and issues an unconditional surrender, and we no longer have the fortitude for that kind of war.

On trade, we agree.
What has happened in Russia 100 years ago, is happening now in the USA, Canada, and elsewhere, some would say exactly the same.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by SargeMO
One, this was hardly an interview. Putin talked about what he wanted to talk about and Carlson served as his video stenographer. The 'interview' happened in Russia so this is hardly surprising.

Two, the transcript has been available several days. On the premise it is accurate, anybody can read it and form their own opinions.

I see it somewhat differently. Tucker asked Putin why he invaded Ukraine and Putin went into detailed explanation of the history which was relevant to the answer. Tucker was intelligent enough to let Putin have his say knowing to cut him off would have ended the conversation. From what I have seen Putin would have said “You asked me a question. Are you going to let me answer or do we end the interview here?”

Tucker handled it very well in my opinion. He didn’t ask softball questions like what kind of ice cream do you like or do you wear boxers or briefs? He let Putin answer and didn’t challenge his answers. This was an interview where Putin was given the opportunity to explain why he did what he did and why he thought what he thought. It wasn’t a discussion or debate.

If you ask someone what do you think about this or that, they aren’t wrong for telling you what they think. They are only wrong if they lie to you and tell you what someone told them to think. I didn’t get the impression Putin lied.

Pretty ballsy to ask Putin to release the news person from a Russian prison.
Pretty ballsy to even go over three, take on Putin at the Kremlin.

Tucker did pretty good, considering he was dealing with a seasoned KGB agent. Putin did filibuster and control the narrative. But Tucker got in a few good questions which led to even more filibuster.

I’m not sure it accomplished that much, other than enrage the globalists. They definitely didn’t like it, didn’t fit their narrative.

So, from that standpoint, it was good.

DF
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.
Originally Posted by 45_100
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.
Well, hopefully it will open some eyes, get people hearing other than MSM gaslighting.

DF
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by 45_100
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.
Well, hopefully it will open some eyes, get people hearing other than MSM gaslighting.

DF

Just because the MSM is gaslighting us it doesn't mean that Putin isn't.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by 45_100
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.
Well, hopefully it will open some eyes, get people hearing other than MSM gaslighting.

DF

Just because the MSM is gaslighting us it doesn't mean that Putin isn't.


Well, he very well could be. Therefore we must "take him out."
"It's not a question if IF we fight the Russians, it's a question of when, where and how. When you look at he ROI of what we spend relative to what he gain in degradation of Russian capabilities, increase in the capabilities of us and our allies relative to our expenditures in blood and treasure, this is bargain."

Did you nod off when Vlad chuckled at the idea of invading Poland or anyone else? It's absurd, a NATO fantasy to maintain its relevance as it rapidly collapses. NATO lost any reason to exist when the Soviet Union broke apart and Russia was weak. But the money was too good! Now NATO has no reason to exist because Russia is strong. Too strong to ever be isolated, exploited, or threatened ever again. Why would Putin want any neurotic suicidal Western nations when he has a strong self sufficient country - and unified people? Peace and prosperity belong to the BRICs.

Your analysis, if that's it, is so childish it's hard to think what imaginary era your Walter Mitty daydreams float in from. Reboot the interview, and listen this time....
as long as Ukrainians are killing Russkies, i'd say send them the weapons and equipment. we have or had so much many weapons that are slated for destruction by the time stamp. just because we have the missile or artillery shell, doesn't mean in 30 years now, we will use it in a war. the explosive power and computer degrades after a time. it could be in a week or 20 years. then you have replace it or destroy it. or as in this case, give it to Ukraine and Israel and replace it new in your stock.

there is a law, passed by Congress, that we have to have certain number of shells, bullets, missiles, tanks, trucks....... in our stock in case of war. AND we have alot of it. FrankenSparrow and FrankenSidewinder and the FrankenHawk missiles are just some. yes, if you build it on a 4x4 pickup truck, then it is a Franken(stein) anything. a quad 50 on a Toyota pickup, FrankenQuad50. 40mm autocannon on a Ford pickup, FrankenFord40mm. we just happen to have alot of them.

