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I shoot H-414 H-110 and BLC-2 and have just used regular primers.

I have used my 7x57 in some cold places and never had a problem.

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Ive not used a whole lot of Ball powders but the times that I have "magnum" primers have not made any appreciable difference in velocity or accuracy.


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by flintlocke
I have been digging through the campfire archives for threads on the necessity for hot primers being used in ball powders. Without any kind of consensus.
Speer reloading manuals over the years have always recommended mag primers or at least Winchester primers for ball propellants. I have an old Winchester pamphlet, pre Hodgdon, that suggests the use of an old primer no longer produced, WLR (for standard or magnum loads)
So what say ye, consumers of older surplus ball powders like H414, H380, BLC-2 etc. ????

flinlocke ol buddy. I'm sure you realize the WLR primers are hotter than most standard primers, like the CCI200's for example. With that being said, I generally don't use magnum primers just because I'm using ball powders. I do use magnum primers when the amount of powder is larger than about 60 grains. This means any cartridge case bigger than the good ol 30-06 (300wm, 338wm, 7mm rem mag, 375H&H, just to name a few), gets a magnum primer.

I know some guys push using a magnum primer for some applications like the 7mm-08 running big game powder. I will admit, the performance difference was marginally better when switching from CCI200 to CCI250's. Not really enough difference to write home about though, if you really want to know the truth..

With this being said, if I were forced to use a small rifle primer in a larger case, like what was the fad with the 6.5 creedmoor, I'd run a magnum small rifle primer, for better/more consistent ignition.

Also, if you ever notice an anomaly like detonation (hangfires), when running ball powders, you could try switching to a magnum primer and see if that fixes the issue. Otherwise, I'm just running a standard primer. Especially in small cases like 22-250, 243, 6.5 creedmoor, 308 etc..
I tend to agree with this approach.

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I have gravitated to mag primers in everything.

Mainly ball powder anymore and don't see any downsides to them.

Less stuff to have to deal with and I can generally find them when standard primers are MIA

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22-250 with H380, or IMR 3031: CCI 200

260, 264, 7mag, 7-08, 270, 25-06, 30-06 with any powder slower than 4895 I use CCI 250 or Fed 215.

It has worked very well since 1978.


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I started using WLR primers when Winchester didn't make magnum rifle primers. The label on the box stated, "for standard and magnum loads". I was loading H450 powder in my 243 hunting ammo. I never had a problem in cold temps.


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I worked up a load for my 7mm-08 using ramshot big game and barnes 120 TTSX this year right before hunting season. I tried using magnum primers when I was testing loads with this powder/bullet combination because I had read on here where some were getting very good accuracy with big game and magnum primers but for me the results were not that great. When I tested the same load using a Winchester large rifle primer all 3 shots were touching so that is what I settled on. I'm hoping that if I test this same load using CCI 200 primers the results will be the same because I'm running very low on Winchester large rifle primers.

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