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[quote=Mannlicher]who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold. We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right? And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it? Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.
Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199. To be intellectually consistent, you now have to argue that Germany should be broke up into the former small states that previously existed. Do you want to go there???? Nice straw man. Now try again responding to the actual point I'm making. So I guess you will be arguing that the Roman Empire owes Europe reparations for their military adventures on the continent and in Merry Olde England?? I can do this all day. No my argument is that you didn't want to be Roman's neighbor. Rome did not become the worlds largest land empire of it's time through peaceful and purchases. If the border state between you and Rome fell, chances are, you were next. I have to agree , your argument is a straw man argument! During the expansion of the Roman empire prosperity and growth was through pillaging.... the industrial revolution ended that. Now countries grow through industry and commerce... Putin said dissolving the USSR was voluntary and they did it with hopes of trading and allying with the West.... but the west rejected them And Putin's a Liar. There was nothing "voluntary" about the dissolution of the Former Soviet Union.[/quote] I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR?
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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman? And every President since FDR including Reagan?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR? Just because a woman lays there while she's getting raped, that doesn't mean it was voluntary.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman? And every President since FDR including Reagan? I suspect at one time... like during the cold war... Russia was the boogeyman.... times have changed since then and since the roman empire.. I didn't think you were old enough to be a charter member of Fuddsareus?
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I guess I missed the civil war bloodbath that resulted from the forced break up of the USSR? Just because a woman lays there while she's getting raped, that doesn't mean it was voluntary. I have little doubt the useful idiots of the left will take the rape with nary a complaint.... patriots not so much
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold. We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right? And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it? Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.
Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199. I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny. They started a few years before we did: ![[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Territorial_Expansion_of_Russia.svg/2560px-Territorial_Expansion_of_Russia.svg.png) That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days. But that would include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania, and the eastern half of Germany. It did as far as I can recall. And likely some other areas. It's been a while!
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Ukraine shares a border and culture with Russia..... Ukraine shares what with the US? a hint... for a brain dead leftist, you...... grifting money laundering, that is what the US shares with Ukraine. If you had a brain and listened to the interview , Putin said it was a way to fleece the American taxpayer... Fascinating, but that has nothing to do with your supposition that I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are.
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Irfubar nailed it. In this modern world, if a nation needs to compete, it must develop an industrial base, it needs energy, iron, coal, labor and capital. The gas and oil lines to the west from Russian fields went right through an increasingly hostile Ukraine, were Russia's money lifeline. Let's face it Russia is f...ked geographically by immense distances and lack of ice free ports. The US State dept installed the current govt of Ukraine to choke Russia's one steady source of income, sale of gas to Europe. Russia has it's back to the wall. Give Russia an ice free secure port and pipelines, that war would be over in a week.
Go back in history, Roosevelt put Japan against the wall choking off oil and iron. Japan responded at Pearl. The Allies choked Germany after Versailles, Hitler rose to power and responded.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption. Good Russian is an oxymoron. Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska. Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned? How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia? How did Alaska stop being part of Russia? Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished. Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M. All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief That is a false dichotomy. Both can be wrong. And he's objectively wrong. The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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all those covid jabs really rotted this poor confused covtard boomer's small brain who gives a [bleep] what that mass murdering KGB agent thinks? Russia has been an antagonist of America ever since America was created. Stunned that so many folks here worship Putin, believe what he says, and want to just fold. We did manage to purchase Alaska from Russia. No conflict there, right? And what kind of neighbor was Russia else where? Were they purchasing land themselves, or just invading and annexing it? Following the Crimean War, Russia revived its expansionist policies. Russian troops first moved to gain control of the Caucasus region, where the revolts of Muslim tribesmen—Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestanis—had continued despite numerous Russian campaigns in the nineteenth century. Once the forces of Aleksandr Baryatinsky had captured the legendary Chechen rebel leader Shamil in 1859, the army resumed the expansion into Central Asia that had begun under Nicholas I. The capture of Tashkent was a significant victory over the Kokand Khanate, part of which was annexed in 1866. By 1867 Russian forces had captured enough territory to form the Guberniya (Governorate General) of Turkestan, the capital of which was Tashkent. The Bukhara Khanate then lost the crucial Samarkand area to Russian forces in 1868. To avoid alarming Britain, which had strong interests in protecting nearby India, Russia left the Bukhoran territories directly bordering Afghanistan and Persia nominally independent. The Central Asian khanates retained a degree of autonomy until 1917.
