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Down toward the bottom it says that the most jail time she can get is 18 months. That's not much for getting a person killed.

She was a DEI hire in the first. The real guilt was above her.

+1

No matter who hired her, her job description included making sure all guns were safe. She failed to do her job. There's fault at all levels in this one but that gun should never have got beyond her. Her only defense would be if it went around her and she never saw it. I don't know if that happened or not.

She is obviously guilty. Who knows what the jury will say. I wonder if she is in court with her electric blue and yellow hair and the nose rings.
Bet she got cleaned up.

Not DEI, nepotism.

Her father a somewhat famous competitive shooter that shot alongside Jeff Cooper and Jack Weaver. He was a well known armorer and stunt guy in Hollywood as well.

She’s simply a raging dumbazz that rode her pops coat tails waaaaay past where she had any business.

Obviously, she did not do her job. I don't know, but doubt there were underlings about that would allow one to delegate blame. She's primarily responsible for most of the issue, but everyone handling the arm should share some fault.

I happen to be a Hunter Ed instructor, and we do at least a double check of every firearm entering the classroom before students arrive. If/when there's a need to go to a trigger, there is an additional look. When handed an arm, any student that does not do a check gets an additional chewing out.

Not DEI, nepotism.

Her father a somewhat famous competitive shooter that shot alongside Jeff Cooper and Jack Weaver. He was a well known armorer and stunt guy in Hollywood as well.

She’s simply a raging dumbazz that rode her pops coat tails waaaaay past where she had any business.[/quote]

THIS is the truth. Regardless of the outcome, her "career" as an armorer is over.

If I lived in that area of New Mexico, I'd attend that trial. I'd be curious as to what the witnesses testify and how Gutierrez Reed testifys. Too far away to attend, I'm afraid.

L.W.

Personally, from only ‘knowing’ what news articles tell me I think she needs fired for not doing her job, but don’t feel the involuntary manslaughter charge is proper. If how NM laws are worded support the charge then rock on I guess, but I don’t see it happening.

Put Baldwin in jail for the appropriate time, fire Gutierrez-Reed for incompetence and go on to the next case.

Yes, she had her head up her ass. But, where did the live ammo come from and who loaded the gun ?

That’d be for the attorneys to argue and the jury to decide, I guess.

If Gutierrez-Reed was whom put the live rounds in the gun, then I could see the involuntary manslaughter charges sticking, right alongside Baldwin. If she just didn’t check the gun or if the gun came onto the set without her knowing, then not. That’ll be for the investigation, juror and attorney mess to decipher.

Damnitalltohell,

someone on here's trying to make sense.


We just wanna see a hangin'.

You beat me to it by 2 minutes.

For the life of me I can't remember the source, but there was once a rumor that staff loaded up the handgun on site and went out for an evening jackrabbit shoot. Not heard such supported since.

Looks like a mature professionally minded firearm expert to me.

So what if she was up all night getting drunk and coked up… Accidents happen.

Yeah, I'm guessing she didn't show up at court looking like that.....

I heard something to that effect also. IDK if it was rabbit hunting or just casual plinking but it seemed crazy that prop guns would be used with live ammo between sets.

Who would have thought a purple haired drug addict would make a bad choice for an Armorer?

She is groovy. What's your problem? So what if she was not on the set at the moment that some tech assistant handed Baldwin the pistol and said "It is clean."

Do you expect her to be on the set when her abilities are required? Don't be an employment Nazi, this gal is groovy!

I’m open minded on it. I’m not sure if Baldwin as the head honcho, the insurance carrier or other entity was involved in making the rules for that facet of the on site work, or enforcement of such.

Nearly everyone there”outranked” the young lady, obviously someone had been handling the gun before the incident. Who gave said person the gun, or did they take it without her consent? Or with?

Who brought the gun to Baldwin before he shot the gal? Obviously that person didn’t check it nor did Baldwin. I’d want to know exactly who the 4 people were who touched that weapon before the killing, at this point we only know one.

