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Tikka for the rifle. But in 2024 I'd pass on a 270 and get a 6.5 CM or 7-08 Not to mention about every hardware store or wally world has a box of core lokts or power points. That was then, this is now. 270 is fading fast and in another 10 years it may well be a handloaders only cartridge. That's why I'd go with 6.5CM or 7-08. The 6.5 CM shoots the same bullet weights 150-200 fps slower at the muzzle. By the time you get to 200 yards it's close enough to call it a tie. Good quality, accurate and reasonably priced ammo truly is everywhere now.
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Back to the 270, even if a guy wanted to launch a 90 or 100 grainer in it, it's still blowing by a 25. Not if you are loading them to the same pressure. The 25-06 with the 75gr hp, (lightest regular cup and core) using IMR4064 will hit 3700 fps at book recipes. With a 120gr, 3000 fps is doable with several powders, again at book recipes. The 270W using 90gr hp, max book is barely over 3500 fps. With 130s, 3100fps but at 2k higher pressure. With 150s it's pedestrian. There isn't any magic in the 270 Win. Ain't much magic to a 25-06 either. Apples to apples, 90 grain vs 90 grain, will be so damn close it's not even worth it. What the 270 can do that the 25-06 can't, is shoot bigger bullets. Even if you twist them faster the 270 is still superior. For 75s, shoot a 6mm something, for 120 plus, a .270 will do anything you can ask of it. The point is, the 270 doesn't " blow by" a 25-06. You are unjustified in suggesting nonsense. They're basically on the same case, and if heavier bullets is what you'll be likely to use its just as likely the 280 will outperform the 270. If that's your line of thinking the 30-06, the 338-06, the 35 Whelan are all better yet, right? If you have the twist to spin 135s out of the 25-06, it beats the 270W. Same speeds, better BC. Same reason the 280 is better yet. When it comes down to it the 270 is like a Chevy truck. It's good enough at everything to make do, but gets beaten in every category by something. ;D
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[quote=JMR40]Tikka for the rifle. But in 2024 I'd pass on a 270 and get a 6.5 CM or 7-08
[quote]The 270 is fading fast and in another 10 years it may well be a handloaders only cartridge./quote]
Just when you think you have heard it all.
If that were the case the 280 would have been dead 40+ years ago.
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OK. I get your point. Not "blowing by" a 25-06. I simply meant to say a 270 will do everything a 25 will and more. Basically like 2 guns in one. As far as a 280 goes, they're OK, but not by any means that much better than a 270. This being mentioned in factory configurations. A 1:8 .270 don't give up to a 1:8 280 even if you went custom. The b.c on a 170 outta that .270 is pretty good. For an off the shelf rifle such as a tikka, rem 700, win 70, that 270 would be hard to beat for an all around rifle.
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Back to the 270, even if a guy wanted to launch a 90 or 100 grainer in it, it's still blowing by a 25. Not if you are loading them to the same pressure. The 25-06 with the 75gr hp, (lightest regular cup and core) using IMR4064 will hit 3700 fps at book recipes. With a 120gr, 3000 fps is doable with several powders, again at book recipes. The 270W using 90gr hp, max book is barely over 3500 fps. With 130s, 3100fps but at 2k higher pressure. With 150s it's pedestrian. There isn't any magic in the 270 Win. You might wanna take a look at Barnes data. 110 Barnes in a 24” 270 will run 3500 fps, 95s over 3600 and 85s over 3800. That 110 at 3500 from a 270 will make a 257 Weatherby obsolete.
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I vote for the vanguard s2 for your next rifle. Well made, accurate, and will last a lifetime. YMMV
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Back to the 270, even if a guy wanted to launch a 90 or 100 grainer in it, it's still blowing by a 25. Not if you are loading them to the same pressure. The 25-06 with the 75gr hp, (lightest regular cup and core) using IMR4064 will hit 3700 fps at book recipes. With a 120gr, 3000 fps is doable with several powders, again at book recipes. The 270W using 90gr hp, max book is barely over 3500 fps. With 130s, 3100fps but at 2k higher pressure. With 150s it's pedestrian. There isn't any magic in the 270 Win. You might wanna take a look at Barnes data. 110 Barnes in a 24” 270 will run 3500 fps, 95s over 3600 and 85s over 3800. That 110 at 3500 from a 270 will make a 257 Weatherby obsolete. Well there you have it.
