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In the conditions listed above where a 223/80 is drifting a foot at 250 yards, a 243 with 105s (either 105 Amax or VLDs) is drifting around 10-11”. Either one would require a wind call to be made. Of course one could fart around with max loading one and handicapping the other and skew numbers as one sees fit.

A 75 eldm at 2850, in typical Eastern Montana fall conditions, will drift a foot at 250 in a 29 mph wind. Not sure what 75 you’re using to come up with your numbers. I’m betting it’s a guess.

Yea, a validated guess. 75 hornady match in the .223. Drifting 10 to 12 inches on a 20 to 25 mph day.

105 berger, which the remington rifle I suggested would shoot just fine, is about 6 to 7 in 20 to 25 mph. Also, validated. May times on both. I don't have to guess man, I've been there, done that on shooting critters.

To the OP, I'm sure whatever you get will work just fine and you'll have many good memories on the prairie with your kids, but if it were me, and I was gonna drop some coin on a hunting rifle for a young, novice shooter, you'll be much more happier with a 243 win.

As usual, lot's of stupidity. Prairie Goat knows of what he speaks - kind of obvious really.

My son (now 31) started at age 12 with a 223 and 53 TSX's. He turfed several antelope beyond 200 yards with that combo. It's a great round for anyone of any age. If I were building a kids rifle/cartridge combo, and was a handloader, I'd build a 22 CM with a 1-8" 23" bbl on a Kimber 84M Montana platform. Barrel would be a hybrid that works in the barrel channel and mic's .650" at the muzzle. Otherwise a 1-8" 22-250 would be perfect.

My friend Dober has a string of something like 40 one shot kills on deer and antelope with that combo. Actually, I think one of the forty took an extra round. It works, and I'd use the same on open country elk.

To the guys running .22Creeds what bullets are you using and what kind of velocity are you seeing?

A 53 grain bullet won't even legal in most states, and open country elk? Come on buddy.

Go bust one of those 300 pound mulies or big whitetails on the shoulder with that 53 grainer and see how that works out for ya. Obviously, recoil is the issue here. If a kid or teenager or whatever cant handle a 243, then they prolly outta stay in the truck. Hate to be that way.

There’s a big difference between the 75 BTHP and the 75 ELD.

Thankfully I don't live in those states...

A223 for smallish deer and antelope, a .243 if the deer are bigger .................. I carry my .243 regularly with elk tag in my pocket. I am 6' and 220 lbs. I much prefer shooting a .243 to anything bigger. I started with a .30-06 and it took me 15 years to shoot good.

So, is it legal to hunt any elk, in any state with a .224 cal or 53 grain bullet?

Thankfully here in MT we trust people to have the good sense God gave a walnut. So yeah, it's legal here.

If you're concerned about a .24 minimum requirement you need to seriously consider the 6mm Max. It's not only in a sweet spot performance wise, but also not as finicky as the 6 ARC.

Some of you guys LIVE to make easy problems into difficult/complicated ones.

Buy a .243, call it a day, take the kid hunting.

Don't make much sense to me to shoot an elk with a 22 centerfire, but I ain't from Montana either.
Kinda been saying that.

If you ain’t done it, or seen it done, you’re no judge.

I’d tell you to read the link from Rokslide, with an open mind, but I don’t think you can.





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If you ain’t done it, or seen it done, you’re no judge.

I’d tell you to read the link from Rokslide, with an open mind, but I don’t think you can.


Send me the link. I'll give it a try.

Dude

Read the thread.





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We can tell. If you were, you might not be making disingenuous arguments comparing bullets of dissimilar ballistic coefficients, whether your 80 grain comparison that suddenly turned into 105 grain for the 243, or the 75 grain bullets of ordinary bc compared with a 105. Shoot the good ones in both and they'll kill the same.

It will work just fine. You should stop guessing on stuff you know nothing about.

Go back and find the countless number of elk pics scenarshooter used to post. 220 Swift and 55 grain Hornady.

I doubt you have enough fingers and toes to count em up.