$60 billion package, that includes equipment and weapons is around $48-50 billion. the other $10 - 12 billion, i have a problem with that.

so as long as they kill Russkies, it is less that we have to fight.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
"It's not a question if IF we fight the Russians, it's a question of when, where and how. When you look at he ROI of what we spend relative to what he gain in degradation of Russian capabilities, increase in the capabilities of us and our allies relative to our expenditures in blood and treasure, this is bargain."

Did you nod off when Vlad chuckled at the idea of invading Poland or anyone else? It's absurd, a NATO fantasy to maintain its relevance as it rapidly collapses. NATO lost any reason to exist when the Soviet Union broke apart and Russia was weak. But the money was too good! Now NATO has no reason to exist because Russia is strong. Too strong to ever be isolated, exploited, or threatened ever again. Why would Putin want any neurotic suicidal Western nations when he has a strong self sufficient country - and unified people? Peace and prosperity belong to the BRICs.

Your analysis, if that's it, is so childish it's hard to think what imaginary era your Walter Mitty daydreams float in from. Reboot the interview, and listen this time....

Try to keep up.

When I say fight them, we're not necessarily talking about direct kinetic conflict. To mitigate the risk of nuclear conflict we operate under an unspoken agreement that we primarily fight through 3rd parties. It's called a proxy war.

We've been involved in a series of over 50, maybe even 100 proxy wars with the Russians since WWII. This is just the latest in that long series, and giving us very good ROI.
putin Bitch-Slapped tucker and showed him where he belongs...; ole tucker with that damn stupid look shutthefuck up...

Phil
Tucker conducted the interview well. I think he was expecting for it to be just another interview where he could lead the topic. Instead Putin had his own agenda that was about schooling the world on Russian history and their ideology in this conflict. Only a very conflicted person would hold that Ukraine was in their rights to murder and commit genocide on ethnic Russian inhabitants of traditional Russian territories. In what world are American funded bio weapon labs ok to be constructed on Russia's doorstep. In what world is it ok to break the agreement not to surround Russia with NATO weapons. Putin was correct in saying that there are limited Nations with resources capable of destroying the Nord stream pipeline. America sits at the top of the list and then there's Biden boasting about doing just that. Putin told Tucker early in the interview that it was going to be a discussion which I'm sure they had agreed on before hand. At some point most interviews become interrogations and Putin was not prepaired to go there. He conducted himself well. He was clear and relaxed.
Name the 100 wars where the US engaged Russians in combat. Or just 85. Shhessg the covid boosters really rotted your boomer covtard brain


The US is 34 trillion in debt with run away inflation because of endless invasions, occupations and worthless sanctions that back fired. . Thank God we invaded Iraq twice and have illegally occupied Iraq for over 30 years. Did Russia cause this? How about our illegal invasion and occupation of 20 years in Afghanistan? Russia was behind this too? I thought all of the 911 high jackers were Afghnai nationals right diaper?



How about Somalia invasions and occupation? Russia again? lol


So the us bombed the main source of energy for Europe because of Russia? lol





Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
"It's not a question if IF we fight the Russians, it's a question of when, where and how. When you look at he ROI of what we spend relative to what he gain in degradation of Russian capabilities, increase in the capabilities of us and our allies relative to our expenditures in blood and treasure, this is bargain."

Did you nod off when Vlad chuckled at the idea of invading Poland or anyone else? It's absurd, a NATO fantasy to maintain its relevance as it rapidly collapses. NATO lost any reason to exist when the Soviet Union broke apart and Russia was weak. But the money was too good! Now NATO has no reason to exist because Russia is strong. Too strong to ever be isolated, exploited, or threatened ever again. Why would Putin want any neurotic suicidal Western nations when he has a strong self sufficient country - and unified people? Peace and prosperity belong to the BRICs.