In the end Baldwin was the big dog, he should have checked the weapon. It was a practice run, there was no reason for live ammo of any sort to be near the gun at that point blanks included.
He is as culpable as anyone. Didn’t pull the trigger my azz.

Osky

I recall reading that on breaks, staff would "plink" at cans etc with that handgun loaded with live ammunition. If I understand set protocol, there should be no live ammunition on set, and the handgun is only for filming purposes. Two mistakes made by the armorer.

That being said, everyone who touched that handgun between the armorer and Baldwin shares culpability. Always assume a gun handed to you is loaded. You must check yourself, not assume it is unloaded or accept the word of the person handing the firearm to you that it is unloaded and safe. You must check. Everytime.

Baldwin is most culpable. He did not check the firearm himself, plus he pointed it at the cinematographer, killing her when he pulled the trigger. Again, reading about the case, you never point the gun at the camera. There is a slight of hand that makes it look like the gun is pointed at the camera. Also, I believe the cinematographer and director should have been standing behind a protective plexiglass screen.

Baldwin and the other producers were filming on a shoestring budget. It would appear that shortcuts were taken to save money.

Anybody who looks at that and say "Oh hell yes, let's hand it all the set guns & make it firearm safety czar" deserves whatever they get.

My point exactly. And all these fugking jugheads start talking about nepotism. A PURPLE HAIRED DRUG ADDICT WAS A VERY BAD CHOICE.

I think some people need to be subjected to a lie detector.

LOL. True.

I recall at the time it was reported she was not allowed on set due to Covid restrictions imposed by somebody. Can’t do your job if you’re not allowed to be there. Who made that decision?

If you think these clowns in charge of the rust movie were thinking about her old man. I got a bridge I wanna sell you. If they did think about him, It was only to shove a thumb in his and every other gun person's eye. But, it backfired on them.

Maybe she did her hired job perfectly. IIRC there was some stuff going around about the gal that died making a movie to expose peoples wrongs on something...

I still ask, "Who in the hell put that live round in the gun?" I'm not gonna say it's the girl's fault just yet because not one damn one of us has all the details. It may come to past that we will never know the truth of the matter.
PJ

When stuff like this happens, it’s not just one thing that happened, it’s a whole procession of events leading up to the death. Any single one of these folks could have broken that chain of events if they had simply done their jobs and honored the safety protocols. All of them are guilty of killing that cinematographer and injuring that other guy.

She would get less were she an illegal border crosser (cartel member) who had beaten a cop to death.

Are you thinking of the story that a whole bunch of the crew were recently hired scabs (substitutes)?

Very lax control of guns and ammo. She was criminally sloppy. There seems to be evidence of people plinking with her guns. That means real, lethal bullets. The Covid protocols did force some unathourized hand offs to non trained personnel. Still no excuse. She was the loose cannon! But they are after Baldwin....

Baldwin aimed the weapon and pulled the trigger and it wasn’t during filming.

He was also the boss. The kook is negligent and there shouldn’t have been live ammo on the set for any of the movie guns.

Bingo!

Guess she elected to do away with the purple hair for court. Just "keepin' it real" and "being true to myself" and all that.... Truly, just an everyday young professional business woman.

If the armorer knew what they were doing and did the job right, there would be no doubt.

The armorer inspects and loads the gun with what the script calls for, reviews the usage of the gun in that particular scene, and hands the gun to the actor, telling them what condition the gun is in, and offers technical support before the scene is filmed, then take immediate possession of the gun again, after the scene and clears the weapon.

In NO scenario does a competent armorer just roll out a cart of guns and ammo and walk away, to leave Hollywood idiots to do their own firearm handling with a scene.

Bingo!

Thank you DaveR. Her lawyer told her, "That electric blue hair and nose rings, which make you so groovy in Los Angeles, will not play well in front of a New Mexico jury."