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Alot of people don't even think of a 270 because it's not the sharp shouldered, tactical, cool cartridge. It's a classic. And really only those who've ever dumped powder into a 270 case can really appreciate it for what it is. I mean, the dang thing can handle 60 grains of powder give or take and get a deer/elk sized bullet absolutely moving. I've always been on the wildcat crowd and 30-06 user until I bought that O'Conner tribute, then I realized it could become a monster. Problem is, I'm a synthetic/stainless guy and just couldn't justify dragging that rifle around.
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[quote=JMR40]Tikka for the rifle. But in 2024 I'd pass on a 270 and get a 6.5 CM or 7-08
[quote]The 270 is fading fast and in another 10 years it may well be a handloaders only cartridge./quote]
Just when you think you have heard it all.
If that were the case the 280 would have been dead 40+ years ago. Isn't the 270 in ammo sales number 2, right behind the 308?
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[quote=JMR40]Tikka for the rifle. But in 2024 I'd pass on a 270 and get a 6.5 CM or 7-08
[quote]The 270 is fading fast and in another 10 years it may well be a handloaders only cartridge./quote]
Just when you think you have heard it all.
If that were the case the 280 would have been dead 40+ years ago. Tall tale thread.....
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Back to the 270, even if a guy wanted to launch a 90 or 100 grainer in it, it's still blowing by a 25. Not if you are loading them to the same pressure. The 25-06 with the 75gr hp, (lightest regular cup and core) using IMR4064 will hit 3700 fps at book recipes. With a 120gr, 3000 fps is doable with several powders, again at book recipes. The 270W using 90gr hp, max book is barely over 3500 fps. With 130s, 3100fps but at 2k higher pressure. With 150s it's pedestrian. There isn't any magic in the 270 Win. You might wanna take a look at Barnes data. 110 Barnes in a 24” 270 will run 3500 fps, 95s over 3600 and 85s over 3800. That 110 at 3500 from a 270 will make a 257 Weatherby obsolete. Well there you have it. And the 80gr ttsx will do 3800 out of a 25-06. What's your point? Cherry picking to make your point?
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. I'm the real heathen here. I just used a M700 ADL 270 for a donor for a 280AI build.
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. I'm the real heathen here. I just used a M700 ADL 270 for a donor for a 280AI build. I did too lol. No kidding! Standard 280 though
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Thanks all. Lots to think about but it is definitely going to be a 270 in some shape or form.
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A few years ago, I had everything but a 270, though I’ve had some farther back. Now I’ve got a 1st Gen stainless 700 Mtn in a Ti stock, a stainless M70 sporter that I bought to rechber/rebore and whacked to 18” and threaded to play with my suppressors in the mean time. That was a mistake, as it shoots too good to give me any fuzzies about changing it from a 270. So what do you do? Well, picked up another identical stainless M70 sporter today in….270. Promising myself I won’t shoot it before it becomes a 9.3. Maybe I can keep that promise.
Point is, keep an eye out for good, used M70s or 700s. They come along in twos and threes, after the drought.
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Point is, keep an eye out for good, used M70s or 700s. They come along in twos and threes, after the drought. That's a darned fact!
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I’ve had several 25-06 the 270 is by far superior
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I’ve had several 25-06 the 270 is by far superior Have had several of each and on whitetails around here I never could tell a nickles difference. Both killed deer dead and that death was pretty much always instant. 100 or 117 grain Gamekings in the 25 and 130 or 150 Gamkekings in the 270. Generally under 100 yards in my area. Uncle has used 117 SP Interlock or SST in his since '78 and very few deer ever make a track after being shot. The .27 may have an advantage on elk with a 150 but something tells me a 115 Partition would work just about the same if shots were identical.
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Keep looking. I just scored a G prefix M700 SPS in 270 for $405+tax. I will have to dump the tupperware stock for something better. It is my first 270!
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As much as I’ve always loved the 25-06 as a deer/coyote round, even with a fast twist and heavy bullets it’s not gonna be all that a 270 can be. Low recoil and fast and light are where the 25 shines, but if we stay as they come off the rack, there’s a lot to be said for a 150gr 270 vs a 117gr 25 on bigger stuff or hard angles. If you want to go fast twist and heavies, the 270 is far closer to the 280 than the 25-06 is to the 270.
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