Your analysis, if that's it, is so childish it's hard to think what imaginary era your Walter Mitty daydreams float in from. Reboot the interview, and listen this time....

Try to keep up.

When I say fight them, we're not necessarily talking about direct kinetic conflict. To mitigate the risk of nuclear conflict we operate under an unspoken agreement that we primarily fight through 3rd parties. It's called a proxy war.

We've been involved in a series of over 50, maybe even 100 proxy wars with the Russians since WWII. This is just the latest in that long series, and giving us very good ROI.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
putin Bitch-Slapped tucker and showed him where he belongs...; ole tucker with that damn stupid look shutthefuck up...

Phil

He did no such thing. He graciously redirected Tucker's adolescent suggestion to call up Biden after painstakingly working out a very detailed proposal with Ukraine - that Biden, through Boris, rejected. He also gently chided Tucker's impatience with important history that set this conflict in motion hundreds of years ago, explaining Russia and the Russian soul. Putin, somewhat amazed, pointed out his naivete at the very real and present danger of Nazi ideology. Remarkably sloppy preparation by Tucker's team. But Putin was a diplomat and gentleman. You belong in the Hillary Clinton school of foreign relations.
Originally Posted by tdoyka
as long as Ukrainians are killing Russkies, i'd say send them the weapons and equipment. we have or had so much many weapons that are slated for destruction by the time stamp. just because we have the missile or artillery shell, doesn't mean in 30 years now, we will use it in a war. the explosive power and computer degrades after a time. it could be in a week or 20 years. then you have replace it or destroy it. or as in this case, give it to Ukraine and Israel and replace it new in your stock.

there is a law, passed by Congress, that we have to have certain number of shells, bullets, missiles, tanks, trucks....... in our stock in case of war. AND we have alot of it. FrankenSparrow and FrankenSidewinder and the FrankenHawk missiles are just some. yes, if you build it on a 4x4 pickup truck, then it is a Franken(stein) anything. a quad 50 on a Toyota pickup, FrankenQuad50. 40mm autocannon on a Ford pickup, FrankenFord40mm. we just happen to have alot of them.

$60 billion package, that includes equipment and weapons is around $48-50 billion. the other $10 - 12 billion, i have a problem with that.

so as long as they kill Russkies, it is less that we have to fight.

This is the most utterly asinine thing I have read in a while.
Originally Posted by Stophel
Originally Posted by tdoyka
as long as Ukrainians are killing Russkies, i'd say send them the weapons and equipment. we have or had so much many weapons that are slated for destruction by the time stamp. just because we have the missile or artillery shell, doesn't mean in 30 years now, we will use it in a war. the explosive power and computer degrades after a time. it could be in a week or 20 years. then you have replace it or destroy it. or as in this case, give it to Ukraine and Israel and replace it new in your stock.

there is a law, passed by Congress, that we have to have certain number of shells, bullets, missiles, tanks, trucks....... in our stock in case of war. AND we have alot of it. FrankenSparrow and FrankenSidewinder and the FrankenHawk missiles are just some. yes, if you build it on a 4x4 pickup truck, then it is a Franken(stein) anything. a quad 50 on a Toyota pickup, FrankenQuad50. 40mm autocannon on a Ford pickup, FrankenFord40mm. we just happen to have alot of them.

$60 billion package, that includes equipment and weapons is around $48-50 billion. the other $10 - 12 billion, i have a problem with that.

so as long as they kill Russkies, it is less that we have to fight.

This is the most utterly asinine thing I have read in a while.
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Originally Posted by 45_100
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.

Tucker himself said it would take him a full year to process and understand it all. A phenomenal presentation for our day and time.
Edit: I thought Tucker was poorly prepared. But, it's a stretch I know, maybe his naive questions that exemplify what dumbed down Americans think was intentional?
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by Greyghost
putin Bitch-Slapped tucker and showed him where he belongs...; ole tucker with that damn stupid look shutthefuck up...