I read that the first assistant director who actually handed the gun to Baldwin [strictly against protocol] got a plea bargain. Hannah Reed was not even there the day of the shooting. Lots of theories abound about this killing. Directors next movie about child trafficking. Guess who was a frequent flyer on the Lolita express. Her husbands investigation into Clinton family.

If the armorer wasn't there the day of the shooting how can she be held accountable for it? I understand her responsibility is the firearms but who the hell decided to take over her duties?

I'm pretty sure she was on the location. Just not in the place they were filming.

This video was minutes after the shooting.

I agree with finding all the details before passing judgment on HER - BUT ....would anyone in their right mind not check a weapon with this chick being the armorer? Especially with all the complaints and known uses of live rounds?

To me the bigger point is why did anyone point a gun and pull the trigger at anyone- EVER? Common sense practices in the film industry says no, which means even Hollywood idiots are told to know better. Baldwin was producer and executioner first and foremost in my mind.

Wow.

That was less than a favorable impression. She seems like she cares more about her personal embarrassment than she does the dead woman.

I have no idea how the film industry works or who bears most of the blame but she didn’t do herself any favors with her demeanor.

Her job was to be front and center when guns were being handled. Yet she was not present.
As producer, it was Alec's job to insure that she was on the set, before guns were handled.

Sounds like a bunch of admissions of responsibility for the death.

Ensure.

Alec is a dumbass too.

His first job, as producer would have been to hire a competent armorer for the movie. Not some freaky chick who would work for cheap just to get the movie credit.

When you cut corners and safety measures, bad things happen.

Yeah, he could certainly be found civilly liable for hiring an incompetent.

Can anyone answer a question, what type/style of handgun was involved? Western, I automatically think single action, but??? If so, not only did jackass not pull the trigger, didn’t back the hammer either I suppose.

I'm sure it was a Colt SAA replica, like a Uberti or similar brand.

He cocked it, and triggered it. There's no doubt of that. That's the only way one will fire. (Despite what he says)

I think I heard it was a Pietta, but either way, you are correct. a Single Action Army or clone cannot fire without the hammer cocked and the trigger pulled, short of a massively damaged hammer sear, which was not shown to be the case.

He clearly lied about not pulling the trigger. It was his first reflexive defensive measure against being held responsible. He should have said, "Yes, I pulled the trigger, but the gun wasn't supposed to have real ammo in it."

Good job Hawkeye. It is not often I get busted for incorrect word usage.

It was a Pietta. I have the same gun, mine is a muzzleloader. Very well made Italian replica. Sorry, Alec, it won't fire unless you pull the trigger.

The fact she is a dumbass that has no business performing the duty she was hired for she apparently didn’t load and hand him the gun. No doubt the entire production crew has to share responsibility for this incident. A person is dead because of gross negligence. I cannot escape the fact that literally millions of rounds are fired in movie scenes safely but this instance was a prescription for disaster. If you’re prepared to hang her I’d consider hanging the whole lot of them Baldwin first. The horses ass has fired many weapons in films and damned well knew better or at least should’ve.

Kudos to you for not being sensitive about a correction.

When firearms are used on set, it boils down to 3 people.

1) The producer who hired an incompetent armorer.

2) The incompetent armorer herself. She accepted that responsibility, and should have understood it.

3) The idiot who pulled the trigger without KNOWING what was loaded, or what was going to happen.

The other crew, while they may have handled the guns and ammo, are not really culpable, since they should never have been allowed to do in any instance. Refer back to list above.

Yes, she cleaned up.
The trial is being live streamed by Court TV, according to the Albuquerque Journal. They had her pic in this morning's paper.
Both courttv.com, and their Youtube Channel.

I won't attend, it's going to be a circus, and poor parking arrangements in that part of town.
The courtroom will be packed, reports estimate 88 journalists expected to attend.

Maybe they were all just hung-over from drinking,
Toking and snorting.