Riasanovsky, Nicholas V. (1963). A History of Russia. Oxford University Press. p. 199. I guess Russia was following the example set by the U.S. just a few decades before that. They were just following their own manifest destiny. They started a few years before we did: That map or a similar one was shown to my class in grade school and a similar one on the expansion of Communism. I doubt you'd see that in a grade school these days. But that would include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania, and the eastern half of Germany.
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Don't ever forget that Hillary Clinton had no use for Pres. Putin AFTER she made her uranium deal and got her cut: ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/As5qIPW.jpeg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/AsX5nqT.png)
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We are no longer on the right side of history.... I don't see Russia engaging in wars around the world like we are....
So just maybe Hillary was wrong about the Russian boogeyman? And every President since FDR including Reagan? Once again, because you seem confused, Reagan and back was a different time. You just havent learned anything worthwhile in the past 10 years. You are stuck in the cold war still
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The guy is a master of propoganda. I listened to the whole interview last night. I got sucked in for a while and thought maybe he isn't the enemy we thought. By the time it was over I knew he isn't a good. Putin is a billionaire from gov't corruption. Good Russian is an oxymoron. Explains you perfectly. Another confused boomer living in the cold war. F ucks sake If Ukraine independence is irrelevant because they were traditionally part of Imperial Russia and the USSR, Putin could apply the same logic and challenge the U.S. claim to Alaska. Do you think that we should give Alaska back to Russia if they ask for it to be returned? How did Ukraine stop being part of Russia? How did Alaska stop being part of Russia? Ukraine stopped being part of Russia when the USSR was established and then became independent after the USSR was disestablished. Alaska stopped being part of Russia when they sold it to the U.S. on 03/30/1 867 for $7.2M. All points aside, you have chose to side with the most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth with your Russian stance. I feel good with myself knowing Im on the opposing side of those azzholes. Not a good look chief That is a false dichotomy. Both can be wrong. Yes, both the demonrats and the rinos are wrong. I agree
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The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops.[/quote]
Ribka is correct. Your boosters have severely limited your brain processing power lol. So you think our gov is not one of the most corrupt in the world? They have killed millions of people at this point. Directly involved in human trafficking. Wants the opposing party dead or locked up. Brags about killing millions of babies and wants to be able to do it up until the day of birth. Im not a sugar coater. You are a f ucktard
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That the Russians have not achieved the objective that they never set out to achieve....they have obviously failed.
Sheesh.....
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Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?
Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol
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The "most evil and disgusting politicians on this earth" reside in Somalia, South Sudan, Yeman, and North Korea. There's good 75 countries in the world more corrupt than Ukraine, and among them is RUSSIA. If Russian was the paragon of virtue that Gunchamp thinks they are this conflict would have been over in 90 days tops. Ribka is correct. Your boosters have severely limited your brain processing power lol. So you think our gov is not one of the most corrupt in the world? They have killed millions of people at this point. Directly involved in human trafficking. Wants the opposing party dead or locked up. Brags about killing millions of babies and wants to be able to do it up until the day of birth. Im not a sugar coater. You are a f ucktard[/quote] antelope diaper began pushing the untested dangerous ineffective jab in Marc of 2020 on here Interesting how many dumb covtards on here are so lacking in history and are so pro endless wars
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Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?
Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act? Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left. IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera.
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1 The CIA doesn't have the professional competence to overthrow a high school presidential election, much less a country
2.The previous Ukrainian regime was a Russian puppet and just as corrupt as the current one.
Everything else he's got a good grasp of issues. True.
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Why is Edward Snowden living in Russia?
Don't we ave freedom of speech? lol Isn't the dissemination of classified materials without authorization a treasonous act? Snowden is living in Russia because he would be arrested, charged, tried, and probably convicted of espionage if he left. IMO he should be tried and if convicted, stood against a wall and executed along with other traitor like Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning and Jack Teixiera. Any alleged secrets learned by Edward Snowden are no longer secret and have no value today. That was the argument used to free jewish spy Jonathan Pollard.
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