Phil

He did no such thing. He graciously redirected Tucker's adolescent suggestion to call up Biden after painstakingly working out a very detailed proposal with Ukraine - that Biden, through Boris, rejected. He also gently chided Tucker's impatience with important history that set this conflict in motion hundreds of years ago, explaining Russia and the Russian soul. Putin, somewhat amazed, pointed out his naivete at the very real and present danger of Nazi ideology. Remarkably sloppy preparation by Tucker's team. But Putin was a diplomat and gentleman. You belong in the Hillary Clinton school of foreign relations.
This Nazi ideology we continue to hear about, is that really the dangers we face? because it seems to me the far larger problem is one of a relentless Communist takeover.
I’m not sure We face Nazism here but ethnic Russians in Ukraine do. The Nazis killed around 6M Russians in WWII so I expect Putin is somewhat concerned with them and their ideology. The whole point is Ukraine funding is not in our national interest. We should be spending that money protecting our own borders.
Originally Posted by rainshot
I’m not sure We face Nazism here but ethnic Russians in Ukraine do. The Nazis killed around 6M Russians in WWII so I expect Putin is somewhat concerned with them and their ideology. The whole point is Ukraine funding is not in our national interest. We should be spending that money protecting our own borders.
The western World is more in danger of a Communist takeover, its happening in real time, right in front of us.
There should be no money for Ukraine.
Originally Posted by 673
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by Greyghost
putin Bitch-Slapped tucker and showed him where he belongs...; ole tucker with that damn stupid look shutthefuck up...

Phil

He did no such thing. He graciously redirected Tucker's adolescent suggestion to call up Biden after painstakingly working out a very detailed proposal with Ukraine - that Biden, through Boris, rejected. He also gently chided Tucker's impatience with important history that set this conflict in motion hundreds of years ago, explaining Russia and the Russian soul. Putin, somewhat amazed, pointed out his naivete at the very real and present danger of Nazi ideology. Remarkably sloppy preparation by Tucker's team. But Putin was a diplomat and gentleman. You belong in the Hillary Clinton school of foreign relations.
This Nazi ideology we continue to hear about, is that really the dangers we face? because it seems to me the far larger problem is one of a relentless Communist takeover.

Nazi Ideology is what Russia is Grappling partly(?) In Ukraine
Like Cubans who have escaped the Russians are probably the least at risk to the spread of communism because they are one of the few people who know what it means to live under communism.

We on the other hand are at high risk of succumbing to the spread of communism (under the bios of "democracy" as defined y leftists.

If communism does not find another host country soon it will die.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by 45_100
I’m still trying to process all the things Putin revealed in that performance. He reinforced a lot of what I thought was true. CIA, Nordstream, the magic knee grow, the coup in Ukraine, never ending wars, US manipulation of global economy and many other things. And yes asking about the US journalist was very ballsy. I sensed a level of mutual respect between the participants.

Tucker himself said it would take him a full year to process and understand it all. A phenomenal presentation for our day and time.
Edit: I thought Tucker was poorly prepared. But, it's a stretch I know, maybe his naive questions that exemplify what dumbed down Americans think was intentional?
How would Tucker been better prepared. He did pretty well, IMO. Like he said, it wasn’t about him, it was about Putin.

So he let Putin talk, let him express himself. Now, Putin’s a well trained and experienced KGB type, so he could handle Tucker.

To me it was good to hear his point of view. Was he gaslighting us? Maybe, but at least it want the drip, drip, drip of our MSM dribble we constantly are subjected to, it was fresh.

Tucker was probably in over his head, but at least he went. I’m glad he did, mainly because how it pizzed off the MSM and the Globalists. Actually MSM and Globalists are one and the same.

DF
Originally Posted by 673
This Nazi ideology we continue to hear about, is that really the dangers we face? because it seems to me the far larger problem is one of a relentless Communist takeover.


A totalitarian does not care about ideology. They'll use any vehicle to get where they want to go, and if fascism is sitting there idling with the door open then they'll hop right in and drive away. In truth, all totalitarian ideologies, once in power, have to operate as fascists because the embraced ideology always fails economically and force must be employed to sustain any kind of economic output.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by 673
This Nazi ideology we continue to hear about, is that really the dangers we face? because it seems to me the far larger problem is one of a relentless Communist takeover.