I'm thinking maybe a little diversity hiring was involved here as well.

She’s fugged. I don’t think even her daddy could get her another job in Hollywood.

Hell, if she’s a felon, her entire shot at a career in firearms is gonna go up in smoke.

I’ll throw out that she’ll be criminally negligent and found guilty. Alex and his production company need to be bankrupted with a civil suit.

Yep. She, the idiot Baldwin hired as the “Armorer”, and Baldwin, both as the Producer and shooter, are both responsible for the lady’s death.
Hope they both get the Maximum Sentence that NM Law allows.
But being in Santa Fe, the Libertard Schitthole that it is, it’s very doubtful Justice will be served.

On that particular filming that day there were no overhead booms, racing cars or other vehicles, chainsaws or other tools, pretty much one single potentially deadly item that at least two people we know of handled and nobody took two seconds to open and clear it? No doubt more people had hands on it that day.

In a lot of years of life like most of you I’ve seen a lot of guns cleared in front of people at gun shops, outdoors stores, private gatherings, hunting trips, etc and I have never seen an instance where the receiving person then pointed the gun at another person, nonetheless pulled the trigger.

Responsibility for this needless tragedy starts with Baldwin and works its way backwards.

Osky

Whenever I see a person who makes decisions resulting in them looking like her with the rainbow hair, tats, piercings, etc., I always assume they’re incapable of a good decision making process.
No need for folks like that in my life.

Of course. The COVID nonsense introduced some quarantine measures that confuse the issue for those easily confused. There are different kinds of prop ammo, maybe 3, but they all are easy to identify. The guns are never to be out of the armorer/prop master's control. She violated that basic rule and failed to verify all ammo herself. All the blame falls on her alone. She had just been fired from another set for safety violations, like firing a loud gun without notifying everyone. There were lethal rounds in the gun belt brought over from that set. There could have been intentional sabotage involved, but with all the carelessness with other live fire it's hard to prove. People want to crucify Baldwin for his unrelated sins, or personality. Problem is, he was only a "producer" in name only to give the film a promotional boost. In fact the entire production outfit was out of Georgia. None of the Producers did anything more than put up money. Georgia hired the girl and bear all liability - legally. But lawfare creates crimes of convenience these days, as we are seeing so often. And there is the feminist angle in a left wing jurisdiction. How to let her off and get Baldwin is the challenge.

Problem is most Hollywood people are not into guns. Most of the people on the campfire are probably like me. If a gun is handed to me, first thing I do is check to see if it is loaded. I remember reading during the first year or two of Blue Blood that Tom Selleck chewed someone out for unsafe gun handling. It did not say if it was another cast member or prop person or what they were doing.

You have a partial grip of the situation that occurred, but nowhere near a comprehensive understanding of how the movie industry works, or the various positions and duties within that industry, and an especially a weak understanding of the jobs and responsibilities on the set of a movie where filming is happening.

Covid doesn't confuse the issue nearly as bad as you do.

You should see the crazy looking people who are being hired nowadays to teach children in public schools. It's become a freak show.

It is a liberal. What did you expect?

The most likely person to have put a live round in the chamber is the evil scum who pulled the trigger.

The rounds in the revolver were supposed to be blanks? Then pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger was dangerous at close range.

Why were any rounds in the revolver?

Were there any fingerprints on the gun or the rounds in the gun?

nypost.com

‘Rust’ armorer posed with live rounds in box of blanks on set, jurors hear as trial opens
By Social Links forPriscilla DeGregory
Published Feb. 22, 2024, 4:01 p.m. ET


Damning evidence kicked off the involuntary manslaughter trial against “Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed Thursday, as jurors reviewed photos of live rounds found on the set.

Special prosecutor Jason Lewis said investigators combed through movie set photos, determining there were six live rounds that circulated the set of the Alec Baldwin-starred western movie — including one displayed in a photo that Gutierrez-Reed took of herself at work.

