Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles LPVO or red dot for general purpose and SHTF truck gun

A good LPVO is quite a bit better in low light.

Enough to matter in my opinion.

I guess it all depends on where your truck is. Middle of no where WY or MT, definitely would want a low power variable. More urban settings, I want a holograph/red dot.
My current SBR has a Holosun 510 with a 2MOA dot and 65MOA circle. For up close, put the target in the circle and pull the trigger.

Lotta truth to that.

The AR I use the the most these days has a 3-9x on it. I do wish it went lower on the power though

I’ve used a Steiner P4xi and they’re very good.

The Accupoints have excellent glass and I’d like to try a red triangle 1-4 on a patrol gun.

I have a Credo (HX?) 1-6 with the Hunter BDC reticle and IMO they’re the real sleeper in the LPVO market. Excellent glass, daylight bright, and drop proof.

I also have an Eotech Vudu 1-8 that’s excellent.

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FFP in a 1-4 or 1-6 are dumb and dear useless for close stuff.

At 1-8 I’d consider FFP depending on the reticle and availability of an offset dot.

I’ve got the same Credo HX 1-6 with BDC and it is my favorite LPVO does everything one could ask of a 1-6 in a GP carbine. The 1-4 Accupoint should be a darling out to 300 yards.

But I still favor my red dots for SHTF truck gun. More specific my 11.5” Colt with my H2 Aimpoint on it. But when I think of truck gun, that’s one that lives in the truck for emergencies and has the cheaper Romeo5 on it. My Colt/H2 stays locked up in my safe.

Everyone has their likes & preferences, but for me, I want versatility in a SHTF truck gun, so I want either a 14.5" or a 16" rifle with an LVPO.

There is really only one scenario that a red dot / holo sight does things better than the scope & that is up close & the scope is nearly as good, at least for me.

All other scenarios, the scope has a pretty distinct advantge............but that's just my thinking.

Like I said, everyone has preferences & that's why there are options.

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Nice, clean 91.

Shot mine awhile with a Z4 in a claw mount, but switched to a SWFA 1-4x on B&T rail. Got a trigger pack from Bill Springfield. Added a cheek riser.

Load 155 gr SMKs and get at or just over 1" at 100 yds. Ball is more like 2-3". Local range goes out to 400m for steel or paper. That's alot farther than we can shoot deer, ME cover such as it is.

For those with a DOT - you all basically in a PA/Aimpoint thought or any love for EOTECH?

If the conversation is drifting towards what would I leave in my truck. My buddy brought me a bunch of PSA parts with some cheap upper they make, an anderson lower IIRc and we put together a lower and the gun for him, I have no idea what he paid for the parts, but he is a thrifty man, we have shot it twice now and it works fine, I steered him towards slip 2000 and he keeps it well lubed. He has some cheap LPVO scope on it from somewhere. To me a truck gun would be something like that, if someone steals it your not out a lot of money, now you have me thinking about a project like this, me I would get a barrel with a FSB and put a carry handle on the gun, deja vu, and out to one hundred for me at least you would be good to go.

https://midwestindustriesinc.com/mi-ar15-m16-carry-handle/

I am going to add a question, what type of SHTF do you think might happen.

I love the idea of an EOTech but battery life or lack of, kills it for me. I’ve tried a half a dozen or more and always go back to Aimpoint.

Saw yesterday that PSA or Primary Arms had the Sig Romeo5 on sale for $109.

Same here. Anything with a kill switch is out of consideration. And I can't make the EO bright enough for looking into bright sunlight.

Feel same re motion activators - why I prefer the Romeo MSR over the newer Romeo 5. PSA has the MSR at $80 just now. Have one on a 9mm Response, just trying it out. Everything else has Aimpoints, various models.

A side note... We never had issues dumping full mags on a body silhoutte with irons to 600, so optics make life easer all around and any optic on a body target should work pretty good way beyond most folks needs.

Again if you are head shooting prairie dogs and such its different. I get that. OTOH I've killed more than a few deer scaring the heck out of 600 with irons on an AR15.

^This.

I have both, and I use both and I like both.

There are some guns that I have earmarked for certain things. Like, HD. Those all have dots of some kind or another. I'm a bigger fan of the eotech style circle dot reticle because my eye picks up on it faster than just a little small 1 or 2 moa dot.

For any gun that I would likely be using outside and at more distances, I have 1-4, 1-5, and 1-6x scopes. Many of them also have a larger outer ring around the bullseye reticle like the bushnell Circle X. Which still is faster for me to pick up.

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We have a steel range out to 1000 yards and after awhile shooting that far gets frankly, either boring or aggravating depending on the wind.
At 400 yards we have a dueling tree, at 300 we have a 1/2 size silhouette, 200 we have 7" plates. We find it more enjoyable to grab a carbine and shoot red dots and irons out to 300 yards and while frustrating, 400 is doable but much easier with a LPVO. Shooting out to 300 gave me lots of respect for a red dot.

Trijicon MRO on my 14.5" BCM. Zero issues with the MRO. My range runs to 300 yards and that set-up is very effective near or far. I have another rifle set up with a Leupold Mark AR Mod-1 1.5-4x green illuminated dot. The LPVO is good, it is effective. On small targets at over 200 yards it is probably the better option. But I really like the smaller profile lighter weight MRO best. They each have a place.

If your rifle may be used as a people shooter outdoors positive target ID is mandatory. Many folks can get hits on mansized targets at 300 yards w/ irons or a red dot but you won't be able to see their hands or what those hands hold w/out magnification. Taking target discrimination out of the equation makes life easier.



mike r

Exactly. Dots are fine for people. Magnification is for finding the right people, and then shooting only certain pieces of them.

Good thread

Blue,

I'm so stealing this line.

Yeah. I wish I had said that



mike r