A totalitarian does not care about ideology. They'll use any vehicle to get where they want to go, and if fascism is sitting there idling with the door open then they'll hop right in and drive away. In truth, all totalitarian ideologies, once in power, have to operate as fascists because the embraced ideology always fails economically and force must be employed to sustain any kind of economic output.

Exactly. The Soviets always considered the Chinese impure communists because Mao simply used it a a means to take power, expel the existing government (to Taiwan) and control the people. Much as the left is presently attempting to do in America, only they are corrupting the government instead of expelling it.
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by 673
This Nazi ideology we continue to hear about, is that really the dangers we face? because it seems to me the far larger problem is one of a relentless Communist takeover.


A totalitarian does not care about ideology. They'll use any vehicle to get where they want to go, and if fascism is sitting there idling with the door open then they'll hop right in and drive away. In truth, all totalitarian ideologies, once in power, have to operate as fascists because the embraced ideology always fails economically and force must be employed to sustain any kind of economic output.

Well said, RR
At least Tucker is pushing the envelope, not sitting back, "going along to get along".

But the "cutting edge" can sometimes become the "bleeding edge".

I wish him well, safety from the Globalists. They can be a vicious bunch.

DF
I don't mean to be too hard on Tucker. It was a courageous and rational diplomatic overture toward Putin. A great public service. You're right, he gave Putin the floor except for interrupting with dumb questions. I would have known better myself. That's embarrassing. The main thing is now much of the world has seen an erudite, confident statesman expressing his country's culture and concerns, as well his clear understanding of western perfidy, in a calm open manner.
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
I don't mean to be too hard on Tucker. It was a courageous and rational diplomatic overture toward Putin. A great public service. You're right, he gave Putin the floor except for interrupting with dumb questions. I would have known better myself. That's embarrassing. The main thing is now much of the world has seen an erudite, confident statesman expressing his country's culture and concerns, as well his clear understanding of western perfidy, in a calm open manner.
Yeah, for sure Putin is savvy, smart and smooth.

It doesn't hurt for the world to see that.

You don't have to like him to respect him.

DF
There is great book, Witness, by Whittaker Chambers about his experience as a communist. He ends the book with the pessimistic view that they will probably win in the end, because they are determined and evil. Communism has failed as an economic model but the same evil persists. No longer ideologically driven, it is even more nihilistic toward all customs, traditions, and human instincts that found and preserve nationalities and civilization itself. They hate everything true, spontaneous, beautiful and good. Russia learned first hand of this evil and is setting a strong example to the world that it must be destroyed. Putin expressed that sadness and resurgent strength very well.
I've watched bits and piece of this interview and every time I listen to Putin respond it is essentially the "Truth According to Putin" being put out there as if it is gospel. And it seems an awful lot of people on this site are lapping it up like this is what they want to hear to validate their rhetoric.

The US isn't perfect by any means, but to give a tyrant like Putin a pat on the back because of his views of our country, while he jails political opponents or kills them, removes any rights of protest from their people, controls the Russian media, and robs the people of billions to build his many "vacation homes" in the country ( a trick I'm sure he learned party from US politicians) , among other atrocities- is laughable . As Tucker does- he did the interview once he was out from contractual obligations with FOX and away from the political control of the NSA and CIA and asked the questions he seemed to think we needed to hear Putin's response to. He leaves it up to us how we interpret the responses and if we believe or distrust what is being said. In all fairness I'm quite sure he believes everything he said in public and in those interviews, but it is quite obvious he lies to his own population about the war, their economy, and probably everything that is happening in Russia due to his almost total control over the media, news sources, and internet sources..

Look at this interview with a critical ear and you may realize it isn't the godsend some people on this thread seem to think it is.... but I will admit his performance is worthy of an Oscar ...
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