“There is a live round sitting right on Ms. Gutierrez’s lap and she failed to identify it,” Lewis told the 12 jurors as they were shown the image.

Lewis went on to spell out how Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged negligence and failure to follow standard safety protocols led to the tragic Oct. 21, 2021 shooting of Halyna Hutchins — a Ukrainian-born wife and mother.



Lewis also showed the jury photos of the rounds that cops removed from the set — one of the 37 rounds had a silver bottom, an indication it was a real bullet, he explained.



The fact that not one — but six — live rounds has allegedly made their way onto the set and had been circulating, with one landing in Baldwin’s ammunition bandolier and another ending up in a second actor’s bandolier, “is incomprehensible” when taken against the stringent movie set safety standards, Lewis argued.

“The defendant treated the safety protocols as if they were optional,” Lewis said, noting Gutierrez-Reed, 26, failed to take out and inspect each of the six rounds inside the gun — which was real and not a prop — and that was only supposed to be holding dummy rounds.

“Instead, she cracked open the gun and partially spun the cylinder,” before handing the firearm off to first assistant director David Halls, who then gave it to Baldwin, Lewis claimed.

The brand new gun, made to look like gun from an old western, contained a .45 bullet that killed Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza.

The rookie armorer — who’d only ever held the position one other time — then walked out of the church on the set of the western film that was being shot at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, Lewis described.

Baldwin — who has also been charged with involuntary manslaughter in a separate case — was sitting on a pew bench inside a church rehearsing for an upcoming scene when he held and “manipulated” the gun causing it to fire off a live round that “shot completely through Ms. Hutchins” before landing in Souza’s shoulder, Lewis told jurors.

The onset paramedic attended to the two injured crew members while they waited for emergency responders to reach the remote desert location. After, Hutchins was eventually taken to the hospital by helicopter but she was not able to be revived, Lewis said.

The prosecutor called Gutierrez-Reed — who was 24 at the time — “sloppy” and “unprofessional” and said she “treated the safety protocols as if they were optional.”

She is charged with involuntary manslaughter and tampering with evidence for allegedly handing off a bag of cocaine to a friend just after she was interviewed by law enforcement.

It's really hard to believe that with her father being who he is, that she would be so careless. Unless that the entire set was so hap-hazard that they didn't really have her in charge of anything except in title only...

Phil

Wonder if anyone ever really checked up on the victim... born in '79 and no apparent U.S. history until after 2006, she was Ukrainian but raised in Murmansk and whose father was in the Russian Navy. She was schooled and trained in Russia as an investigative journalist. Not a whole lot about her doing a search. Apparently working for a Ukrainian film maker in 2015. Hell, she might have been some kind of hidden Russian asset. Maybe one of Putin's need to get rid of people.

Phil

Guess I’ll throw away all my ammo with Remington primers since isn’t real ammo and only those shells wirh CCI and Winchester primers are live rounds. lol

To you who hope a civil suit lands in Baldwin's lap, he already paid the husband of Halyna.

"She is charged with involuntary manslaughter and tampering with evidence for allegedly handing off a bag of cocaine to a friend just after she was interviewed by law enforcement."

What a classy act. She looked like she was stoned in that video rockinbar posted.

Before this incident Baldwin had a net worth of $63 million. He settled the civil case out of court with the husband of the lady he shot, it was reportedly for $15 million. No doubt Baldwin had a big insurance policy. Let's say his insurance paid $5 million, if Alec had to write a check for $10 million he is still doing OK financially.

If the armorer is convicted and put in prison, will that satisfy the DA, and will she give Baldwin a pass in criminal court?
If the armorer is acquitted, will the DA be even more determined to get a conviction on Baldwin?

You never participated in the filming of a movie either. Obviously you know nothing about anything pertinent to the incident or common practice inside the industry. Go fly a jet.

Sounds lie he knows more than you do... LOL

I don't see anyone going to prison over this. Someone died due to incompetence. That's usually a civil matter.